The article
is long, interesting, and disturbing. But, sadly, its observations are not surprising.
is long, interesting, and disturbing. But, sadly, its observations are not surprising.
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What Do Palestinians Want?
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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Would you mind giving a brief summary. I cant get to reading the link atm.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Its worth waiting until you can read it yourself.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I agree that its observations are not surprising. But for me personally, the consistency of the findings across the board in spite of reality, is both eye-opening and scary. Until now, I thought they were just being knowingly vicious. Now I see, that its much, much worse than that. And that's terrifying. That means that literally, there is no chance of end to the cycles of violence in the foreseeable future.
Also, judging from the comments I've seen here, it also seems like Middle Eastern Muslims are being affected/are affecting the views of the Palestinians as well.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I think this essay should be sent to the head of the UN, Ban Ki-Moon and should be required reading for all member states at the UN.
It did manage to slightly soften my views on Abbas. The man, for all his faults, is in an impossible situation and one that he is most likely acutely aware.
It did manage to slightly soften my views on Abbas. The man, for all his faults, is in an impossible situation and one that he is most likely acutely aware.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I would have agreed with you, before hearing what he has to say on the subject. Its one seeing to passively deal with it, another to incite it.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I still despise the little fellow, but I had never taken into account how far he could go in thwarting the mass sentiment.... which is not far at all. Stoking the fires is altogether despicable, agreed.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
I agree. I've believed that the Palestinians worship and have a love of death. Now seeing their own polls over a decade sustains that belief. Their polls also show the absolute futility of the concept that giving some land to them will appease them. The polls show the opposite is true, that giving land to them only whets their appetite for all the land.
I believe the abuse is source of voilence
I wish the Palestinians and Israeli could live together in peace
and same time i wish Palestinians had guns and weapons instead of knifes to protect them self as settlers , not to attack
Tumah
Veteran Member
I doesn't seem like you read the whole article.
I request for resume of points
Not all beliefs are created equal. Some are as ugly as they are stupid.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Confirmation bias at work.
People demonize their oppressor.
Understandable.
Certainly.
Yes.
No more than the demonization of Jews by Christians was [necessarily] consistent with Christian ideology.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
What messages do you pull out from what the Palestinians believe?
Shusha
Member
If would say rather that people have to imagine an oppressor. Then they demonize it.
Shusha
Member
Let's see if I can do a little summary. The Palestinian majority believes:
1. The Jewish people have no historical connection to the territory.
2. The Jewish people have no rights to a homeland or sovereignty on any of the territory.
3. Israel is the main source of all Palestinian problems.
4. Israel intends to take over all of the territory in question and ethnically cleanse the territory of all non-Jews.
5. Israel intends to destroy al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.
6. Israelis are, generally, violent and untrustworthy, but clever and strong.
7. Judaism is the most violent of religions.
8. Attacks on Israeli civilians are not "terrorism" and are morally correct actions in defense of Islam and/or political goals.
9. Attacks on Israeli civilians are effective in achieving political goals.
10. Attacks on Israeli civilians are praiseworthy and should be celebrated.
1. The Jewish people have no historical connection to the territory.
2. The Jewish people have no rights to a homeland or sovereignty on any of the territory.
3. Israel is the main source of all Palestinian problems.
4. Israel intends to take over all of the territory in question and ethnically cleanse the territory of all non-Jews.
5. Israel intends to destroy al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.
6. Israelis are, generally, violent and untrustworthy, but clever and strong.
7. Judaism is the most violent of religions.
8. Attacks on Israeli civilians are not "terrorism" and are morally correct actions in defense of Islam and/or political goals.
9. Attacks on Israeli civilians are effective in achieving political goals.
10. Attacks on Israeli civilians are praiseworthy and should be celebrated.
Shusha
Member
What Israel and, generally, the rest of the world believes about "solutions" to the conflict will not resolve the conflict. Its not about what we think it is about.
If by 'imagine' you are claiming that the oppression is imaginary, then you are in serious denial. If you mean anything else by your caveat then you are just wasting every ones time in an effort to be clever.