The proposition does not state that intelligence requires creation.
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What created God?
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AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
The premise is that for intellegence to exist requires intelligence to create it, yes?
That is simply Creationism.
The premise is that the creation of intelligence requires intelligence.
Oh, good, there's no evidence of creation, therefore the premise that intelligence is required goes away!
McBell
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So now all that needs to be proven is what was and what was not created...
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
So how was my comment wrong then?
You contradict yourself...
One has to prove that intelligence requires an intelligent creator.
If this is true, then the "intelligence that created our intelligence" requires a creator itself, that the creator of the creation of our intelligence requires a creator, so on and so forth.
Bad, messy "logic". "The proposition does not state that intelligence requires creation."
Because your comment was not based on the premise.
That is not the premise.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
That is indeed what the argument boils down to.
I know you're trying to remove the "Creator" (your god Jehovah) from the mix, it's a common tactic of those that argue "Intelligent Design" as well.
And just as much as Phail too.
Sorry.
Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
The nights and days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that precedes the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the generations of the universe.
The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.
Origen, was a Christian writer and teacher who lived between the years of 185 and 254 AD. Among his many works is the Hexapla, which is his interpretation of the Old Testament texts. Origen holds to a series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.
The intelligence that has evolved from the very beginning continues to evolve through each physical universal cycle, and Just as “You,” The personality of godhead, or the Mind/spirit that develops in your physical body through the experiences and information taken in through the senses of that body, enters into the invisible spiritual fourth dimensional world that co-exists within this visible three dimensional world with the death of that body, so too does the supreme personality of Godhead that develops within the living universal body when that body descends into the seemingly bottomless pit, from which it will later be resurrected. And the Omega, that had developed in the previous universal body, which the Alpha had become, is the Alpha within the newly resurrected body, which will evolve to become the Omega in this cycle of universal activity.
He is the First and the Last, the Beginning and End, the Alpha and Omega, the Father and Son, but they are the one being in different positions in time. CONTINUED Post 152.
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No, it is not.
You, apparently, do not know what I am doing.
I will reiterate a few things I have already said in this thread.
This is not my premise.
I am not arguing the soundness of the premise.
I am arguing that the premise "The creation of intelligence requires intelligence" and "An eternal intelligence not created" are internally consistent, which they are. The premise does not necessitate a string of infinite intelligent creation.
A Black Hole is a massive system so centrally condensed that the force of gravity prevents everything within it, even light from escaping. But how many black holes are there scattered throughout the Cosmos and how much dark mass is hidden within those Black Holes? Nobody knows. Science is still coming to grips with Black Holes, which are believed to be at the centre of all galaxies, and Black Holes swallow everything that comes in contact with them.
Our Milky Way Galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a Super Black Hole, which has a mass of over three million suns, and around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Galaxy, orbits many other smaller Black Holes, which were once at the centre of other galactic bodies that have merged with ours.
The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor,) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way Galaxy, which orbits the Central Super Black Hole, to which those Magellanic Clouda are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy. The super Black Hole at the centre of our being, will continue to grow, as it devours the other lesser black holes, but our Galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward, but one of many Super, Super, Black Holes that are scattered throughout the cosmos.
For my own benefit I classify the Galactic clusters, as universes that are gathered and condensed into infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small centrally condensed systems, where they remain in a state of rest, gathering to themselves the energy that is being expending by the active universal cells within the eternal and boundless Cosmos, which is but the compilation of all the universal cells, in which an intellect evolves to become the supreme personality within those universal bodies.
When our sun, which has a diameter of about 1,392,000 KM, comes to the end of its life cycle as a star, it will expand out as a Red Giant, devouring the planets within its system, before collapsing into a white dwarf, glowing in the cloud, which is the small percentage of mass that it ejects in its collaspe. The White Dwarf would be only one hundredth the diameter of the sun as it is today, and one cup of the material of the White Dwarf would outweigh 24 elephants.
While a star that is some thirty times bigger than or sun, when it comes to the end of its life cycle, it will expand out as a super nova, blasting off a percentage of its mass to become a great nebula cloud, before the remaining mass is condensed into a Neutron Star with a radius of anywhere between 12 and 20 KM, and a mass of somewhere between 1.35, and 2.1 solar masses. Whereas, when a first generation star, which is but a small portion of the eternal and boundless Cosmos, implodes in upon itself, there remains nothing, but a Massive Black Hole, in which the centrally condensed system would ne no more than an infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity.
If space and time within this three dimensional world that is enclosed within the fourth dimension, had their beginnings in the Big Bang, which was the beginning of the evolution of the physical Universe, then the cause of the Universe would have had to have been an entity which operates in a different time dimension than that of the Cosmos, and which would have pre-existed the Big Bang.
God is the animating principle that pervades all that is and is all that is.The singularity in its eternal process of evolution. No oxymoron there old matey.
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