What climate action to people favor or be willing to accept?

[setarcos]

The "reprogramming" would also have to include the reality that climate change is just one of many symptoms of ecological overshoot, and that we human mammals cannot flourish on an Earth without flourishing ecosystems and the millions of species we share the planet with. We would have to be reprogrammed to prioritize the natural world, and to understand true wealth is flourishing natural communities.

All the "climate solutions" being peddled these days will make ecological overshoot worse and thus are no solutions at all. So perhaps the first step in this reprogramming would require people being willing to see that.

All of this is extremely unlikely to happen, which means that it's likely we'll continue degrading the carrying capacity of Earth and eventually human populations will crash, along with all the other species that are crashing now. I've read that some scientists believe it will require 10 to 20 million years for the Earth to recover from our rapaciousness and destruction. Whatever the length of time, it will need to be enough time for the microplastics and forever chemicals and nuclear waste and the other detritus of human civilization to be captured in a layer of rock deep underground for future anthropologists, if there are any, to discover.

Yes ma'am I agree. However you slice up the pie we'd have to start with a fundamental reprogramming of how people have come to view their relationships to each other and the natural world.
We're doomed in my opinion. The rich don't want to give up their material accumulations and status and the poor want what the rich have and in between are a meager few who see both ideologies as unsustainably doomed. Not too many people anymore are just satisfied with having just "enough". They want more. I find myself wanting more at times but I'm not proud of it.
It may take a few generations yet but were coming up on the finish line.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Every time there is disastrously bad weather, we are treated to saturation coverage about “Global Warming“ or “climate change.“ There are graphic descriptions of fires, mudslides, heat waves, and wind, storms, including hurricanes, and tornadoes. There are calls for “action” to prevent further disasters. In this thread, I am putting to one side question of whether what we are experiencing is worse there in the past or not. I am also avoiding the question as to whether or not there actually is man-made climate change. I am pretty certain that the human race is actually putting yourself in harms way.

Last spring, people ranged from hysterical to mildly upset about gasoline that was between five dollars per gallon at six dollars per gallon.

What I do want to hear are people’s suggestions for what we need to change in order to preserve the planet for future generations. What technology are we willing to give up? How we are willing to change our dwellings? Whether we are willing to give a vacation homes or frequent long-distance travel? Are we willing to give up meat consumption?

I would like to hear peoples views on this.

That would require a superior green technology.

Only one I can think of is nuclear at present.

 

[jbg]

That would require a superior green technology.

Only one I can think of is nuclear at present.

Unicorn flatulence?

 

[Valjean]

What exactly do these "glue artists" want society to do? At what cost? And to accomplish what?

Take steps to prevent a 6th mass extinction

So if humans are an evolutionary mistake should we all do a mass "die-in" for the benefit of "all the species we share this planet with"?

We should restrain our natural proclivities, regulate ourselves, and save the planet.

 

[jbg]

Take steps to prevent a 6th mass extinction

We should restrain our natural proclivities, regulate ourselves, and save the planet.

Sounds more like hysteria than reason, with a dressing of respectability.

 

[Valjean]

Sounds more like hysteria than reason, with a dressing of respectability.

The German Jews said the same thing to their emigrating compatriots.

It's the conclusion of scientists in all relevant disciplines, all over the world. The science is pretty clear cut and available to any layman who cares to look.

 

[jbg]

The German Jews said the same thing to their emigrating compatriots.

It's the conclusion of scientists in all relevant disciplines, all over the world. The science is pretty clear cut and available to any layman who cares to look.

Godwin's Law? Also, there were actual persecutions going on. All that we have is a theory that maybe, perhaps, the severity of storms is increased by "climate change" even though there are no shortages of past:

1. Heat waves;
2. Devastating hurricanes;
3. Blizzards;
4. Warm winters;
5. Cold winters; and
6. Hot urban summers;

 

[Tinkerpeach]

What we need to do has very little to do with individual actions. These are (broadly) the things that need to be done:-
Creating a global moratorium against installing new coal power plants immediately.
Commitment on phasing out existing coal power plants without Carbon Capture in a 20 year time horizon.
Commitment of doing the same for natural gas power plants within a 40 year time horizon.
Funding for rapid development of EV/Hydrogen infrastructure coupled with commitment of phasing out all transportation petrol and diesel fuels that are not blended with at least 40% biofuels by 2040.
Commitment on 40% blending targets for aviation and shipping fuels with biofuels by 2040.
Creation of national and international disaster management funds to tackle damages caused by extreme weather events with the money coming through a global CO2 and CH4 emission tax that is directly taken from the oil/coal/natural gas producers. The tax amount will be progressively increased to account for the increased damage caused by additional units of emissions.
Emission tax on meat products and other Greenhouse Gas intensive agriculture practices.

Just to be clear. No individual will be forbidden to do anything. But certain choices will be costlier than other choices simply to account for the increased climate change related economic and environmental damage caused by them.

And one giant volcanic eruption offsets all of that in about a minute

 

[Tinkerpeach]

The best thing we can do is to prepare for it so it’s impact isn’t so severe.

We can minimize pollution but don’t fool yourself into thingking it will fix climate change.

All the ice is going to melt, the planets and oceans will heat up, species will go extinct.

This is a cyclical natural event that we have zero control over.

 

[jbg]

The best thing we can do is to prepare for it so it’s impact isn’t so severe.

We can minimize pollution but don’t fool yourself into thingking it will fix climate change.

All the ice is going to melt, the planets and oceans will heat up, species will go extinct.

This is a cyclical natural event that we have zero control over.

You mean the IPCC can't prevent that? </sarcasm>

 

[Valjean]

Godwin's Law? Also, there were actual persecutions going on. All that we have is a theory that maybe, perhaps, the severity of storms is increased by "climate change" even though there are no shortages of past:

1. Heat waves;
2. Devastating hurricanes;
3. Blizzards;
4. Warm winters;
5. Cold winters; and
6. Hot urban summers;

Read the entirety of the evidence. Look around you. See the changes. look at the rate of change Understand the mechanisms involved.

 

[jbg]

Read the entirety of the evidence. Look around you. See the changes. look at the rate of change Understand the mechanisms involved.

And look to see if the action we can take is purely symbolic and at great cost.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And one giant volcanic eruption offsets all of that in about a minute

Particularly that super volcano in Yellowstone.

 

[Valjean]

And look to see if the action we can take is purely symbolic and at great cost.

At the cost of maintaining the status quo; maintaining the industries and jobs contributing to the problem.
We need to look beyond the next few economic quarters, to the long term consequences.

Jobs and corporate profits will be of little concern if nothing larger than a cat survives on Earth.

 

[jbg]

At the cost of maintaining the status quo; maintaining the industries and jobs contributing to the problem.
We need to look beyond the next few economic quarters, to the long term consequences.

Jobs and corporate profits will be of little concern if nothing larger than a cat survives on Earth.

The problem is that we are proposing actions which are very costly, but of largely or entirely symbolic value. Feels good, accomplishes little or nothing.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The problem is that we are proposing actions which are very costly, but of largely or entirely symbolic value. Feels good, accomplishes little or nothing.

If we want to accomplish something, we need to take heed of G-d's guidance.

..and yes, in the short run, it is costly .. but in the long run, our grandchildren will inherit a
better world as opposed to catastrophe.

 

[metis]

The problem is that we are proposing actions which are very costly, but of largely or entirely symbolic value. Feels good, accomplishes little or nothing.

And so the climate scientists are wrong and you are right?

 

[Valjean]

The best thing we can do is to prepare for it so it’s impact isn’t so severe.

We can minimize pollution but don’t fool yourself into thingking it will fix climate change.

All the ice is going to melt, the planets and oceans will heat up, species will go extinct.

This is a cyclical natural event that we have zero control over.

Not cyclical. It's only happened a handful of times in the past, and, with the exception of the Chicxulub asteroid impact, it's never happened so fast as the current collapse. The current catastrophe is clearly human generated. The effects are tracking predictions and computer models -- based on human actions.

The impact might be a great deal more severe than most imagine. There's more to climate change than rising seas and more severe weather.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Not cyclical. It's only happened a handful of times in the past, and, with the exception of the Chicxulub asteroid impact, it's never happened so fast as the current collapse. The current catastrophe is clearly human generated. The effects are tracking predictions and computer models -- based on human actions.

The impact might be a great deal more severe than most imagine. There's more to climate change than rising seas and more severe weather.

Not cyclical. It's only happened a handful of times in the past, and, with the exception of the Chicxulub asteroid impact, it's never happened so fast as the current collapse. The current catastrophe is clearly human generated. The effects are tracking predictions and computer models -- based on human actions.

The impact might be a great deal more severe than most imagine. There's more to climate change than rising seas and more severe weather.

What you consider fast is irrelevant in a process that occurs over millions of years.

Regardless of that there is not a single scientist that claims it isn’t going to happen regardless of what we do unless you can somehow find a way to adjust the tilt of the earth to the sun.

The left simply want to punt the problem off to future generations to deal with instead of beginning the long road of prep work we are going to need to do in order to minimize the damage.

The greatest generation this one certainly isn’t

 

[Yerda]

The left simply want to punt the problem off to future generations to deal with instead of beginning the long road of prep work we are going to need to do in order to minimize the damage.

Yet the further left you look the more you find people are willing to do to adpat, mitigate and prepare.