What do you hate about Christ (Christianity)?

[Catholicus]

No, it is the combination of Greek, Roman and Judaeo-Christian tradition. Democracy e.g. is not Christian, it is Greek.

Greek "democracy" was men-only and slave-owning.

Christianity invented the West from the ruins of the Graeco-Roman classical world.

 

[Valjean]

How are we defining "the world?" Didn't Confucianism transform the Middle Kingdom? Is China not a large part of the world?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Hasn't Christianity always opposed science? Critical thinking endangers religion.

No, they have tried to control science and when that failed some parts adapted to incorporate science and others reject modern science.
Don't ask loaded questions and don't answer with to simple answers. Critical thinking neither endangers nor promote religion. You get different kinds of religion depending on the stance in regards to critical thinking,

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How are we defining "the world?" Didn't Confucianism transform the Middle Kingdom? Is China not a large part of the world?

We are fighting over the Right interpretation,

 

[Catholicus]

Hasn't Christianity always opposed science? Critical thinking endangers religion.

So that's why the Catholic Church insists that Christianity can be proved true by Reason ?

So that's why Galileo and many other scientists have been devout Christians ?

No; leaving aside the fiasco over Galileo - and USA Fundies - Christianity has never opposed science.

Critical thinking endangers the opponents of Christianity.

 

[Erebus]

If God sent people to Hell, what you say would be correct.

But He doesn't - people go to Hell (and stubbornly remain there) in order to be eternally evil.

The fires of Hell come from inside the evil hearts of the local inhabitants.

What I wrote still applies even if God doesn't actively send people there. The existence of Hell depends upon God not only to create it but also to allow its continued existence. Even if you argue that humans themselves created Hell, there's nothing that an omnipotent god couldn't unmake if he so desired.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Greek "democracy" was men-only and slave-owning.

Christianity invented the West from the ruins of the Graeco-Roman classical world.

What ever works for you.

Peace

 

[Catholicus]

I don't hate anything about Christ or Christianity. I see Christianity as a community to be divided, often removed from the original Teachings of Christ and no longer able to meet the needs of humanity with all its diversity.

Divided ? Thanks to the Reformation.

Diverse humanity ? - the Roman Catholic Church is the world's oldest surviving international organisation.

 

[Catholicus]

What I don't like about Jesus is specifically his bent on casting people into eternal darkness, into a furnace, and all the eternal punishment stuff he spoke of. I would otherwise consider him a fine teacher, but a good character is not motivated by fear of punishment.
As for the Bible, there is slavery, misogyny, genocide, murder, torture, death for this, execution for that, liars are called righteous, the innocent are frequently punished, children and slaves are forced to undergo non-consensual body modifications, and god makes extremely cruel demands of people (such as telling a father to sacrifice his son - which is not only very cruel on god's part but also child abuse and attempted murder on Abraham's part).

No human being is an entirely good character.

The Bible says of itself: "The written word kills; it is the Spirit that gives life."

Christianity can only be understood with the help of the Church's teachings and under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit.

The Bible also says (1 John): "God is Kindness."

 

[Catholicus]

I don't hate Jesus. I just have problems with Christianity. First, if Jesus was God, He should have known how man could corrupt things and stated things that would prevent "Christians" from corrupting things. There are tens of thousands of denominations. None agree with each other. They are all right and the others are all wrong. What happened to the body of Christ? The church is broken. Second, there are so many hateful and negative "Christians". What happened to the love of Jesus, the joy that everyone is supposed to feel? What happened to loving your neighbor which is what Jesus said was the most important thing except loving God. It isn't either or. It is both. What happened to Christianity to bring it to this point? If Jesus is God, why didn't He answer these things in advance so that Christianity could not become what it is now? If He was God, He would have known that this is important to do. Please explain all of this to me.

"The church is broken" ?

Yes, the Reformation broke it. Thanks for your powerful pro-Catholic argument.

Jesus knew that people would muck-up His religion; but He had to found it nonetheless. Was doing nothing an option for Him ?

The absolute goodness of Jesus as a guiding star, has always prevented Christianity from going off the rails entirely.

Hence quarrels among Christians are gradually healing; whereas quarrels among Muslims are getting steadily worse.

 

[Catholicus]

How is atheism make believe? It's the default position, or at least agnosticism is, before we are taught about any deities.

The existence of the universe is visible proof of God's existence.

Deism is thus the default position.

The Atheist universe - existing magically of its own accord and functioning rationally (and holding itself in existence) similarly by magical means - is more absurd than any religion ever invented.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

"The church is broken" ?

Yes, the Reformation broke it. Thanks for your powerful pro-Catholic argument.

Jesus knew that people would muck-up His religion; but He had to found it nonetheless. Was doing nothing an option for Him ?

The absolute goodness of Jesus as a guiding star, has always prevented Christianity from going off the rails entirely.

Hence quarrels among Christians are gradually healing; whereas quarrels among Muslims are getting steadily worse.

And here we go again. Even before the Reformation there wasn't one Church. Your bias is showing.

 

[Catholicus]

Is the night sky evidence of your God, or of any God?

Ciao

- viole

Yes. Except for the wilfully-blind.

 

[Catholicus]

Which god? There are many creator gods.

But only One that actually exists.

 

[Catholicus]

And here we go again. Even before the Reformation there wasn't one Church. Your bias is showing.

There was, albeit from 1054 in schism between Greeks and Latins. (For cultural and political reasons, not religious ones).

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The existence of the universe is visible proof of God's existence.

Deism is thus the default position.

The Atheist universe - existing magically of its own accord and functioning rationally (and holding itself in existence) similarly by magical means - is more absurd than any religion ever invented.

Any positive claim of knowledge, of what reality really is independent of the human experience other than independent, is absurd.

 

[Catholicus]

Then what caused god? Why should we assume this "god" is a first cause/stop there?

Because God doesn't have a cause.

God is the starting point and the Uncreated.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But only One that actually exists.

The word "exists" is philosophy and actually empty of meaning, if you checked.

 

[Catholicus]

Sounds like the creator(s) of this immoral and unjust experiment need questioned then for this very dark world.

The universe was created good - but Satan and His angels poisoned it.

The world was good until human sin (egged on by Satan) darkened it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Because God doesn't have a cause.

God is the starting point and the Uncreated.

In your understanding. But from that doesn't follow that God is Christian. You can do the first unmoved mover without being Christian.