What Day was Jesus Crucified?

[fallingblood]

BELIEVING in God is not all that is required but DOING what he says !!! :yes:

Doing what he says according to you? To Smoky? Maybe to a Jew? Or a Muslim? Or maybe I can just do what I believe he wants me to do. There is more than one way to worship God.

 

[smokydot]

Why not admit the truth and just say that you don't have any rebuttals? It's as simple as that. There is no need to dodge, and be dishonest.

You're in drama mode again.

 

[fallingblood]

This is not offensive?

Your point being what?

 

[fallingblood]

You're in drama mode again.

Bob and weave. I'm sure you're getting tired chasing your tail by now.

 

[Beta]

Doing what he says according to you? To Smoky? Maybe to a Jew? Or a Muslim? Or maybe I can just do what I believe he wants me to do. There is more than one way to worship God.

Friend , I never claimed You or anyone else should think or do according to my understanding , never ! This is how YOU perceive the scriptures I quote. Are they MY ideas , did I write them ? No - Scripture is the Word of GOD which you refute hence your mistaken perception that they are my own words.
God does not want us to do what we think is right but WHAT HE SAYS IS RIGHT.

 

[fallingblood]

Friend , I never claimed You or anyone else should think or do according to my understanding , never ! This is how YOU perceive the scriptures I quote. Are they MY ideas , did I write them ? No - Scripture is the Word of GOD which you refute hence your mistaken perception that they are my own words.
God does not want us to do what we think is right but WHAT HE SAYS IS RIGHT.

And how does one know what he says? The Bible has problems, which is actually the subject that of this thread. If the Bible contradicts itself, has historical errors, and the like, why should I believe it is divinely inspired?

Paul was not writing scripture, he was writing letters. It was only later that some importance was added to them. So all you're quoting, as far as I see, is the opinion of one man.

 

[Harmonious]

Would you say that is Nisan 14 or 15?

The 15th.

 

[Harmonious]

But even though I believe in God, I still need saving? The only way I will be saved if I believe your way? I don't see God being the close minded.

In my belief system, you just have seven commandments to accomplish (considering that you're not a Jew), and they are more or less obvious when it comes to being a good person.

And if you can accomplish that, you are good with God.

You can read more about it here.

 

[Harmonious]

What is meant by "the next day after Preparation Day"?

I would just remind you that the preparation day is not at all a holiday, but just that - a day of preparation.

Back home, we just call it Erev Pesach. (The Eve of ((day before)) Passover)

 

[smokydot]

And this was the 666th post.

You can compare your knowledge to me - I'm an ordained minister (12 yrs experience)and pretty much a Ph.D. in New Testament with a minor in Theological Interpretation. I'm halfway through my dissertation, and I have four years experience lecturing on the seminary level (Masters of Religion, M.Div., and certificate programs). I've also published an article in a scholarly journal and had the privlidge of speaking with scores of internationally recognized biblical scholars at various conferences.

On a typical day I read 1000 pages of research, and write from 1 to 4 pages.

Now would be a good time to take a cheap shot and remind you that Satan trained in the best divinity school in the universe.

But I will refrain from taking that cheap shot.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Now would be a good time to take a cheap shot and remind you that Satan trained in the best divinity school in the universe.

But I will refrain from taking that cheap shot.

I can't imagine how you would think that's a "shot."

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It's offensive because you make the assumption that people like me, who do not believe what you're saying, need saving.

I think it would probably be more offensive to someone like A_E, who is also disagreeing with you and Smoky, but is a Christian.

The comment was so stupid that I just can't muster up the energy to be offended. But I appreciate the sentiment.

 

[smokydot]

Looking at the NIV is not the same thing as consulting Greek scholars.

PLAINTIFF: smokydot
vs.
DEFENDANT: Angellous_Evangellous

I do not need to personally "consult" with the Greek scholars of the NIV to know they do not agree with you on
requiring that the Greek parthenos be accompanied by a qualifier in order to mean virgin.

Because I can consult with their work, where they translate parthenos, without qualifiers, as virgin in Mt 1:23, 25:1, 7, 10.

You might want to reconsider your comments and their outcome (following) when I stated there were numerous Greek scholars
who did not agree with your latter day "qualifier" notion.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2275496-post516.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2277276-post680.html

And an apology would be in order for your false accusations (following) on this issue:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2275174-post506.html -- just making stuff up
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2276996-post629.html -- dishonesty
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2277092-post652.html -- lies and deceits
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2277247-post678.html -- open dishonesty

Besides, I didn't tell you who my friends were, so you don't know what translations they submitted to the committee.

It matters not. . .I know which translation prevailed, which is proof of the numerous Greek scholars who do not agree with your "qualifier" notion,
just as I stated in the post below,
and proof that I am not "just making stuff up" as you falsely charged, along with all the other false accusations shown above.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2274818-post501.html

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I do not need to personally talk to the Greek scholars of the NIV to know they do not agree with you
that the Greek parthenos must be accompanied by a qualifier in order to mean virgin.

I have the evidence of their work, which translates parthenos, without qualifiers, as virgin in Mt 1:23, 25:1, 7, 10.

You might want to reconsider what you said when I stated there were numerous Greek scholars who did not agree with your latter day "qualifier" notion.

It matters not. . .I know which translation prevailed.

Which Greek scholars? By name...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Would you say that is Nisan 14 or 15?

Your Scriptures says Yeshua was crucified on the (Preparation day before Passover)

He was removed that same day. This would have been before Friday (evening) which is before the start of the Sabbath.

Your scriptures also say the women came at first light on the first day of the week which would have been Sunday morning. Now what this shows, as far as the supposed resurrection, is the days in the tomb don't amount to 3 days or 3 nights.

While this bantering back and forth between the respective parties here (over who said and meant what) is cute I'm more interested in the thoughts on this time line discrepancy.

Paul said ("If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins")

 

[Beta]

And how does one know what he says? The Bible has problems, which is actually the subject that of this thread. If the Bible contradicts itself, has historical errors, and the like, why should I believe it is divinely inspired?

Paul was not writing scripture, he was writing letters. It was only later that some importance was added to them. So all you're quoting, as far as I see, is the opinion of one man.

Well, there we go friend !!!
You seem quite prepared to believe what scholars and other people on the forum say but you don't accept the Bible as the Word of God .
That is why YOU have problems - I don't !

 

[smokydot]

Your Scriptures says Yeshua was crucified on the (Preparation day before Passover)

He was removed that same day. This would have been before Friday (evening) which is before the start of the Sabbath.

Your scriptures also say the women came at first light on the first day of the week which would have been Sunday morning. Now what this shows, as far as the supposed resurrection, is the days in the tomb don't amount to 3 days or 3 nights.

While this bantering back and forth between the respective parties here (over who said and meant what) is cute I'm more interested in the thoughts on this time line discrepancy.

Paul said ("If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins")

Your issue is not whether he rose from the dead, which he did. Your issue is how long he was in the tomb.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Your issue is not whether he rose from the dead, which he did. Your issue is how long he was in the tomb.

You're correct that my issue is that there is a discrepancy as to how long he was in the tomb. It makes the prophecy about his rising suspect as it seems to not meet his own prophecy linking back to Jonah. If he wasn't in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, because we know by the scriptures that he wasn't, then we can't know if he rose or not.

 

[smokydot]

You're correct that my issue is that there is a discrepancy as to how long he was in the tomb. It makes the prophecy about his rising suspect as it seems to not meet his own prophecy linking back to Jonah. If he wasn't in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, because we know by the scriptures that he wasn't, then we can't know if he rose or not.

It is not in question that the NT reports that he rose.
What is in question here, due to the confusion regarding Jewish practices, is the date of his death.

Was "Day of Preparation for the Passover" Nisan 14 or 15?

 

[Harmonious]

It is not in question that the NT reports that he rose.
What is in question here, due to the confusion regarding Jewish practices, is the date of his death.

There is no confusion about Jewish practices. At Jesus' time, as at all times, the practices have ever been the same.

The only confusion comes because the authors of the gospels could not add.

Was "Day of Preparation for the Passover" Nisan 14 or 15?

The 14th of Nissan. As I said, it is just the day before Passover, not a special day unto itself.