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What deity were the Pharisees worshipping, when Jesus said, they worshipped Satan?

sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Phantasman said:
Which disciple(s) was a Pharisee? Proof please.

Apostle Paul was, and disputed the Jewish religion.
Paul says:
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Paul was taught directly by the Holy Spirit, not by men.The Pharisee's were responsible for Pauls death and hated him. That's why James sent him to the Gentiles instead of the Jews.
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Read the gospel of John. Nicodemus was a Pharisee. He came to Jesus for teaching; therefore, he was a disciple — a follower.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Peter was concerned the pending events Jesus had spoken about
and said so

Jesus reprimanded Peter by calling him .....Satan
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
sojourner said:
Read the gospel of John. Nicodemus was a Pharisee. He came to Jesus for teaching; therefore, he was a disciple — a follower.
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not necessarily....
he may have been spying for the Pharisees
as the Pharisees were seeking to undo the ministry of the Carpenter.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Thief said:
not necessarily....
he may have been spying for the Pharisees
as the Pharisees were seeking to undo the ministry of the Carpenter.
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Then he wouldn’t have called him “teacher.” And, no, not all the Pharisees are reported to have resisted Jesus.

Remember: these aren’t news reports; they’re stories. “Nicodemus as spy” just doesn’t fit the story line.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
sojourner said:
Then he wouldn’t have called him “teacher.” And, no, not all the Pharisees are reported to have resisted Jesus.

Remember: these aren’t news reports; they’re stories. “Nicodemus as spy” just doesn’t fit the story line.
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approaching the Carpenter and calling Him teacher would be common
having the reputation He did
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Premium Member
sojourner said:
Read the gospel of John. Nicodemus was a Pharisee. He came to Jesus for teaching; therefore, he was a disciple — a follower.
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Just because he met him in secret and called him teacher? Maybe but what Jesus told him was that he should not have any man as master, only the holy spirit. If nicodemus listened then he broke away from his sect after that, but the gospel does not record what happened after.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Read the gospel of John. Nicodemus was a Pharisee. He came to Jesus for teaching; therefore, he was a disciple — a follower.
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Correct. My oversight. For more definitive Nicodemus, the Acts of Pilate (Gospel of Nicodemus) shares his part of discipleship.

His role as a scholar over teacher shows that he didn't actively start a "church" or even teach the Jews. But ministered to the Roman's and "may" had an influence of Pilate's eventual conversion to Christianity.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Disciple of Jesus said:
When Jesus said the Pharisees didn't know God, and they were worshipping Satan, what does that mean to you? Is it literal? Were they worshipping a different god?

Any ideas welcome
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The following tells as to what he meant from "Pharisees didn't know God, and they were worshipping Satan":

John 8

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=KJV

Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
The following tells as to what he meant from "Pharisees didn't know God, and they were worshipping Satan":

John 8

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Bible Gateway passage: John 8 - King James Version

Regards
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Neither Jesus meant that the pharisees were sons of the devil in literal and physical terms nor he meant son of God in literal and physical terms in the Gospels, very obvious from the above verses. Right, please?

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