It is about as big as yours. Have you taken to barking too. Maybe a fly bit you.
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What do you feel is wrong with atheism?
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McBell
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Wow, way to further prove her point.
texan1
Active Member
The problem in this cyberland is the inability to convey tone of voice. I didn't think my response was unfriendly.
Just trying to make the point that atheism has no dogma and is not indicative of a person's entire belief system. Atheism does not = lack of morals. I'm sorry if you feel you are getting beat up - I didn't think I threw any punches. 
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
There's only one thing wrong with the atheist, They don't believe the way I do
The way I see it is I have several alternatives:
1 :slap: beat my way of thinking into them
2:tsk: try a good tongue lashing
3:eat: ask them to my house for dinner, Hoping the way to their heart is through their stomach
4:ignore:I could ignore them
5:group: I guess I'll just love them and accept them as they are!:foryou:
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Yerda
Veteran Member
The question in the OP was about atheism, and not the tendencies or beliefs of particular atheists. Do you understand why this would affect the validity of your response?You understand of course that I was not attacking atheist but simply answering the question posed in the thread.This represents what I did not like about atheism, which is why I have chosen a different path. Of course I realize that not every atheist believes everything that I referred to in why I do not care to be an atheist. And I defend your right to disagree. What I know about atheist are the things that I learned on this forum the few months I have been here. It has been an enlightening experience. My education on atheism has been at the hands of atheist. They can be a hard bunch but I like most of them, especially the ones willing to share their beliefs.
I agree that some, not all atheist, are very emotional. It does not alter any conclusions to be emotional. But ultimately, when facts are reduced down or deduced as far as evidence will take one, I have yet had an atheist to come to a concrete conclusion. All they say is that you can not prove anything for sure or 100%. That is as close as they come to a position. It sounds like an argument of faith to me. But if that is all you have, use it.
I am not sure what you mean about atheism does not have a problem with evil but the atheist on this forum certainly discuss it often. It seems to me like they have a problem in explaining it. I would agree with you if you said everybody has this problem and maybe some don't, but that is not the experience expressed here on this forum.
It is more than fictional, humanism is by default the standard of morality for an atheist, unless he does not think that man exist either.
Don't bother to demonstrate why atheism is not a moral theory because I agree with you, which also proves my point. Humanism or any other idea of atheists do not meet the criteria for moral and ethical conduct in the Western Civilization. Now that is a fact, and many on the moral fringe would like to reverse it so they would be free to do whatever their lust and passion would lead them to.
That's what I do not like about atheism. It fails, in this case, to recognize the greatest evil of the last century, which is communism, as evil. That might be because all the little commie atheist stick together against the morals of the Western Civilization. Again, that is simply fact.
Let's see, your reference to chocolate does not make sense to me. I am sure it is not your fault, I just don't know what you are saying. Now, about the golden mean, we agree, it is meaningless to atheist.
Ontology, the theory of being, we agree. Atheist have no ontology and epistemological theories have little or nothing upon which to base knowledge, logic or reasoning in the world of atheist. It makes me wonder how they survive in a cosmological world they can not adequately explain. But, I have hundreds of eyes with which to see (that fly thing).
Now let me say again, I know many atheist will want to take me to task over my opinions, but these are my opinions and represent what I do not appreciate about the beliefs of atheist. Other than these things atheist are just like me, except they can not fly or bite.
GadFly
No, I really do not understand. I only listed those things I believe to be problems with atheism. These are the particular qualities seen in specific atheists. However, I recognize that not each atheist share all these qualities equally. But I do not understand the resentment, if there actually is any, of my listing what I do not appreciate about atheism. Where did I go wrong?
GadFly
I have, and it did: a fly named 'rye'.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I have, and it did: a fly named 'rye'.
Was it from Thailand, by any chance?
Since posting my now famous list of things that I do not like about atheism, this list also means I do not like these traits in individual atheist, Christians and/or fringe dwellers. Fringe dwellers are people who are never able to stand for anything. One day they are for, and the next day, they are not sure, and finally, if somebody upsets them, they threaten to go the other way. It's like saying I was going to be a Christian, but Charity hurt my feelings or like saying I was going to be an atheist, but Mball made me mad. I use these two because they disagree but are still great friends. They are not fringe dwellers. Being a fringe dweller is not the same as contemplating your decision to be; its like setting on eggs until they rote; and then, throwing them at people who take a real position when they pass by. All these people do is stink up the barn yard. They don't take a position, they just stay in a realm of doubt about what they believe and threaten to go to the other side if you don't measure up to what they don't think. If you don't want to discuss such issues, why belong to this forum? If you don't want to put your ideas before others to be challenged or discussed, you do not have to post any of your ideas. As far as I know, one can be a member of this forum to simply read the threads.
You don't have to put yourself above everybody else because you are not committed to a specific idea. It is not weakness to apologize if you make a mistake. On this type of forum, especially when a Christian or atheist ask for a response from the other side, tempers will fly (no pun intended) out of control. Things will be said that hurt feelings. That is life, but let's give each other a chance to apologize and reason things out. None of us are fools but sometimes there are reasons to doubt that.
11. Too many fringe dwellers attach themselves to atheist.
12. I especially dislike that atheist say there is no evidence of the supernatural, especially when I am pointing out what this evidence is. (You would not consider giving that up, would you? I didn't think so).
13. Shifting premises in logical debates while claiming to be the more logical person for not believing in God.
14. Telling me that science does not support non-material things.
15. I do not like atheist stereotyping Christians of being narrow minded and unjust because of conservative beliefs. Profiling has fallen into disrepute except when it comes to Christians by some atheist.
Please add these to my list and if I think of more things I do not like about atheism, I will feel welcome here to tell you about these as I fly around.
GadFly
You don't have to put yourself above everybody else because you are not committed to a specific idea. It is not weakness to apologize if you make a mistake. On this type of forum, especially when a Christian or atheist ask for a response from the other side, tempers will fly (no pun intended) out of control. Things will be said that hurt feelings. That is life, but let's give each other a chance to apologize and reason things out. None of us are fools but sometimes there are reasons to doubt that.
11. Too many fringe dwellers attach themselves to atheist.
12. I especially dislike that atheist say there is no evidence of the supernatural, especially when I am pointing out what this evidence is. (You would not consider giving that up, would you? I didn't think so).
13. Shifting premises in logical debates while claiming to be the more logical person for not believing in God.
14. Telling me that science does not support non-material things.
15. I do not like atheist stereotyping Christians of being narrow minded and unjust because of conservative beliefs. Profiling has fallen into disrepute except when it comes to Christians by some atheist.
Please add these to my list and if I think of more things I do not like about atheism, I will feel welcome here to tell you about these as I fly around.
GadFly
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
16. I do not like Christians using "atheist" as the plural of "atheist".
Well, flies are slow learners but if I practice, practice, and practice... man I am still trying to learn to land without sticking to honey.
.lava
Veteran Member
sticking to honey....hmm
I have come up with another thing to add to my list of why I do not like atheism. I must start at 17 since mball took over number 16.
17. I do not like it when atheist ridicule Christians. In fact, I do not like it when Christians ridicule atheist either. When you ridicule someone else you only show your ignorance of the facts. I think most atheist would agree with me about this and I think that most atheist believe in the Golden Rule in principle; what do you think?
17. I do not like it when atheist ridicule Christians. In fact, I do not like it when Christians ridicule atheist either. When you ridicule someone else you only show your ignorance of the facts. I think most atheist would agree with me about this and I think that most atheist believe in the Golden Rule in principle; what do you think?
texan1
Active Member
Yes, I would agree with this.
Fat Old Sun
Active Member
There is one glaring problem with atheism. Most people have not a clue what it is.
Okay, so that is actually a problem with people, not atheism, but the point still stands. Atheism encompasses one thing and one thing only ... no belief in god.
As you have so clearly illustrated, like many others, you have tried to impose characteristics and criteria for distinguishing religions on a belief in no religion. I know that it is much more difficult to criticize if you don't build it into something it is not for the purposes of tearing it down, but life sucks like that sometimes. Hammering square pegs into round holes is best left to the doctrine and dogma of religion.
It sounds like I agree with you if I understand what you said. In my list, the things mentioned, some of which I would not try to defend, are simply things I do not like about atheism. It does not make these true or untrue. I just don't like these. Flies are allowed to be prejudice too. That also is a civil liberty.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Want to know what I hate about people who don't believe in unicorns?
1.) Don't use turn signals in traffic.
2.) Commit atrocities such as genocide.
3.) Talk in movie theaters.
4.) Commit acts of fraud and embezzlement.
5.) Put empty milk cartons back in the fridge.
6.) Have been known to rape and murder.
7.) Screw up drive-thru fastfood orders.
8.) Make up **** about other peoples' beliefs.
9.) Their politicians are corrupt liars.
In conclusion, people who don't believe in unicorns are amoral scum!
1.) Don't use turn signals in traffic.
2.) Commit atrocities such as genocide.
3.) Talk in movie theaters.
4.) Commit acts of fraud and embezzlement.
5.) Put empty milk cartons back in the fridge.
6.) Have been known to rape and murder.
7.) Screw up drive-thru fastfood orders.
8.) Make up **** about other peoples' beliefs.
9.) Their politicians are corrupt liars.
In conclusion, people who don't believe in unicorns are amoral scum!
McBell
Unbound
Got that right!!
Fat Old Sun
Active Member
Again, no basis for this than your own ill informed prejudice. If you are here for no other purpose than to hurl your own feces, take it to the zoo with the rest of the chimps.
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