What do you feel is wrong with atheism?

[Rolling_Stone]

Exists. Objectifying God puts the meaning of that in a particular context. I believe there is no distinction to be made, then, between the idea of God and an objectified God.

I really like that answer. Frubals when I can.

 

[rojse]

So Communism has no promise?

There is no requirement that communists must be atheistic.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

There is no requirement that communists must be atheistic.

I can't think of a better way to shoot down your credibility than to make such a statement.

 

[yossarian22]

There is no requirement that communists must be atheistic.

If you want to follow the manifesto, you must be atheist. Marx considered religion as bad as big business.

 

[eudaimonia]

The only thing wrong with atheism is that I prefer to identify myself by my worldview (Eudaimonism) rather than to state what I am not (I'm not a theist, therefore I'm an atheist).

Atheism is little more than a footnote to my worldview.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[rojse]

I can't think of a better way to shoot down your credibility than to make such a statement.

Communism is the equal distribution of resources and capital of a country between all of it's inhabitants.

I don't see any requirement for religion in what makes communism communism.

 

[rojse]

If you want to follow the manifesto, you must be atheist. Marx considered religion as bad as big business.

Communism is an ideal that has been shaped by more than one individual.

 

[yossarian22]

Communism is an ideal that has been shaped by more than one individual.

Communism almost universally refers to Marxism, or a spinoff of marxism.
If you want to stay true to the manifesto, you must be atheist. The manifesto is basically the foundation of Communism anyhow.

 

[Panda]

Communism almost universally refers to Marxism, or a spinoff of marxism.
If you want to stay true to the manifesto, you must be atheist. The manifesto is basically the foundation of Communism anyhow.

Marxism is communism but communism is not always marxism. Marxism requires you to be an atheist, communism does not.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I see myself slipping down the road of semantics again.

Ah, life! :beach:

 

[ChristineES]

Karl Marx, the author of the Communist Manifesto, called religion "Opium for the Masses". Communism in it's purest form (Marxism, I would guess) has never truly existed.

 

[yossarian22]

Karl Marx, the author of the Communist Manifesto, called religion "Opium for the Masses". Communism in it's purest form (Marxism, I would guess) has never truly existed.

Communism is actually older than Marxism, but earlier flavors have pretty much died out

Marxism is communism but communism is not always marxism. Marxism requires you to be an atheist, communism does not.

Any referral to Communism (capital C) is a referral to some spin off of Marxism. Always. The other forms are dead in the water.

But this is way off topic.

 

[rojse]

Although Communism owes quite a debt to Karl Marx, he was not the only philosopher to discuss the idea. Communism existed before Karl Marx, he is only the most famous philosopher associated with it.

 

[yossarian22]

Although Communism owes quite a debt to Karl Marx, he was not the only philosopher to discuss the idea. Communism existed before Karl Marx, he is only the most famous philosopher associated with it.

Read what I said again.
Anyhow, this should probably go into another thread.

 

[rojse]

I would say the main thing wrong with atheism is that we need more Public Relations people, advertising the charity work that we do. Having prominent atheists like Dawkins is not enough, that only tells everyone that we exist, but does not convince them that we are just as nice a people as any religious denomination.

Apart from that, (perhaps something for the PR people to publicise) what about a non-religious based organisation that does charity work? All the Atheists, Universal Unitarians, and all of the religions that do not contain god work together doing charity work? I would imagine it would be like the religious based charity organisations, except that it would be staffed by non-religious believers.

 

[Francine]

I get depressed when the atheist missionaries knock on my door and relate the Bad News that there is nothing out there after I die.

 

[Fluffy]

Apart from that, (perhaps something for the PR people to publicise) what about a non-religious based organisation that does charity work?

Yeah I fully agree and, in fact, have wanted such an organisation for a long time now. There is an atheist, agnostic and secular society at my university of which I am a member but they do very little charity work which is so disappointing. They restrict themselves to university related religious issues such as opposing the monitoring of Muslim/Asian looking students by the government which is good but not good enough in my opinion.

The Richard Dawkins Foundation should be used for this purpose.

 

[rojse]

I get depressed when the atheist missionaries knock on my door and relate the Bad News that there is nothing out there after I die.

Is it as bad as people coming to my doorstep telling me I am damned to hell unless I happen to accept the religion that they have come to me to offer?

And that I can have several free pamphlets on how I can save my soul?

Atheism is not that tough a sale, though - I could imagine the doorknockers now. "You get Sundays off, for starters. You don't need to worry about judgement when you die. You can even covert your neighbour's ox."

 

[millerrod]

I don't want to leave anyone out.

It sounds depressing to think that we are just here one day then dead and gone . How would you have any hopes or dreams. At least when my life sucks i can blame God who would i blame if i didnt have God. And we all have been in situations that are totally hopeless no light at the end of the tunnel what then no one to have hope in no higher power to ask for help. it would seem like a life like that of a blade of grass here one day gone the next. i like having heaven to look forward to somedays that all i have is hope and something to look forward to. who would i talk to when i am lonly without God. Who would carry me when my own legs wont. It just sounds like a depressing way to live family fails you loved ones fail you everything at one point or another fails you but i always have God to pray to and i am never completly alone.

 

[Yerda]

Apart from that, (perhaps something for the PR people to publicise) what about a non-religious based organisation that does charity work? All the Atheists, Universal Unitarians, and all of the religions that do not contain god work together doing charity work? I would imagine it would be like the religious based charity organisations, except that it would be staffed by non-religious believers.

Why? Charity work should be inclusive.