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What came before the Big Bang?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Such a nattering idiot. This forum really should moderate for posting quality.
Did you say moderate?...and personal attacks are against the rules are they not?
Turn yourself in.
Enai de a lukal
Well-Known Member
(Accurate) personal comments do not lower the overall quality of posting on this site half as much as your repetitive, vacuous gibberish does. It was just wishful thinking on my part anyways, they will clearly never moderate for posting quality (for which you are very thankful), so I'll just leave it at that. If only, sigh.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I was answer someone else on page 38.....but here you go.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
So Substance came first, and spirit was a consequence, I like that.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So NOW your reasoning turns to what you like?
(you did read the entire quote...right?)
godnotgod
Thou art That
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Now we might be getting somewhere....have you considered?
Let there be light....is synonymous to...'I AM!'
godnotgod
Thou art That
No. I don't see that they are related. The first statement has to do with the Creation of the world as told in Genesis, while the latter has to do with the divine nature of Jesus.
But what does that have to do with either the topic of the BB, or with Vivikenanda's statement that the universe is the Absolute?
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
lol what i like that is what it was. Man was formed and then breathe was given.
Substance then spirit.
godnotgod
Thou art That
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viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.
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ˈabsəˌlo͞ot,ˌabsəˈlo͞ot/
adjective
1.
not qualified or diminished in any way; total.
"absolute secrecy"
synonyms: complete, total, utter, out-and-out, outright, entire, perfect, pure, decided;
2.
viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.
"absolute moral standards"
synonyms: universal, fixed, independent, nonrelative, nonvariable, absolutist
nounPHILOSOPHY
noun: absolute; plural noun: absolutes
1.
a value or principle that is regarded as universally valid or that may be viewed without relation to other things.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
I read it as....God created Man....Spirit First.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Nope.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Enai de a lukal
Well-Known Member
If we can, then we could just as safely say that the universe is, in fact, Potatoes, because this is no less and no more informative than slapping some vague metaphysical label like "absolute" on it. Your formulation (or Viveknanda's) is vacuous and uninformative.
godnotgod
Thou art That
The dictionary defines 'universal' as being 'absolute'; 'absolute' meaning 'everything' to which there is nothing to compare it to.
'potatoes' is relative.
In what sense is the universe not absolute?..that is to say, not everything?
See post #972.
Enai de a lukal
Well-Known Member
I'm not saying its necessarily false, its that it tells us next to nothing we didn't know already, and so its hardly some startling revelation.
The universe needs 2 qualifiers to be the absolute. It has to be the only universe in existence and it has to be it's own source.