What Do Palestinians Want?

[FearGod]

"Palestinian" is the modern form of the name of the pagan invaders from the same time frame. Should that mean something about the current people going by the name?
Tom

The name Palestinians wasn't changed, still Palestinians
Whereas Judah was present and the Israelis were lost, and what today
we have is the Israelis.

Don't get it yet ? not me either.

 

[rosends]

Judah was the name of the kingdom and the other tribes whom were known as Israelis living in the northern part
were lost or no one knows were they've gone, so rationally saying that Judah and his sons stayed in the region in the
kingdom of Judah.

Since Israel belong to the 10 or 11 tribes whom were lost then who bring back the name Israel
and not Judah to existence.

You have lost me again. The 10 or so other tribes were known as the kingdom of Israel. The two together were still the children of Israel. The political kingdoms had names also. So? None was known as "Israeli" because that is a modern Hebrew word. The exile of the kingdom didn't change either the name of the land of Israel, or the fact that the kingdom of Judah was made up of children of Israel.

 

[Flankerl]

You have lost me again. The 10 or so other tribes were known as the kingdom of Israel. The two together were still the children of Israel. The political kingdoms had names also. So? None was known as "Israeli" because that is a modern Hebrew word. The exile of the kingdom didn't change either the name of the land of Israel, or the fact that the kingdom of Judah was made up of children of Israel.

Don't expect too much.
It's already too much for him that there was a Kingdom of Israel before the two Kingdoms existed.

 

[FearGod]

Don't expect too much.
It's already too much for him that there was a Kingdom of Israel before the two Kingdoms existed.

Where are the lost tribes of Israel ?
Did the earth swallow them ? of course not, they were scattered among the nations but the process
were unknown.

The sons of Judah stayed in the region, many of them became Arab Palestinians and few
stayed as Jews but with good relation with the Muslim ones, both were Palestinians.

I think the war between the sons of Judah (Palestinians) and the sons of Israel is back.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I expect your average Palestinian wants the same things as most other people. I also expect that they are subject to the same fear driven biases as other people - generally more so, considering their overall lack of availability of information and localized social influences.

 

[Flankerl]

Where are the lost tribes of Israel ?
Did the earth swallow them ? of course not, they were scattered among the nations but the process
were unknown.

Nations? Used to be called Persian Empire. Perhaps you've heard about it.
It's probably in the Quran, though it would be the wrong Persian Empire. Not your fault, your Religion isn't that old.

The sons of Judah stayed in the region, many of them became Arab Palestinians and few
stayed as Jews but with good relation with the Muslim ones, both were Palestinians.

Ah the special time of the year when a non-Jew declares who is a Jew and who isn't. You follow various famous people by doing this.

Inserting the terminology of a 20th century conflict into antiquity. Smart. Oh wait its not smart. Its quite stupid.

But its really beautiful. Jews are only Jews if they want to live under their Muslim masters with a Pogrom once in a while. Everyone else is obviously not a Jew.
Really simplifies things.

I think

No you don't.


[QUOTE="FearGod, post: 4533793, member: 38584"the war between the sons of Judah (Palestinians) and the sons of Israel is back.[/QUOTE]

There is a nice German word for this situation. Fremdschämen. It means that I feel embarrassment for your stupid remarks.

 

[FearGod]

Nations? Used to be called Persian Empire. Perhaps you've heard about it.
It's probably in the Quran, though it would be the wrong Persian Empire. Not your fault, your Religion isn't that old.




Ah the special time of the year when a non-Jew declares who is a Jew and who isn't. You follow various famous people by doing this.

Inserting the terminology of a 20th century conflict into antiquity. Smart. Oh wait its not smart. Its quite stupid.

But its really beautiful. Jews are only Jews if they want to live under their Muslim masters with a Pogrom once in a while. Everyone else is obviously not a Jew.
Really simplifies things.




No you don't.


[QUOTE="FearGod, post: 4533793, member: 38584"the war between the sons of Judah (Palestinians) and the sons of Israel is back.

Science confirms that what i said is the truth and even the rational thinking agree with it.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

 

[rosends]

Where are the lost tribes of Israel ?
Did the earth swallow them ? of course not, they were scattered among the nations but the process
were unknown.

Yes, the lost tribes. Good thing we weren't ALL lost.

The sons of Judah stayed in the region, many of them became Arab Palestinians and few
stayed as Jews but with good relation with the Muslim ones, both were Palestinians.

Actually no, as follows:
Jews did not become Arabs unless they moved to Arabia. That's where the word "Arab" comes from. They were then "Jewish Arabs", not "Palestinian anything".
Next, most "stayed as Jews" which is why we still exist today.
While there were aspects of the relationship with Muslims (beginning a few hundred years after the split and loss of the kingdom of Israel, because Islam is a relatively young religion) which were not horrible, there was plenty of violence and hatred, starting at Islam's inception, against Jews.
And if you want to say that, because all the peoples there lived in what was later renamed "Palestina", all are "Palestinian" then all the Jews today, who are descended from the Kingdom of Judah, are actually the Palestinians. Stop coopting our name!

I think the war between the sons of Judah (Palestinians) and the sons of Israel is back.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

You have the right to think that. You are wrong, but that's what rights confer -- the right to be wrong.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, the lost tribes. Good thing we weren't ALL lost.

Those who were living in the region are the sons of Judah, the rest were scattered and chose to live
in other regions thats why we can see the Jews all over the world and now they're claiming that Palestine
belongs to them.

Actually no, as follows:
Jews did not become Arabs unless they moved to Arabia. That's where the word "Arab" comes from. They were then "Jewish Arabs", not "Palestinian anything".

The Egyptians are Arabs now ,but they were Pharaohs, Palestinians were Greeks and the sons of Judah were Jews
but when Islam expands the region accepted Islam and became part of the Arab world, so sons of Judah and Palestinians
became Arab Palestinians, few stayed as Palestinian Jews.

Next, most "stayed as Jews" which is why we still exist today.

Yes the sons of Israel or the lost tribes

While there were aspects of the relationship with Muslims (beginning a few hundred years after the split and loss of the kingdom of Israel, because Islam is a relatively young religion) which were not horrible, there was plenty of violence and hatred, starting at Islam's inception, against Jews.

That's how Islam started, The Arabia were pagans and became Muslims and the same thing happened with
the Jews, a lot of them accepted Islam.

And if you want to say that, because all the peoples there lived in what was later renamed "Palestina", all are "Palestinian" then all the Jews today, who are descended from the Kingdom of Judah, are actually the Palestinians. Stop coopting our name!

Lol, you're the new comers, not the Palestinians(sons of Judah and Greeks)

You have the right to think that. You are wrong, but that's what rights confer -- the right to be wrong.

I believe in science, the DNA confirms what i said.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

 

[rosends]

Those who were living in the region are the sons of Judah, the rest were scattered and chose to live
in other regions thats why we can see the Jews all over the world and now they're claiming that Palestine
belongs to them.

Actually, no -- the ones around the world were from the kingdom of Judah who were also exiled but not lost. So according to you, they are Palestinians also and are the rightful owners of the land. Well done.

The Egyptians are Arabs now ,but they were Pharaohs, Palestinians were Greeks and the sons of Judah were Jews
but when Islam expands the region accepted Islam and became part of the Arab world, so sons of Judah and Palestinians
became Arab Palestinians, few stayed as Palestinian Jews.

Palestinians were Greeks? So therefore they never had any historical connection to the land in the mideast! And the sons of Judah stayed as the Jews. Very few if any converted to Islam except under the threat of death.

Yes the sons of Israel or the lost tribes

No, the sons of the kingdom of Israel, not lost tribes.

That's how Islam started, The Arabia were pagans and became Muslims and the same thing happened with
the Jews, a lot of them accepted Islam.

No, only a few and under threat of death. Most came back to Judaism (you can read the Iggeret Teiman for more info on this).

Lol, you're the new comers, not the Palestinians(sons of Judah and Greeks)

I am from the tribe of Judah and the kingdom of Israel, so according to you, I'm from BEFORE Islam. You are a new comer. Get off my land.

 

[FearGod]

Actually, no -- the ones around the world were from the kingdom of Judah who were also exiled but not lost. So according to you, they are Palestinians also and are the rightful owners of the land. Well done.

If the Palestinians chose to live in other parts of the world then who said to you that i'll agree
that they have the right to return to Palestine, but the case is that the tribes of Israel whom
left Palestine thousands years ago are claiming now that Palestine belongs to them.

Palestinians were Greeks? So therefore they never had any historical connection to the land in the mideast! And the sons of Judah stayed as the Jews. Very few if any converted to Islam except under the threat of death.

Humans i think evolved in Africa first.

No, the sons of the kingdom of Israel, not lost tribes.

Really, so the lost tribes had gone extinct.

No, only a few and under threat of death. Most came back to Judaism (you can read the Iggeret Teiman for more info on this).

Not true, because Jews were very few compared to Muslims, that means many of the Jews had already converted to Islam.

I am from the tribe of Judah and the kingdom of Israel, so according to you, I'm from BEFORE Islam. You are a new comer. Get off my land.

How did you know that you were from the tribe of Judah ?

 

[Shusha]

Adopting an ancient place name does not confer sovereignty. Neither the Palestinians nor the Jewish people need to do so to justify their national self-determination. Can we all just stop trying to deny the other and instead work on coming up with a solution?

@FearGod, would you be willing to accept the notion that the Jewish people and the Palestinian Arab Muslims should both have a nation in the territory under dispute?

 

[FearGod]

Adopting an ancient place name does not confer sovereignty. Neither the Palestinians nor the Jewish people need to do so to justify their national self-determination. Can we all just stop trying to deny the other and instead work on coming up with a solution?

@FearGod, would you be willing to accept the notion that the Jewish people and the Palestinian Arab Muslims should both have a nation in the territory under dispute?

Yes of course i agree that both have to live with one another in peace by a 2 states solution.

 

[rosends]

If the Palestinians chose to live in other parts of the world then who said to you that i'll agree
that they have the right to return to Palestine, but the case is that the tribes of Israel whom
left Palestine thousands years ago are claiming now that Palestine belongs to them.

Because you spoke about the people who remained there as "Palestinian" so they have rights to the land. The Jews who left, according to your logic, are "Palestinian". QED.

Humans i think evolved in Africa first.

Fascinatingly irrelevant and irrelevantly fascinating.

Really, so the lost tribes had gone extinct.

I don't recall saying that. The lost tribes and their descendants still exist. I never said they were extinct. When you lose your keys, they don't disappear from this plane of existence. I hope.

Not true, because Jews were very few compared to Muslims, that means many of the Jews had already converted to Islam.

Yes true because the Iggeret Teiman and the Iggeret Hashmad say so. Very few Jews converted and the ones who did, did so under threat of death or exile.

How did you know that you were from the tribe of Judah ?

It is called a family tree. You don't have one?

 

[Spiderman]

I agree. I've believed that the Palestinians worship and have a love of death. Now seeing their own polls over a decade sustains that belief. Their polls also show the absolute futility of the concept that giving some land to them will appease them. The polls show the opposite is true, that giving land to them only whets their appetite for all the land.

This is an accurate listing of persistent Palestinian beliefs. The discussion on this thread should be about these.
The conclusion that I get is that what the Palestinians want is to murder every Jew in Israel. Is that not blood-thirsty?

Not all beliefs are created equal. Some are as ugly as they are stupid.

What do Palestinians want?


On average my guess is 0 Jews in the holy land at best. 0 Jews on the earth at worst.

 

[Spiderman]

If you are addressing that to me you are clearly going off the deep end and distorting my position in a way that is disgraceful. Again, for the record, I am a Zionist and have been an active Zionist since before you were born.

As a Zionist, what are your objections to Israeli settlement expansion, and is it common for Zionists to have those objections?

I'm pleased to see how you give an example that Zionists do not look at things one-sided, and have a much more balanced and rational view than the enemies of Israel, with compassion and concern for Palestinian rights.