What Do You Expect...?

[1213]

What do you expect in the coming years - for attitudes and conditions to get better, or worst?...
Do you see things getting better, in a few years time, or do you think man's attitudes are getting worst?

By what I see, western leaders desire World War 3 more than anything. That is why I expect things to get a lot worse than now.

 

[nPeace]

The words "better" and "worse" are logically vacuous statements. Their only use is to express praise or condemnation, which are feelings. Confusing them for objective properties is irrational and an example of emotional reasoning.



I disagree. I think the people who see what's worse for others as better are not taking life as it happens, but actively valuing what's worse for others. Quite contradictory mindsets.

Why try to do better, or make things better? Crazy stuff. Not making sense to me. We can't do better if there is no objective better, can we?

 

[nPeace]

I guess I just had to vote 'unsure,' unfortunately. I want things to get better. Who wants garbage overflowing, or pandemics, or threats of nuclear war? But in the past few years, I have nearly given myself an ear infection, listening to podcasts on all these things. I am not exactly sure 'what' needs to change, or what can change, but I guess I do sense that something does need to. Some kind of setting in the circuit board of our species needs an upgrade, or a repair, or something.

As for garbage and pollution, that's certainly something that I've heard about the whole time I've been on the planet. There are islands full of garbage, there's the 'pacific garbage patch,' and I wonder how much lead we are all consuming. Radiation from all the nuclear testing, the questions about fukushima, and the ukraine power plants. Ongoing debates on if fracking or new drilling sites should be created. Every couple years, a major oil leak into our ocean

I contribute to it myself as a factory worker, and I don't feel that good about it. But I am not educated, so I don't really know what else I can do

I don't really think there is much I can do, and maybe it's best that I stop thinking about it, and just stop looking at world problems. I mean really, what can I possibly do about any of it. I am just a factory worker. The rest of the people I grew up with who came from well-off families, and went to really fancy schools, should be dealing with it

I agree. It's out of our hands.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not a bad thing I would have thought, especially in a debate forum.

So ...

The words "better" and "worse" are logically vacuous statements..

... but the word "bad" meets you carefully cultivated Socratic standards. Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Sand Dancer]

What do you expect in the coming years - for attitudes and conditions to get better, or worst?

I used to live in a fairly clean district, but now, it's unsightly, since the neighborhood changed.
In fact, the country I live in, has become unsightly, in many many areas... one could say, 'all over the place'.
Rats have become a problem too.

View attachment 63972
The Garbage Problem is just one problem
Garbage is a big problem all over the world. People buy and use a lot of things nowadays. After a while, they throw them away in the garbage bin. All the garbage is later thrown away or dumped outside the city. These places are called landfill sites. In many cities, landfill sites are now full.

Do you see things getting better, in a few years time, or do you think man's attitudes are getting worst?

Worse, not worst. The grammar Nazi in me is offended. lol

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What do you expect in the coming years - for attitudes and conditions to get better, or worst?
I used to live in a fairly clean district, but now, it's unsightly, since the neighborhood changed.
In fact, the country I live in, has become unsightly, in many many areas... one could say, 'all over the place'.
Rats have become a problem too.
The Garbage Problem is just one problem
Garbage is a big problem all over the world. People buy and use a lot of things nowadays. After a while, they throw them away in the garbage bin. All the garbage is later thrown away or dumped outside the city. These places are called landfill sites. In many cities, landfill sites are now full.
Do you see things getting better, in a few years time, or do you think man's attitudes are getting worst?

I expect to see more of what we read at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
I expect that the political will surprisingly turn on the religious world (starting with Christendom - so-called Christian)
When the powers in charge will be saying, " Peace and Security....." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus will come to make conditions better - Revelation 22:2.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Worse, not worst. The grammar Nazi in me is offended. lol

Are you aware of Muphry's Law?

 

[nPeace]

Worse, not worst. The grammar Nazi in me is offended. lol

Both are correct. It's just how English is.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I agree. It's out of our hands.

Specifically, it's out of my hands. But it is in the hands of humans. The ones with power and education

 

[Sand Dancer]

Both are correct. It's just how English is.

English is weird. That's all I gotta say.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I expect to see more of what we read at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
I expect that the political will surprisingly turn on the religious world (starting with Christendom - so-called Christian)
When the powers in charge will be saying, " Peace and Security....." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus will come to make conditions better - Revelation 22:2.

So we wait and wait and wait for God to wave His magic wand and everything will be ok? That reeks of an irresponsible attitude and a laziness on our part to fix things. If my house is dirty is God going to clean it up? Why else has He given us a mind, hands, feet and the ability to act - to sit and wait for Him to clean up the messes we’ve made?

God helps those who help themselves. By sitting on our hands waiting, the world is not going to get any better.

 

[RestlessSoul]

English is weird. That's all I gotta say.

You didn’t have to say it.

 

[Ella S.]

Why try to do better, or make things better? Crazy stuff. Not making sense to me. We can't do better if there is no objective better, can we?

No, you cannot do objectively better.

 

[Ella S.]

And that bit of dismal sophistry is as inane as it is worthless.

People can and do evaluate their quality of life, and better/worse is a perfectly legitimate evaluation.

Insults are not a counter-argument, and quality of life is not what everyone refers to when they say "better" or "worse."

ETA: You can say that something leads to a lower quality of life according to some standardized measurement. That would be objective.

Saying that it's worse for them is a subjective opinion, and it's just how you feel. You are fully capable of evaluating anything however you want, including taking glee in others having a lower quality of life, but it doesn't raise your opinions to the standard of objective fact.

 

[Ella S.]

So ...

​

... but the word "bad" meets you carefully cultivated Socratic standards. Curiouser and curiouser.

I'm not sure why you're comparing the posts of two different users with different perspectives here. Of course they aren't going to fully agree?

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Not a bad thing I would have thought, especially in a debate forum.

So ...

What?

 

[InChrist]

I think things will continue to get worse and deteriorate. For the most part, humanity is in rebellion to the Creator of heaven and earth and on a path of self-destruction while also destroying the the earth. I only see improvement when Jesus Christ returns to rule for 1000 years and brings restoration.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So we wait and wait and wait for God to wave His magic wand and everything will be ok? That reeks of an irresponsible attitude and a laziness on our part to fix things. If my house is dirty is God going to clean it up? Why else has He given us a mind, hands, feet and the ability to act - to sit and wait for Him to clean up the messes we’ve made?
God helps those who help themselves. By sitting on our hands waiting, the world is not going to get any better.

What ! Jesus gave instructions (Not sitting on hands) but to go tell whoever we can about the good news of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44-45; Matthew 24:13-14; Acts 1:8) Even the apostle Paul supported his preaching/teaching work by working as a tent maker - Acts of the Apostles 18:3; 1 Thessalonians 2:9.
Keeping Bible morality is Not being lazy but being industrious . Being clean people. Living a clean life.
Those who keep, who practice Bible morality don't make messes (Not even litter) but often clean up the messes others make.
Since the world lies in the power of wicked Satan - 1 John 5:19; 2 Corinthians 4:4 - Christians are responsible to love neighbor as Jesus loved others. In other words, genuine Christians love neighbor MORE than self - John 13:34-35.
Time and effort goes into teaching the Bible and that not sitting around waiting, but also using time to WARN.
Warn that if one does Not 'repent ' one will 'perish' - 2 Peter 3:9.
Christians can't change this world and nor can anyone else.
Please tell us how much you do daily as to what you are doing to make the world any better __________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think things will continue to get worse and deteriorate. For the most part, humanity is in rebellion to the Creator of heaven and earth and on a path of self-destruction while also destroying the the earth. I only see improvement when Jesus Christ returns to rule for 1000 years and brings restoration.

As Revelation 11:18 B says God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth ( both literal and moral ruin )
Christians, as we know, can't stop the evil in the world and that is why God will have Jesus step in. - 1 John 5:19
Christ bringing restoration and healing for earth's nations because mankind won't - Revelation 22:2.
Since we see the last days of badness on Earth we know the time for God to act is near. - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Insults are not a counter-argument, ...

True.