What Did Jesus Mean?

[URAVIP2ME]

I know this much, That the Book of Revelation was given by Christ Jesus, and its Christ Jesus that would know more about Revelation than any man would know.

I can agree that Jesus would know more about Revelation than any man would know, however at Revelation 1:1 I find the Revelation was given to Jesus by his God. So, the God of Jesus would know more about Revelation than anyone else. Jesus does Not even know the coming 'day of the hour' as per Matthew 24:36.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Our wills are meant to be in harmony to what is good. To have pure intentions. Charity would be the greatest virtue. A heart that gives deserve out of compassion. No freer will but to those whom choose good and delight in well doing.
I'm not into moral relativity, or moral subjectivity myself. There is good and its antithesis. That much i am sure of.

I find Jesus believed there is good in his example about the neighborly good Samaritan.
That Samaritan was Not a follower of Jesus but did good to a stranger in distress while others passed by the stranger. All who passed by had the free-will choice to stop and help.- Luke 10:30-37
So, yes our wills are meant to be in harmony to what is good, and to me that means being in harmony with God's will.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ezekiel's vision had God's throne with four cherubs as well. Were these "beasts" or are they more accurately described as "living creatures"?

"Within it were what looked like four living creatures, and the appearance of each one was like that of a human. 6 Each one had four faces and four wings. 7 Their feet were straight, and the soles of their feet were like those of a calf, and they were shining like the glow of burnished copper. 8 They had human hands under their wings on all four sides, and the four of them had faces and wings. 9 Their wings were touching one another. They would not turn when they went; they would each go straight forward.

10 Their faces had this appearance: Each of the four had a man’s face with a lion’s face on the right, a bull’s face on the left, and each of the four had an eagle’s face. 11 That is how their faces were. Their wings were spread out above them. Each had two wings that were touching one another and two wings covering their bodies." (Ezekiel 1:5-11)

This is similar to what John saw. The four cherubs have features that reflect God's cardinal attributes.....wisdom, power, justice, and love.

Cherubs are the guardians. It was cherubs posted in Eden, one of which was the angel who rebelled and made himself into a devil. There were also cherubs posts to guard the way to the tree of life after the fall.

You can't be serious, Lucifer ( Satan) deceived Eve at the tree, but now your saying Lucifer ( Satan) is guarding the way of the tree.
Are you serious. You can't be serious

There were only 2 Cherubim's, as to where your coming up with all these other Cherubim's is anyone guess.

As 1 kings 6:23-28, points out there are only 2 Cherubim's.

23-And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.

24- And five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing unto the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits.

25- And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size.

26 -The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub.

27- And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house.

28- And he overlaid the cherubims with gold"

 

[Faithofchristian]

It seems to be you who wants to add things...? What am I adding?



You are confusing me......what on earth are you on about? If the Revelation is about the future, then why does he need to mention other Bible books? Why is this so important to you?



You are not making a lot of sense....sorry.

When you go to other books of the bible that's doing what Jesus didn't do. In Revelation.
Thats the whole point. Not to bring in other books of the bible into Revelation.

Christ interpreted everything in Revelation, so we do not have to try and interpret what Christ already did.

Take for example The Mother of Harlots.
In Revelation chapters 17, Christ already interpreted who The Mother of Harlots is.

So there's no interpretation for anyone to do, That Christ has already done it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I can agree that Jesus would know more about Revelation than any man would know, however at Revelation 1:1 I find the Revelation was given to Jesus by his God. So, the God of Jesus would know more about Revelation than anyone else. Jesus does Not even know the coming 'day of the hour' as per Matthew 24:36.

Let's back up, at the time Jesus was here on Earth the book of Revelation was not written yet. So when Jesus said no one knows the day and hour, that's right at that time.

Now that the book of Revelation has been written, Jesus foretold in his book of Revelation, the day and hour of his second coming.

Revelation means to Uncover to Reveal.
And Jesus done both Jesus uncovered and Revealed the day and hour of his second coming.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

John the Baptist was Elijah (Matthew 11:14), who came from heaven, as he did not die, and passed a double portion of his spirit to Elisha. Enoch never died either, and went straight to heaven. They are the "two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth". Elijah, a "righteous man" had the power of the kingdom of heaven, and could heal, raise the dead, and stop the rain for 42 months. (James 5:16-17)

In Scripture I find Enoch did die. As Jesus stated to us at John 3:13 No man has ascended to heaven....Luke 7:28.
ALL died (Hebrews 11:13,5,39) and did Not see the fulfillment of the promise. That includes Elisha.
Elisha was still alive years later according to 2 Chronicles 21:12, so the whirlwind simple moved or transferred Elisha from one place to another. So, the heaven of 2 Kings 2:11 was simply the mid-heavens where the birds fly.
In Their day Jesus' ransom had Not yet been paid. Jesus opened up the way to heaven - Acts of the Apostles 4:12.
So, there was No way they could have put faith/ confidence/ trust in Jesus.
Therefore Enoch & Elisha did Not go to heaven, but still asleep in death awaiting the resurrection of John 5:28-29.
That would include King David as mentioned at Acts of the Apostles 2:34 that David did Not ascend.
So, it is No wonder Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like state at John 11:11-14 just as the old Hebrew Scriptures teach sleep in death at Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:!7; Psalms 146:4 and Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Also, please note the 'future tense' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be' a resurrection... So, ' is going to be ' means in the future and Not yet for them.

 

[Faithofchristian]

In Scripture I find Enoch did die. As Jesus stated to us at John 3:13 No man has ascended to heaven....Luke 7:28.
ALL died (Hebrews 11:13,5,39) and did Not see the fulfillment of the promise. That includes Elisha.
Elisha was still alive years later according to 2 Chronicles 21:12, so the whirlwind simple moved or transferred Elisha from one place to another. So, the heaven of 2 Kings 2:11 was simply the mid-heavens where the birds fly.
In Their day Jesus' ransom had Not yet been paid. Jesus opened up the way to heaven - Acts of the Apostles 4:12.
So, there was No way they could have put faith/ confidence/ trust in Jesus.
Therefore Enoch & Elisha did Not go to heaven, but still asleep in death awaiting the resurrection of John 5:28-29.
That would include King David as mentioned at Acts of the Apostles 2:34 that David did Not ascend.
So, it is No wonder Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like state at John 11:11-14 just as the old Hebrew Scriptures teach sleep in death at Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:!7; Psalms 146:4 and Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Also, please note the 'future tense' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be' a resurrection... So, ' is going to be ' means in the future and Not yet for them.

That's right no man has ever ascended into heaven.
Now let's take Christ Jesus as the example here.
Christ Jesus is the only one, who ascended to heaven with both body and spirit. This is why the tomb of Christ Jesus was empty.
Because both the body and spirit of Christ Jesus risen.
Now as for king David and others, they did not ascend to heaven with both body and spirit.
king David only ascended to heaven in spirit, and not his body, As did Jesus both body and spirit risen.
The difference here being, that our body of flesh and blood, being created from the dust of the earth.
Now as for the body of Christ Jesus, was not created from the dust of the earth.

Would like very much to see the scripture that will say the body of Christ Jesus was created from the dust of the earth. Wheres that written at.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Take for example The Mother of Harlots.
In Revelation chapters 17, Christ already interpreted who The Mother of Harlots is.
So there's no interpretation for anyone to do, That Christ has already done it.

I find the 'daughters' of 'mother' Babylon the Great are the many varied religious sects out of harmony with Jesus.
As the ancient people left Ancient Babylon they took with them their non-biblical religious ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
This Babylon the Great is the Mother of her religious harlot daughters: the many divisions of Christendom, etc.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I find the 'daughters' of 'mother' Babylon the Great are the many varied religious sects out of harmony with Jesus.
As the ancient people left Ancient Babylon they took with them their non-biblical religious ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
This Babylon the Great is the Mother of her religious harlot daughters: the many divisions of Christendom, etc.

Can you prove where that is written at in the book of Revelation, I find no where in the book of Revelation where Jesus said anything of this what your saying.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Christ Jesus is the only one, who ascended to heaven with both body and spirit. This is why the tomb of Christ Jesus was empty.
Because both the body and spirit of Christ Jesus risen.

I believe because 1 Corinthians 15:50 teaches 'flesh...' (physical) can Not inherit the kingdom, then Jesus did Not take his decaying 3-day body to heaven. The spirit person Jesus remained in the vicinity of the earth for 40 days before he ascended to heaven in his pre-human heavenly spirit body. That is why Jesus used different materialized physical bodies to appear to his followers. If he was in a physical body, then his followers would have recognized him.
So, No Jesus body was Not resurrected. Jesus was resurrected in his previous heavenly spirit-person body.
- John 21:4; John 21:14. Physical can Not go through locked doors as done at John 20:14; John 20:19; John 20:26.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Let's back up, at the time Jesus was here on Earth the book of Revelation was not written yet. So when Jesus said no one knows the day and hour, that's right at that time.
Now that the book of Revelation has been written, Jesus foretold in his book of Revelation, the day and hour of his second coming.

.... and the chapter and verse is ___________________________

 

[Faithofchristian]

I believe because 1 Corinthians 15:50 teaches 'flesh...' (physical) can Not inherit the kingdom, then Jesus did Not take his decaying 3-day body to heaven. The spirit person Jesus remained in the vicinity of the earth for 40 days before he ascended to heaven in his pre-human heavenly spirit body. That is why Jesus used different materialized physical bodies to appear to his followers. If he was in a physical body, then his followers would have recognized him.
So, No Jesus body was Not resurrected. Jesus was resurrected in his previous heavenly spirit-person body.
- John 21:4; John 21:14. Physical can Not go through locked doors as done at John 20:14; John 20:19; John 20:26.

That's because the body of Christ Jesus did not decay. Like our bodies would decay after 3 days. That's why the body of Jesus not found in the tomb, The tomb was empty, showing that both the body and spirit of Jesus both risen. Thereby leaving an empty tomb.
You have to remember that the body of Jesus was not created from the dust of the earth, like our bodies were.

 

[Faithofchristian]

.... and the chapter and verse is ___________________________

Go to Revelation chapter 11.

 

[Faithofchristian]

.... and the chapter and verse is ___________________________

When you go to Revelation chapter 11, note that when the two witnesses are killed the two witnesses lay in the street for
3/12 days, and after 3/12 days God calls them up to heaven, and then in verse 15, the 7th trumpet is sounded, Christ Jesus returns to earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can you prove where that is written at in the book of Revelation, I find no where in the book of Revelation where Jesus said anything of this what your saying.

I thought your reference was in connection to Revelation 17:4-6 A. Babylon the Great ' mother ' of harlots......
That ' mother' gives birth ( gives life) to the disgusting things of the earth ( moral filth ).
A ' mother ' who gives birth to the obscene ( porn ).
Her daughters are ' spiritual harlots '. Like ' Mother ' like 'Daughters'.
'Mother' is the business-agent Madam for her 'Daughters'.
That religious ' mother ' harlot commits fornication sinning with earth's rulers - Revelation 17:1
Drunk with the wine of her spiritual fornication. Drunk with the blood of God's holy ones.
Earth's kings ( rulers ) are involved in the political realm.
Religious Babylon the Great she wants to meddle with the political to throne and dethrone earth's kings ( rulers ).
She thinks she sits as some sort of 'religious queen' - Revelation 18:7 - who rides on tip of the political kings/rulers.
It is Christendom who is involved, so by surprise the fed-up political realm will surprisingly turn on the corrupted ' spiritual daughters ' aka Christendom, etc.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Go to Revelation chapter 11.

Please post which verse or verses. Even as a starting point.
Are you referring to literal months, days ________
Certainly false clergy corresponds to un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70 when Jerusalem was destroyed.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I thought your reference was in connection to Revelation 17:4-6 A. Babylon the Great ' mother ' of harlots......
That ' mother' gives birth ( gives life) to the disgusting things of the earth ( moral filth ).
A ' mother ' who gives birth to the obscene ( porn ).
Her daughters are ' spiritual harlots '. Like ' Mother ' like 'Daughters'.
'Mother' is the business-agent Madam for her 'Daughters'.
That religious ' mother ' harlot commits fornication sinning with earth's rulers - Revelation 17:1
Drunk with the wine of her spiritual fornication. Drunk with the blood of God's holy ones.
Earth's kings ( rulers ) are involved in the political realm.
Religious Babylon the Great she wants to meddle with the political to throne and dethrone earth's kings ( rulers ).
She thinks she sits as some sort of 'religious queen' - Revelation 18:7 - who rides on tip of the political kings/rulers.
It is Christendom who is involved, so by surprise the fed-up political realm will surprisingly turn on the corrupted ' spiritual daughters ' aka Christendom, etc.

The Mother of Harlots has nothing to do with the earth it's self.

The Mother of Harlots is the Mother of confusion that's going on in the world, that everyone is in confusion of not knowing what is about to happen in the world events.
Everyone thinks there will be a world war 3.
Which is not going to happen.

There are people who thinks God is going to destroy the earth, which that is not going to happen either.

This all shows how much people really don't know about the book of Revelation.

God foretold in Revelation, that he will destroy those, who destroys the earth.

But yet people are saying God is going to destroy the earth, does that mean that God is going to destroy himself ?
People you can't be serious.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Please post which verse or verses. Even as a starting point.
Are you referring to literal months, days ________
Certainly false clergy corresponds to un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70 when Jerusalem was destroyed.

Look in Revelation chapter 11, When the two witnesses are killed and lay in the street for 3/12 days, Then after the 3/12 days, God calls them up to heaven.
And then in verse 15, the 7th trumpet is sounded, at this precise time Christ Jesus shows up.

 

[Deeje]

Boy! Have you got things scrambled....

You can't be serious, Lucifer ( Satan) deceived Eve at the tree, but now your saying Lucifer ( Satan) is guarding the way of the tree.
Are you serious. You can't be serious

Where did I say that? I said that cherubs are the guardians and that the angel who became satan was there as a "covering cherub" in Eden according to Ezekiel. It is why he was there in the garden calculating the right time to do his best to sway the woman over to his argument, filling her mind with doubts and influencing her to break God's law. He obviously targeted the woman to get to the man.

Once that cherub became satan, he was no longer in the service of his God but had now become his adversary.

There are more than two cherubs. The ones God sent to guard the way to the tree of life were faithful angels...satan was not among them.

There were only 2 Cherubim's, as to where your coming up with all these other Cherubim's is anyone guess.

Both Ezekiel and John saw 4 "living creatures" (not beasts)....in both instances these guardians are cherubs all around Jehovah's throne. One in front, one in back and one at each side. These cherubs each have representations of God's 4 cardinal attributes....do you think that God would tolerate the devil as a guardian around his celestial throne?

As 1 kings 6:23-28, points out there are only 2 Cherubim's.

Cheesh! These are the two carved (not living) cherubs that covered the the top of the ark of the covenant in the most holy compartment of the tabernacle and then the temple. God spoke to the Moses from above the cherubs.

There have been various suggestions about how the cherubs may have looked.

When you go to other books of the bible that's doing what Jesus didn't do. In Revelation.
Thats the whole point. Not to bring in other books of the bible into Revelation.

The Bible is God's word....all of it. It has one author and is one story from Genesis to Revelation. Referring to other books to back up what it says is not adding to it...it's reinforcing it.

Christ interpreted everything in Revelation, so we do not have to try and interpret what Christ already did.

But he didn't. The meaning of the Revelation was for God to reveal in his own due time.
They did not even have an understanding of what "the Lord's day" meant. The "sacred secret" has unfolded gradually as Jehovah's "great day" approaches.

Take for example The Mother of Harlots.
In Revelation chapters 17, Christ already interpreted who The Mother of Harlots is.

So there's no interpretation for anyone to do, That Christ has already done it.

This is "Babylon the great"....a 'greater' Babylon than the original city after which it is named, because it now encompasses the whole earth. Original Babylon is the springboard from which all false worship sprang. If you trace the beliefs that originated in Babylon, you will see a common thread running through all of the religions in the world. The core of their beliefs usually include a multiplicity of gods, especially trinities. There is belief in an immortal part of man that leaves the body at death. There is usually a place of heavenly bliss for the righteous, and a hell of eternal punishment, usually terrible suffering in flames, for the wicked. This core runs through all false worship in some form or another, and were taken all over the world after the flood when Nimrod became the first man to elevate himself as "a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah". The Tower that he built in Babel was more than likely a ziggurat that was to be used for false religious purposes. God put a stop to that, but the ideas that were adopted back then went with those that God scattered by confusing their language. (Genesis 11:1-10)

Babylon the great gave birth to all her daughters....including Christendom. Her beliefs clearly identify her as part of a religious system that God views as a spiritual whore.

 

[2ndpillar]

The Bible plainly says that no one went to heaven before Jesus, (John 3:13) I'm afraid the Bible argues with you on so many points that you seem to think you know...but none of it makes sense to anyone but you apparently.

As for your John 3:13, "born again" is in reference to being born of God, whose "seed abides in him", who does not sin. Elijah had the power and spirit of God, and could raise the dead, and heal the sick, and who was righteous. The "seed" of God refers to the good seed, the Word of God, not the tare seed, which the "Christian" church is built upon, the seed of the false prophet Paul, the false gospel of grace/cross, the sign of the beast, the Roman emperor Constantine, who instituted the Roman church. It was Constantine's Nicene collaborator, Athanasius, who promoted the false trinity dogma, who came up with your NT canon, in 367 AD with his pagan holiday, Easter festal letter.