What do you call it when a sitting President tries to extend their term in office through illegitimate means?

[Soandso]

I'm more than educated unlike others who like to think a guy dressed like a Shaman , another with a stolen laptop , admist other yahoos are capable of overthrowing an entire government.

That coup fantasy is all theirs.

That's a straw man argument

This is what actually made jan 6th a failed attempt at a self-coup

Trump fake electors plot - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

After the results of the 2020 United States presidential election determined U.S. president Donald Trump had lost, a scheme was devised by him, his associates, and Republican Party officials in seven states to subvert the election by creating and submitting fraudulent certificates of ascertainment to falsely claim Trump had won the electoral college vote in those states.[1] The intent of the scheme was to pass the fraudulent certificates to then-vice president Mike Pence in the hope he would count them, rather than the authentic certificates, and thus overturn Joe Biden's victory.

The problem was that it all hinged on Mike Pence being just as corrupt and dishonest as they were. Thankfully for this country, he was not

The indictment describes Trump pressuring Pence to overturn or otherwise tamper with 2020 election results on a number of occasions in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6, including on Christmas Day 2020.
"When the Vice President called the defendant to wish him a Merry Christmas, the defendant quickly turned the conversations to Jan. 6 and his request that the Vice President reject electoral votes that day," the indictment says.

Pence told him, "You know I don't think I have the authority to change the outcome," it says.
Then, on New Year's Day, Trump "called the Vice President and berated him" after learning Pence had opposed a lawsuit that sought to give the vice President the ability to reject or return votes to the states at the Jan. 6 certification, the indictment says.
Pence "responded that he thought there was no constitutional base for such authority and that it was improper," the indictment reads. In response, it says, Trump told him "You're too honest."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pence-christmas-call-star-trump-indictment-2023-08-02/

He was "too honest"

This is what makes it a failed attempt at a self-coup. Attempting to subvert the will of the people and betray the Constitution in order to cheat his way into staying in the oval office. How unamerican

 

[Argentbear]

Do you mean like the Russian Collusion Coup. That was where a large coordinated conspiracy tried to back stab duly elected President Trump, like they did to duly nominated President Biden, and void the will of the voters. But Trump was too strong and too clean and endured the first waves, until the coup fell apart. All of fake news was in on the conspiracy. It was an army of conspirators against one. Even some Republicans got caught up in the early CIA hype and disinformation campaign.

Disinformation campaign? oh you mean facts

Biden was not that clean; international influence peddling, which is why he could not dig in and fight even a smaller strike force. I am still not sure why Trump, did not go after all the top level conspirators in the DNC, who ran the coup several years. The Swamp was too entrenched back then and the criminals circled the wagon and protected each other. But this time they are running scared, since Trump will be better prepared and may need to nuke them first, since they will keep trying until nuked.

Is "nuke" a way of saying assonate?

Their addition of law fare has taken it to a new level of scum bag. This may be why they recruited Walz, since he did law fare to the citizens in his own state, during COVID.

If you have watched the DNC Convention, do you see the amount of security that the Democrats splurged on themselves at the DNC convention? There is National Guard, State Police, City Police from Chicago as well as a few other cities, Secret Service, etc.

What sort of security was at the RNC?

There are at least eight checks points to get into the Convention Hall plus ID is required, unlike voting.

Where exactly is ID not required to vote?

How come during the Jan 6 Washington DC Protest and Riots, Pelosi and DNC did not have any real security for the Capital? Pelosi and the Mayor of Washington DC were both offered National Guard troops days in advance to be safe. Was that neglect or by design? The security that Trump was offered, when he was shot, was another accident just waiting to happen. Was Jan 6, a similar accident waiting to happen, with just a little push.

The Speaker of the House doesn't direct the National Guard. and the Joint Chiefs of Staff confirm that Trump did not offer the use of the National guard.

At least on Jan 6, not a single corrupt politician was injured. It funny how that worked out. I would assume if that riot had been a coup, with such minimal security in place, they should have been able make it a lot worse, and get what they wanted. Who runs an unprepared coup. It was not even in the same league as the Russian Collusion Coup, who had Trump under siege, with an army for two years. Why were the people who ran the Russian Collusion Coup allowed to be judge and jury for Jan 6?

Do you even know who was injured?

There were way more people marching on Washington, on Jan 6, than the Palestinian Protesters on Aug 22. Why does the DNC give themself the VIP treatment but does not offer that to all? It would nice if they gave that much effort to the border and instead just to themselves. More people would benefit if they were less self serving.

wow irony

 

[metis]

Do you mean like the Russian Collusion Coup.

Oh, you mean like when Trump asked the Russians to release Hillary's e-mails at a rally and they did as such that exact same evening??? Or how Trump had a private conversation with Putin without a single other American in a room, not even an American translator, which is a violation of long-standing protocol.

Constantly posting falsehoods does not miraculously make them the truth.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's a straw man argument

This is what actually made jan 6th a failed attempt at a self-coup

Trump fake electors plot - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

After the results of the 2020 United States presidential election determined U.S. president Donald Trump had lost, a scheme was devised by him, his associates, and Republican Party officials in seven states to subvert the election by creating and submitting fraudulent certificates of ascertainment to falsely claim Trump had won the electoral college vote in those states.[1] The intent of the scheme was to pass the fraudulent certificates to then-vice president Mike Pence in the hope he would count them, rather than the authentic certificates, and thus overturn Joe Biden's victory.

The problem was that it all hinged on Mike Pence being just as corrupt and dishonest as they were. Thankfully for this country, he was not

The indictment describes Trump pressuring Pence to overturn or otherwise tamper with 2020 election results on a number of occasions in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6, including on Christmas Day 2020.
"When the Vice President called the defendant to wish him a Merry Christmas, the defendant quickly turned the conversations to Jan. 6 and his request that the Vice President reject electoral votes that day," the indictment says.

Pence told him, "You know I don't think I have the authority to change the outcome," it says.
Then, on New Year's Day, Trump "called the Vice President and berated him" after learning Pence had opposed a lawsuit that sought to give the vice President the ability to reject or return votes to the states at the Jan. 6 certification, the indictment says.
Pence "responded that he thought there was no constitutional base for such authority and that it was improper," the indictment reads. In response, it says, Trump told him "You're too honest."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pence-christmas-call-star-trump-indictment-2023-08-02/

He was "too honest"

This is what makes it a failed attempt at a self-coup. Attempting to subvert the will of the people and betray the Constitution in order to cheat his way into staying in the oval office. How unamerican

Well you can run with the delusion thinking it's a coup. Most see it for what it actually is, which is simply and clearly an insurrection.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Attempted coup. And there is no reason that it could not be both. Do you think that those two are contradictory?

Of course. A coup must involve a backing and supportive authority like the military, police, or a militia. If it isn't there, it isn't a coup. Plain and simple.

 

[Soandso]

Well you can run with the delusion thinking it's a coup. Most see it for what it actually is, which is simply and clearly an insurrection.

"Delusional." I literally gave you the receipts for you to go through and showed you how what he attempted to do was the very dictionary definition of what a self-coup actually is. In return, you've decided to instead stick your head in the sand, put your fingers in your ears, and choose to remain willfully ignorant of what people are actually saying and what things have actually happened. It's the strangest thing to see...

 

[Twilight Hue]

"Delusional." I literally gave you the receipts for you to go through and showed you how what he attempted to do was the very dictionary definition of what a self-coup actually is. In return, you've decided to instead stick your head in the sand, put your fingers in your ears, and choose to remain willfully ignorant of what people are actually saying and what things have actually happened. It's the strangest thing to see...

I really don't care what you think of it.

You cannot attempt a coup by yourself unless there is substantial support and means present to aquire power.

 

[Soandso]

I really don't care what you think of it.

You cannot attempt a coup by yourself unless there is substantial support and means present to aquire power.

Actually read what I sent you. It wasn't just Trump by himself but was many people in power with Trump at the head

Secondly, you're just lying at this point. Self-coups exist whether you are willing to admit it or not. I've shown you what a self-coup is by it's very dictionary definition

 

[Twilight Hue]

Actually read what I sent you. It wasn't just Trump by himself but was many people in power with Trump at the head

Secondly, you're just lying at this point. Self-coups exist whether you are willing to admit it or not. I've shown you what a self-coup is by it's very dictionary definition

Nope. And almost everyone sees it properly as an insurrection except a few like yourself.

 

[Soandso]

Nope. And almost everyone sees it properly as an insurrection except a few like yourself.

Then how would you describe the events that I laid out for you?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then how would you describe the events that I laid out for you?

Ask yourself this. Why isn't Trump the leader right now at this moment?

He didn't even have a day one as dictator yet.

 

[Soandso]

Ask yourself this. Why isn't Trump the leader right now at this moment?

Because his attempted self coup failed

He didn't even have a day one as dictator yet.

Thankfully checks and balances and honest people like Mike Pence exist at the right place and at the right time

Now did you want to answer my question?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Because his attempted self coup failed



Thankfully checks and balances and honest people like Mike Pence exist at the right place and at the right time

Now did you want to answer my question?

I did answer it. Many times. A coup requires organization and a command support structure capable of a degree of enforcement power.

If you dont have that , it's not a coup. Plain and simple.

If I were to run into the White House or Capital yelling by myself , "I'm taking over" it's not a coup.

I'd be hauled off to the whosgow or a mental institution.

 

[George-ananda]

What do you call it when a sitting President tries to extend their term in office through illegitimate means?​

Trumpeting

 

[Soandso]

I did answer it. Many times. A coup requires organization and a command support structure capable of a degree of enforcement power.

If you dont have that , it's not a coup. Plain and simple.

Then you prefer living in denial. Willful ignorance

 

[metis]

Ask yourself this. Why isn't Trump the leader right now at this moment?

He didn't even have a day one as dictator yet.

Do you honestly think that Trump isn't thinking of winning this year one way or the other? If not, then you ain't much paying attention.

 

[Soandso]

If I were to run into the White House or Capital yelling by myself , "I'm taking over" it's not a coup.

I'd be hauled off to the whosgow or a mental institution.

No one is saying Trump did this... Again with the strawman fallacies

Did you want to respond to the actual receipts I provided?

 

[Twilight Hue]

No one is saying Trump did this... Again with the strawman fallacies

Did you want to respond to the actual receipts I provided?

Nope. If you don't accept what has been already said, you are clearly not going to accept any future elaboration from me.

 

[Soandso]

Nope. If you don't accept what has been already said, you are clearly not going to accept any future elaboration from me.

Fair

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course. A coup must involve a backing and supportive authority like the military, police, or a militia. If it isn't there, it isn't a coup. Plain and simple.

Or, and you seem to ignore this, or the leader of a country that has lost an election. When you can only get a bunch of idiots and amateurs to be the "foot soldiers" for your coup it is almost surely going to fail. And that was what happened.