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What do atheists have to say about incidents like these?

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Especially considering the fact that most cases like these usually have multiple credible eyewitnesses.

“Police and medical staff document America's real-life possession: Official reports claim boy, nine, walked backwards up hospital wall and police captain was too scared to enter family's 'haunted' house”

READ FULL ARTICLE AT:

Children possessed by 200 demons 'levitated' and walked backwards over walls in front of hospital staff | Daily Mail Online


A nine-year-old boy walked backwards up a wall and ceiling as startled medical staff looked on after his mother claimed he and his two siblings had been possessed by demons, according to official reports.


The unlikely-sounding event was detailed in official documents after a child services case worker and a nurse both said they saw the boy 'glide' backwards on the floor, wall and ceiling.

Both were shocked to see the boy apparently float after their mother had been subject to months of scepticism when she claimed her home in Gary, Indiana, was haunted and all three of her children were possessed by demons. Listen to exclusive audio of the demon here

Latoya Ammons said her 12-year-old daughter also levitated in the home, and all three of her children showed signs of being possessed including 'evil' smiles and unnaturally deep voices, according to the Indianapolis Star.

Miss Ammons' home was officially exorcised by a catholic priest who said the ceremonies were officially authorized by the Diocese of Gary.

Police also observed strange goings on at the house and a captain of the city's force has said he 'is a true believer' that the house is haunted.

After a string of apparent paranormal events at the house hardened police officers - including the local captain - even declared themselves too frightened to stay there after nightfall and numerous city officials refused to go to the property.

Mother-of-three Ms Ammons, 32, said she was only rid of the spirits that haunted her family's home in Gary after she moved away and underwent multiple exorcisms and police dug under the house to check for graves.

The Indianapolis Star obtained hundreds of pages of official documents and carried out more than a dozen interviews with police, the Department of Child Services, psychologists, relatives and a priest to uncover the bizarre details - which seem like something straight out of a horror movie...

 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Especially considering the fact that most cases like these usually have multiple credible eyewitnesses.

“Police and medical staff document America's real-life possession: Official reports claim boy, nine, walked backwards up hospital wall and police captain was too scared to enter family's 'haunted' house”

READ FULL ARTICLE AT:

Children possessed by 200 demons 'levitated' and walked backwards over walls in front of hospital staff | Daily Mail Online


A nine-year-old boy walked backwards up a wall and ceiling as startled medical staff looked on after his mother claimed he and his two siblings had been possessed by demons, according to official reports.


The unlikely-sounding event was detailed in official documents after a child services case worker and a nurse both said they saw the boy 'glide' backwards on the floor, wall and ceiling.

Both were shocked to see the boy apparently float after their mother had been subject to months of scepticism when she claimed her home in Gary, Indiana, was haunted and all three of her children were possessed by demons. Listen to exclusive audio of the demon here

Latoya Ammons said her 12-year-old daughter also levitated in the home, and all three of her children showed signs of being possessed including 'evil' smiles and unnaturally deep voices, according to the Indianapolis Star.

Miss Ammons' home was officially exorcised by a catholic priest who said the ceremonies were officially authorized by the Diocese of Gary.

Police also observed strange goings on at the house and a captain of the city's force has said he 'is a true believer' that the house is haunted.

After a string of apparent paranormal events at the house hardened police officers - including the local captain - even declared themselves too frightened to stay there after nightfall and numerous city officials refused to go to the property.

Mother-of-three Ms Ammons, 32, said she was only rid of the spirits that haunted her family's home in Gary after she moved away and underwent multiple exorcisms and police dug under the house to check for graves.

The Indianapolis Star obtained hundreds of pages of official documents and carried out more than a dozen interviews with police, the Department of Child Services, psychologists, relatives and a priest to uncover the bizarre details - which seem like something straight out of a horror movie...
I think they are examples of people lying in some instances or misinterpreting and exaggerating in others.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Especially considering the fact that most cases like these usually have multiple credible eyewitnesses.

“Police and medical staff document America's real-life possession: Official reports claim boy, nine, walked backwards up hospital wall and police captain was too scared to enter family's 'haunted' house”

READ FULL ARTICLE AT:

Children possessed by 200 demons 'levitated' and walked backwards over walls in front of hospital staff | Daily Mail Online


A nine-year-old boy walked backwards up a wall and ceiling as startled medical staff looked on after his mother claimed he and his two siblings had been possessed by demons, according to official reports.


The unlikely-sounding event was detailed in official documents after a child services case worker and a nurse both said they saw the boy 'glide' backwards on the floor, wall and ceiling.

Both were shocked to see the boy apparently float after their mother had been subject to months of scepticism when she claimed her home in Gary, Indiana, was haunted and all three of her children were possessed by demons. Listen to exclusive audio of the demon here

Latoya Ammons said her 12-year-old daughter also levitated in the home, and all three of her children showed signs of being possessed including 'evil' smiles and unnaturally deep voices, according to the Indianapolis Star.

Miss Ammons' home was officially exorcised by a catholic priest who said the ceremonies were officially authorized by the Diocese of Gary.

Police also observed strange goings on at the house and a captain of the city's force has said he 'is a true believer' that the house is haunted.

After a string of apparent paranormal events at the house hardened police officers - including the local captain - even declared themselves too frightened to stay there after nightfall and numerous city officials refused to go to the property.

Mother-of-three Ms Ammons, 32, said she was only rid of the spirits that haunted her family's home in Gary after she moved away and underwent multiple exorcisms and police dug under the house to check for graves.

The Indianapolis Star obtained hundreds of pages of official documents and carried out more than a dozen interviews with police, the Department of Child Services, psychologists, relatives and a priest to uncover the bizarre details - which seem like something straight out of a horror movie...
I'm very sceptical that anything of the sort happened. In these days of mobile phones recording everything, do we have a video of the event?

It needs someone like James Randi to do a thorough investigation and confirm that it happened as described.

In the UK it is the lead up to Halloween, if I didn't know any different I'd say it was a publicity stunt.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
I'm very sceptical that anything of the sort happened. In these days of mobile phones recording everything, do we have a video of the event?

It needs someone like James Randi to do a thorough investigation and confirm that it happened as described.

In the UK it is the lead up to Halloween, if I didn't know any different I'd say it was a publicity stunt.

But it happened in January 2014, and there are plenty of official documents
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Especially considering the fact that most cases like these usually have multiple credible eyewitnesses.

“Police and medical staff document America's real-life possession: Official reports claim boy, nine, walked backwards up hospital wall and police captain was too scared to enter family's 'haunted' house”

READ FULL ARTICLE AT:

Children possessed by 200 demons 'levitated' and walked backwards over walls in front of hospital staff | Daily Mail Online
200 demons, I wonder how those convert to Newtons...
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Especially considering the fact that most cases like these usually have multiple credible eyewitnesses.
Well for a start, I would have thought you’d want to get as close to the original material as possible in these cases so there is no justification in linking the Daily Mail (a trashy UK tabloid) story, apparently solely referencing the Indianapolis Star article (which itself actually seems quite well written, from primary sources).

A couple of core points from reading the reports cold;

There is zero evidence of “demons”. There isn’t even any attempt to define what “demon” means in this context or any attempt to construct a solid hypothesis for their existence or influence on this situation. The supporters and promoters of that explanation just present it as a done deal.

The vast majority of the incidents and events linked to this could be explained by mundane causes. It may not be apparent what they are and those causes might be weird, obscure or as yet unknown but “demons”, or anything else “supernatural”, are not required to explain them.

The truly unexplained incidents (of which there are few - the “walking up the wall” bit and a couple of references to the children being lifted and thrown without anyone touching them) only appear to have been witnessed and reported by existing believers. There is nothing independent or neutral to describe what actually happened at those points.

At the very best you have a couple of unexplained events and the only honest answer that can be given as to their cause is “We don’t know”.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
I find I've made no errors in our discussion so far. Perhaps you can excuse me if I make one later.

2 errors so far:

1. The original error (ignoring the evidence in the OP)

2. Denying having made the original error
 
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