What deity were the Pharisees worshipping, when Jesus said, they worshipped Satan?

[sojourner]

I see the Christians and those who called themselves Christians. The word Christ means anointed by Spirit (capital S). Once anointed, the love prevents man from murder, lies, etc. It's spiritual. Obviously the Jews that had Christ killed, had the disciples killed, just didn't get the message. This is true of Constantine and the priests of his new religion, as well. Murdering man was of the OT god, not the Father Jesus taught of. Some loved their enemies, and some killed their enemies. This is the true ignorance, IMO.

Some see it, some don't.

Just staaaahhp!!

 

[sojourner]

Supposedly He did. In the original, I can't tell if Jesus is saying an expression, or actually calling Peter Satan, though. It might be an expression, there is a pause before He addresses Peter.

“Original?” If you’ve got an “original,” You’re the only one who knows about it. Why aren’t you sharing it with the scholarly community?

 

[Rival]

Well, yeah, they really were. Your take on Paul is misguided.

My take on Paul? I don't care for Paul, or Jesus, or any of this Christian nonsense.

 

[sojourner]

My take on Paul? I don't care for Paul, or Jesus, or any of this Christian nonsense.

Doesn’t matter whether you “like” Paul, or what your personal opinion regarding Xy happens to be. What matters are facts and responsible interpretation. You’ve shown neither in your post.

 

[Rival]

Doesn’t matter whether you “like” Paul, or what your personal opinion regarding Xy happens to be. What matters are facts and responsible interpretation. You’ve shown neither in your post.

Which post?

 

[Spiderman]

My take on Paul? I don't care for Paul, or Jesus, or any of this Christian nonsense.

The city I live in is called Saint Paul, and daily i go to the Cathedral of "Saint Paul" and frequently visit the "Saint Paul Capitol building".

Saint Paul is the capitol of this state. His ghost lives on!

 

[sojourner]

The Greek....whether that's the original, is probably up for debate, yes. But you probably meant something that serves no purpose to the discussion.

If you believe there’s a “pause” in the text, it’s nowhere near “original.”

 

[sojourner]

Which post?

The post to which I originally responded to you.
[edit] and the post where you refer to Paul as “misguided.”

 

[Rival]

The post to which I originally responded to you.

I'm still not understanding.

 

[sojourner]

I'm still not understanding.

Posts 9 and 11

 

[Rival]

Posts 9 and 11

Well, make a point against what I've said and we can discuss it.

 

[Thief]

Do a bit of extracurricular reading on the side, there, thief? Crowley? What's your predilection?

sure.....I do know how to read

you were thinking Aleister Crowley?

I wasn't

I was reporting from a gospel
just can't remember which one at this moment

 

[Fool]

When Jesus said the Pharisees didn't know God, and they were worshipping Satan, what does that mean to you? Is it literal? Were they worshipping a different god?

Any ideas welcome

satan is being adverse to love

satan is a form of saturn; which is where the word saturday comes from. saturday is the sabbath for a jew.

saturday

satan is known as god's wrath, or wrathful aspect. it would be more like a righteous anger vs a projected anger

from the torah

Numbers 22:22
God's wrath flared because he was going, and an angel of the Lord stationed himself on the road to thwart him, and he was riding on his she-donkey, and his two servants were with him.

or from the KJV

Numbers 22:22
22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants were with him.



here we see it given a name as a thing

from the torah

1 Chronicles 21:1

Now Satan arose upon Israel, and he moved David to count Israel.

or from the KJV

1 Chronicles 21:1

21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.




http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKronos.html

 

[sojourner]

Then a pause was added. There is a pause via at least words, as it infers, 'then Jesus said', ....
Thats a pause.
In the English, they indicate this pause in the kjv , version used on this site

We’re not talking about the KJV, or English. We’re talking s out Koine Greek. The supposed “pause” has nothing to do with Jesus allegedly said or meant.

 

[Flankerl]

MRW seeing this thread

 

[sojourner]

Well, make a point against what I've said and we can discuss it.

Be specific about what you think Paul may have said, and we’ll discuss it.
Give a specific way in which the Jews were not acting according to convention, and we’ll discuss that, too.

 

[Rival]

Be specific about what you think Paul may have said, and we’ll discuss it.
Give a specific way in which the Jews were not acting according to convention, and we’ll discuss that, too.

They were acting according to convention. My problem is with those who have a problem with that.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Paul's use of this 'curse' is just not right. The theology he imparts to it is a joke. The idea that someone can basically be a human sacrifice and take the sins on others and so on is so alien to Tanach it is absurd.

 

[Fool]

They were acting according to convention. My problem is with those who have a problem with that.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Paul's use of this 'curse' is just not right. The theology he imparts to it is a joke. The idea that someone can basically be a human sacrifice and take the sins on others and so on is so alien to Tanach it is absurd.

its no sacrifice when ignorance leads to suffering and love tries to alleviate a wrong. but the wrong want service to self; although their selfishness created suffering for another. love makes everyone equal. its two bodies being of one mind. ahmi yat ahmi


And it's no sacrifice
Just a simple word
It's two hearts living
In two separate worlds
But it's no sacrifice
No sacrifice
It's no sacrifice at all
Mutual misunderstanding
After the fact
Sensitivity builds a prison
In the final act
We lose direction
No stone unturned
No tears to damn you
When jealousy burns
Cold, cold heart
Hard done by you
Some things look better, baby
Just passing through

 

[Fool]

He is love (1Jo 4:8, 16); yet there is another side of His character; God has wrath against sin (Heb 10:27, 31).

Deuteronomy 4:12
12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

 

[sojourner]

They were acting according to convention. My problem is with those who have a problem with that.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Paul's use of this 'curse' is just not right. The theology he imparts to it is a joke. The idea that someone can basically be a human sacrifice and take the sins on others and so on is so alien to Tanach it is absurd.

1) I see. Thanks for clearing that up! I knew something didn’t sound right.
2a) Paul is referring to “curse” not in terms of 5be law, itself, but in terms of what the law brings, i.e. condemnation. Paul corroborates this in other places.
2b) yeah, I’m no fan of Substitutionary Atonement either. There are better constructs out there. But I don’t think the passage refers to substitutionary atonementment. Christ’s sacrifice was a self sacrifice. One who is cursed (through legal definition), hangs. One is judged guilty by a court or magistrate. Pilate (magistrate) did not curse Jesus. The implication is that Jesus could have saved himself, but he did not, in effect, cursing himself, so that we (humanity) would not be held accountable for cursing him. IOW, one layer of meaning might be that, as we can become entrapped by legalities that don’t serve us, so Jesus allowed himself to become entrapped, in order to absolve us from entrapment.

Hope I’m making sense here.