The historic argument, where did creation come from, and where did self come from, is discussed in the living presence human being thinker.
Stories about spirit, either conjured spirit or a story of spirit which infers we came from a higher place of spirit and changed.
Rationally as a human being thinking and telling stories.
Science says that it knows how creation got created by reviewing space as if it always existed, as their science theme. Which is for artificial invention only. So it is not a spirit story, does not speak on behalf of spirit or own spirit inference.
It is just for a human thinker for his scientific inventions and for formulas to claim to gain power, rationally.
However humans state that the state creation and space once never existed and a higher body mass presence took up what never existed, space.
Space in science is inferred by 2 bodies of space, an empty cold vacuum of space, devoid of any mass or radiating bodies...and a radiating mass owner of and in space by description amount of radiating mass.
Earth obviously as a body in space owns a huge amount historically of radiating mass. The UFO condition in space is a lesser amount of mass in radiating space. As you cannot view it until it gets heated in a burning gas mass science cause....rationally.
Therefore spiritual humans own an argument against artificial scientists rationally.
Science says spirit does not exist, for science says occult conjuring of evil spirit is a science cause in full knowledge of it, historically and in modern day science organization studies and themes about it. All just human thought and pondered, as a one of self, in groups talking and sharing one of human natural thoughts.
Then there is the spiritual human who says, space once never even existed, it was how God was given presence O form of circular bodies, removed from eternal mass historically that formed a thinning of space presence, bodies burst and burnt in history. The spirit story.
Our personal parent spirit story only after the Earth gas heavens once totally clear and cold was Sun burnt irradiated attacked/Earth converted its mass, did the eternal spirit, existing on the other side of space as eternal, not radiation or radiation mass, eternal.....had been contacted by Earth cold gas mass heavenly amassing, the bread TH of it.
Space was filled back in spatially by a breadth and a form of depth to re contact where creation was released from.
Our spiritual argument, where did we come from. Spiritual humans know we did not come as an alien inside of a gas/metal UFO body. For the science theme is AI recorded/encoded. The story says that the UFO was not only stopped heated radiation conversion of earth by opening a hole in its metal mass, that sucked in Earth gases/water, the spatial vacuum dealing with the radiation mass sucked it back into space.
Space therefore dealt with artificial radiation mass attack. But it was how out of space Earth communicators were formed. The knowledge of which is just scientific invention.
When those UFO cold body mass come back into the Earth and re open by burning gases, the atmospheric gas mass that they removed previously gets released also. Why we are all still alive. And never owned any human creation, for we WERE NOT invented by a male human thinking, and button pushing on his metal machines inferred historically to the UFO.
So the UFO is the machine baby if you want to be crude...for we need to be that crude to sink into a Satanic science mind psyche, when he falsifies sexual natural bio information as his conscious being to scientific themes, just as the bible imposes.
Psychology introduced in life due to occult intervention owned its reasons to teach that the life psyche of a male thinks sexually falsely into machination.
Our parents are life voice/recorded of image, proven not only by a huge natural human being ability to review vision and gain factual information, but also proven by phenomena occult studies in the sciences. So no human can argue against its reality.
As we are only all babies born by their sperm/ovary sharing, the male with sperm and the female ovary both change to enable either the same male life human to own form, or the female to own form. Which means a male is only associated to his Father life, and the female to her Mother life, no matter what science says about sex. We ARE NOT 2 bodies in 1 body.
The vision life recording that I saw and experienced as if I was living it in my dreams, showed our human Mother coming out of the eternal spirit, as an eternal spirit, in female form, that changed in the Earth water atmosphere into a bio life.
So the vision owned all the advice that spirit bodies were pre owned, were released from being with the eternal spirit and was forced out of that body. And it is on the other side of space....and the Earth heavenly gases was the only reason it was contacted.
Eternal therefore owns no inference/reference in the sciences, and never did.
Most spiritual humans own a story and a claim that when they die they still own one spiritual higher self being in the eternal. For that spirit body directly communicates to all living form, seeing we got released from their body.
So when the physical body that was forced to live inside on the Earth atmospheric gas mass dies, the eternal being part of our higher spiritual awareness always existed then just continues to be its owned self...which was never a human.
The memory just tells a story of where we came from.
That same memory describes how God as a false o O sound was sung for in the eternal as a study of a concept, spirit image/language in spirit....for that language and spirit was not actually an eternal being, the mass caused the arising of that spirit that went in and out of any body in a discussion in spirit.
How the spirit information exists to tell its story of how the first cause, change and notification of the motivation to own change, to activate change occurred, to have space form owning changed language....a spirit body.
Hence proof of that history for any scientist is the fact that science owning a radiating constant can produce and conjure the presence, evil spirit or awareness of a spirit image in the production of the sciences, as creation had in fact historically come from a place of spirit, in all use to reason, to be of wisdom, to realise, to experience, to have proof, the knowledge of.
God therefore O one planet, owned the human reason for their self life presence, for it had by its heavenly mass communicated back to the eternal body, forced it release spirit from its body, so we consciously state, God caused it....as a rational human spiritual self advice.
The reason for the storytelling.
Now if you asked a spiritual medium or psychic do they know and understand their own spirit self after a human dies, the rational status is no, it is not understood, but a human can reason why and how that spirit can still use our heavenly spiritual imagery, voice and body recording to communicate to us.
As another scientific caused phenomena outcome....a loss of from our own body original use of atmospheric mass, given to a spiritual occult science cause.
The reason why humans claim and Jesus or a spirit Father or a spirit Mother, a brother or sister or friend that you lived with is seen or heard talking to you. For it is already proven real.
Infinite by a male in science reasoning is an involvement with numbered factors relating to mass and change to mass only. Science therefore in any of its stories does not own in any reasoning any status of spirit information, it is all for machines, METAL. Not human.