Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
That's how I understand the fourth dimension. If one could infinitely and simultaneously access all time, 15 billion years seems limiting, wouldn't you say?
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What came before the Big Bang?
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That's how I understand the fourth dimension. If one could infinitely and simultaneously access all time, 15 billion years seems limiting, wouldn't you say?
The Wizard
Active Member
There is a link to everything and time... everything that exists. Did the Big Bang create space or was it here before the Bang? Does space shrink on the collapse until there is nothing?
My guess is that the whole "something out of nothing" is due to LACK of advanced science and discoveries to measure, detect and go beyond the quark or quantum fields. Even if I were an arrogant one I would not claim that it all ends here at the quantum level and that there not the next level or things to be discovered. I'd say it is more like "something coming out of nothing we can understand or detect yet".
A thing cannot exist and not exist. This is called transformations, changing states... behavior not detected or identified yet. Things do not magically pop out of nothing or go in and out of existence as you state... But, that's just my opinion...
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The Wizard
Active Member
I thought about that once. I arrived to the conclusion that at 4rth or 5th our normal 3rd would look similar to a 2 dimension or cartoon...
outhouse
Atheistically
We are only talking about the facts regarding space time, and they are not up for debate. The math is perfect.
Yes the BB factually created space, and it is still expanding.
We don't know what exist outside our universe but it is not our space time.
Why mention collapse? so far there is no evidence it ever will. Probability say sit wont.
The Wizard
Active Member
See, so time is a measurement of space as well.... a measurement of the Big Bang Creation like I mentioned. So, I'm lost on whatever point...
Why mention a collapse? Well, most things are cyclical. We had a bang for a reason. What other possible reason would a bang exist? I can't think of any.
edit: Except for the "white hole" theory mentioned on the following video. But, woa, that's getting really exotic for myself...
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Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
[youtube]39qmbl7mpJQ[/youtube]
From Universe to Multiverse - YouTube
From Universe to Multiverse - YouTube
outhouse
Atheistically
No
Space is time. They are connected as one.
Black hole exploding? who knows? we don't.
But ive never seen a firecracker or any other explosion, fall back in on itself.
The fact this universe is expanding at a faster rate, kind of throws cold water on your hypothesis
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Galactus. According to Marvel Comics, Galactus is the only sole survivor of the Big Crunch which preceded the Big Bang. Considering the truthfulness of Marvel it is safe to assume their information is right.
Galactus - What Came before the Universe
Galactus - What Came before the Universe
swamplizard
Human
Existence.
best,
swampy
best,
swampy
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Has this incredibly insightful statement been ignored throughout this whole thread?
swamplizard
Human
There has always been existence and always will be, else there is nothing to emerge from and nothing to evolve into, erasing now.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The vast majority of cosmologists that I have read do believe that there were preconditions before the BB, however time move extremely slowly as compared to today because of the immense mass of our minute universe (mathematical models have our entire universe being roughly the size of a present-day atom). So, if one reads "time began at the BB", realize that this is a reference in a comparison with time today.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
there is no basis in physics that allows us to place any meaning or conclusion as to what was before the big bang.
outhouse
Atheistically
The real point is the material that made up the material in the universe did exist prior to the BB. When and where is the question.
It is the term "nothing" that is being deabted. As it turns out "nothing" is something.
One hypothesis is that a massive black hole could have exploded. It cannot be discounted, and it should be investigated.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I didn't see that in the OP.
outhouse
Atheistically
What came before the big bang?.
What matters is what we really know about the singularity and the possibilities.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
I think this guy has some answers. There is 4, one hour-ish, videos.This is the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji8yXFwYxBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji8yXFwYxBg
swamplizard
Human
Greetings SandyW,
One does not need to define what was in order to know that existence must precede an event.
best,
swampy
How do we know existing isn't the default?