What Did Jesus Really Teach?

[CynthiaCypher]

AsI stated earlier, mark and paul have no real historicity as they are only talking about glimpses of their version of jesus.

neither new or heard a word ever pass jesus lips NOR did they live in the area. we dont even know who the author of the gospel of mark was and paul knew nothing of the real jesus. we do know he created alot of is own theology on the subject.


Me, im not sure what he preached as to the kingdom of god, there is good evidence for both sides of the debate. I would like to think he wasnt so stupid as to think the end of he world would just happen for no good reason, but it was a common belief in these primitive times.

Paul and Mark might have not have heard a word from Jesus' lips but they are the earliest sources and we have give them primacy when it comes to Jesus

 

[outhouse]

Paul and Mark might have not have heard a word from Jesus' lips but they are the earliest sources and we have give them primacy when it comes to Jesus

I agree and were getting the unknown author of marks version. and pauls which have differences.

paul speaks very little of the real man and writes mythically more then anything else.


because they are the earliest source doesnt make them accurate in any sense at all. it does leave the possibility though




again, Im more or less stating "we dont know" how he preached the kingdom of god. You have many scholars on your side. I have a little less.

fact is, its debated and its not solid one way or the other.

 

[bigbadgirl]

Jesus was Jewish. He taught what his sect of Judaism taught.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Jesus was Jewish. He taught what his sect of Judaism taught.

And what did his sect teach?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

[FONT=&quot]Jesus came to Israel as was prophesied. He came to pay for the sins of the world and preached that the kingdom of God was at hand. The nation of Israel rejected His message and did not receive Him as Messiah. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. (John 1:11)[/FONT],[FONT=&quot] therefore the kingdom was delayed. In the meantime, the gospel message has been going out to all the other non-Jewish nations of the world during this church age. When the church is complete then God will remove it from the earth and again deal directly to and through Israel concerning the coming kingdom and reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. The fact that Israel is a nation again after so many years of the Jewish people being scattered throughout the world shows that this will take place very soon.[/FONT]

So do you believe that inauguration of the Kingdom would have came when Jesus said it would if Israel believed him?

 

[fishy]

Basic Algebra?

 

[Super Universe]

Jesus did not preach the end of the world.

"At last the time has come!" he announced. "The Kingdom of God is near! Turn from your sins and believe this Good News!" This verse says nothing about the end of the world. It means "I am near" - Jesus represents the Kingdom of God. Don't take this to mean that Jesus IS God, He isn't, He is God's representative.

Jesus refused to begin His tour preaching to the multitude until John's fate was determined by Herod Antipas. Before John's death the Apostles wondered what they were waiting for, Jesus would simply say "My time has not yet come".

People never understand the context of scripture. The end of the world will surely come, billions of years from now the sun will expand and destroy this whole place.

 

[InChrist]

So do you believe that inauguration of the Kingdom would have came when Jesus said it would if Israel believed him?

Yes, had the nation of Israel repented and believed in Jesus as their Messiah I think the Kingdom would have commenced.

 

[Shermana]

You'll get alot of different answers from different people because the issue of what Jesus really taught is confusing. Some say he preached about love and forgiveness, sin and redemption and about justice for the poor and such things as that.

But when one reads the scriptures, they show us that main body of Jesus' message was The End of the World. Jesus taught that the End was coming and coming in the lifetime of his generation. And well Jesus was wrong as you can guess and I believe that all the other things Jesus preached were a product of his belief that the End was soon.

So can ya'll tell me what do you think he taught people and why he taught it.

Total Torah obedience. "The end of the world" can be interpreted as "The end of the reign of the Jewish Kingdom", and that's exactly what happened. He specifically talked about how Jerusalem would be surrounded by armies. If Jesus was really teaching that the end of the world and existence as we know it was happening, he wouldn't have bothered saying things like "Others will do works greater than mine", the intention of his words was more or less about the end of the "age". And his teaching was basically against what he considered the Pharisee perversion of Torah obedience, and a more "back to the roots" style of Torah belief.

As for the actual Earthly Reign of the Moshiach, I believe that will happen after the current age which is the age of Tribulation.

 

[Shermana]

Jesus was Jewish. He taught what his sect of Judaism taught.

I seriously love when non-Christians understand what Jesus taught better than Christians.

And his sect of Judaism was likely the same Nazarenes as those associated with Qumran.

 

[Quantrill]

You'll get alot of different answers from different people because the issue of what Jesus really taught is confusing. Some say he preached about love and forgiveness, sin and redemption and about justice for the poor and such things as that.

But when one reads the scriptures, they show us that main body of Jesus' message was The End of the World. Jesus taught that the End was coming and coming in the lifetime of his generation. And well Jesus was wrong as you can guess and I believe that all the other things Jesus preached were a product of his belief that the End was soon.

So can ya'll tell me what do you think he taught people and why he taught it.

Jesus Christ did teach much on the end of the world or age. At the begining of His ministry He came declaring the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. That being the Kingdom that had been promised to Israel and He the Messiah was their King. Many things surrounded that message. The rules and laws of the Kingdom. The completion of judgement against Israel before the Kingdom begins.

Once the King was rejected, Jesus Christ, then the Kingdom is put on hold . Thus much of what Jesus speaks then comes in the form of parables. To hide knowledge from those who have rejected and to give knowledge to those who believe on Him. The subject matter now becomes what of the Kingdom? When will it come? When is the time and what are the circumstances surrounding it.

All the while also Jesus Christ and God are making preparation for the begining of a new body of believers, the Church.

Quantrill

 

[Hawkeye112200]

Show me that Jesus wasn't preaching the End in those verses. Show me

It seems to me you could care less about what Jesus was teaching, but are only concerned with spreading your simpleton view that is shrouded in such exquisite historical and biblical studies.

I have said repeatedly, apparently to deaf ears, the end of the world is not the problem here. It is your immature reasoning thus far for saying Jesus taught "without a doubt" the end would be right around his day. You have offered half cocked verses with no reasoning except to say, "see, see it says the word generation, like oh my god, like totally, like it totally says generation".

If that is what passes for sound reasoning to you, then carry on my dear.

 

[fishy]

Jesus Christ did teach much on the end of the world or age. At the begining of His ministry He came declaring the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. That being the Kingdom that had been promised to Israel and He the Messiah was their King. Many things surrounded that message. The rules and laws of the Kingdom. The completion of judgement against Israel before the Kingdom begins.

Once the King was rejected, Jesus Christ, then the Kingdom is put on hold . Thus much of what Jesus speaks then comes in the form of parables. To hide knowledge from those who have rejected and to give knowledge to those who believe on Him. The subject matter now becomes what of the Kingdom? When will it come? When is the time and what are the circumstances surrounding it.

All the while also Jesus Christ and God are making preparation for the begining of a new body of believers, the Church.

Quantrill

Don't tell me god had to change his plan again? Damn he does that a lot, especially for an omniscient entity.

 

[Shermana]

Did he have to have a numerical majority of acceptance among the Jews for the Earthly Kingdom to commence? The entire early Church was made up of nothing but Jews. The Pharisees sent Paul to crack down on them because so many Jews were converting. It was all planned that Jesus would be crucified according to his own words, otherwise he would have escaped when he had the chance. Perhaps the 'Kingdom" is already here, and the Earthly reign from Jerusalem will arrive after the Age of Tribulation.

 

[outhouse]

It was all planned that Jesus would be crucified according to his own words

there is no historicity in that statement.

otherwise he would have escaped when he had the chance

looking only at scripture he did for two days before they found him in the night

Perhaps the 'Kingdom" is already here

perhaps kingdom was always here.

and the Earthly reign from Jerusalem will arrive after the Age of Tribulation

no such thing will ever happen

 

[ChristineES]

What did Jesus teach: For one thing, he taught that worshiping God was more important than following the rules. He taught that kindness and mercy was more important than sacrifice.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What did Jesus teach: For one thing, he taught that worshiping God was more important than following the rules. He taught that kindness and mercy was more important than sacrifice.

Do you believe those were his primary teachings?

 

[idav]

Where is the common since in "gaining the world and losing your soul?"

Was the reference to a soul metaphorical or literal. If literal, than how much common sense plays in the salvation of a soul can be debated. If metaphorical, than what does it matter, common sense or no common sense, the teaching, it doesn't matter.

I think that saying is true and yes it is metaphorical. It does matter as there is a huge aspect of the NT that teaches the worthlessness of worldly things. Then we get caught up in our possessions and what we own owns us. This isn't news.

 

[idav]

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of
man coming in his kingdom."

"Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon
this generation."

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled."

"Nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
in the clouds of heaven."


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That was a small aspect of his teachings. Yes he thought the son of man would come but who is the son of man from the OT perspective? Did Jesus not take this symbolically in reference to the OT?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

That was a small aspect of his teachings. Yes he thought the son of man would come but who is the son of man from the OT perspective? Did Jesus not take this symbolically in reference to the OT?

Just because I gave 4 verses doesn't mean that Jesus didn't have more apocalyptic sayings. If you read the synoptic gospels, you will see that Jesus had alot more to say about the End than people are willing to admit.

I am just holding back on purpose