What do you know about Islam?

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Onkarah you still didnt tell me what you've learnt until now about ISlam ?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

making the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a sacred cow in Islamic doctrine.

Its just that we are bros and sis, and brothers and sisters feel pain for each other. So yes its an Islamic issue not only a palestinian one.


But as I said, if we continue this discussion we'll be out of subject, I wish you could start another thread Inshallah to talk about this topic

And why are you so angry when we talk about the subject??

Pathetic anti-semitic drivel, please clean the corner of your mouth, you've got a bit of foam there.

Breaking deals is a well known fact about Israel, so nothing to get angry about I guess ??

 

[Onkara]

Tell me what have you learnt until now, thats what Im curious about , and thats the purpose behind this thread

Hi Fatima
I have read up to chapter 15. I am not sure I can summarise all I have learnt, could anyone? You may find the topic quickly diverses for that reason, perhaps there is something you would like to know from each one of us specifically, such as why we chose not to be Muslim or how well we think we know Islam? Just an idea

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Maybe the second part of the question:

How well each one think he/she knows about Islam?

Thanks for participating

 

[Aquitaine]

From what I know of Islam it is a religion, and thus like all religions it is pretty much defined by the followers. It's centered around the 5 pillars of Islam and Prophets. Thousands of Prophets were sent but the primary focus is on one Prophet called Mohammed.

To my knowledge, a basic Muslim is someone who believes Allah is their Creator, prays/fasts and reads the Koran. There is some conflict of ideology within Islam itself mostly between two sects: the Shias and the Sunnis.

In a nut-shell that's basically what I know about Islam, correct me if any of the details are wrong.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

.what i dont understand is why muslims dont beleive that he was sent from heaven and that He was always there even before His birth on earth.

Maybe because it is very hard to understand it, logically speaking.

Maybe you could try to expand a bit about the issue ?? Thanks a lot for participating with your thoughts

 

[*Anne*]

How well each one think he/she knows about Islam?

Not well at all.

I have found that I enjoy reading the Hadith.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

From what I know of Islam it is a religion, and thus like all religions it is pretty much defined by the followers. It's centered around the 5 pillars of Islam and Prophets. Thousands of Prophets were sent but the primary focus is on one Prophet called Mohammed.

To my knowledge, a basic Muslim is someone who believes Allah is their Creator, prays/fasts and reads the Koran. There is some conflict of ideology within Islam itself mostly between two sects: the Shias and the Sunnis.

In a nut-shell that's basically what I know about Islam, correct me if any of the details are wrong.

Nothing to correct I guess , thanks for sharing

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Not well at all.

I have found that I enjoy reading the Hadith.

Have you came across the hadith thread made by Cordoba in the Islam DIR?

I think you'll enjoy it Inshallah

 

[LuisDantas]

I would like to know about each person what they know about Islam?

Islam is a revealed religion of the Abrahamic tradition. It is the most strictly monotheistic religion in existence, and possibly ever to exist. It is closely linked to politics, and has always been.

One of its main tenets is that the Torah and the Gospels were genuine revelations, but were not taken good care of. Therefore, God saw fit to make a new and final revelation by way of the much steemed Prophet Mohammed.

It is also not very tolerant of Atheism. I believe that, too, has always been true. In fact, I consider the main challenge of Islam as a whole to be acceptance of the diversity of beliefs. I have more than a little suspicion that many Muslims are ill at ease imagining any future that does not involve eventual conversion of the whole of mankind to Islam. That is a major problem, because IMO not much more than about half of mankind has a mindset compatible with the Abrahamic faiths.

Above all else, it values devotion and submission to God (that is in fact where its name comes from - "Islam" means "submission"). Its scriptures are the Quran and the Hadiths. The Quran was written by Mohammed himself along a period of time. The Hadiths are contemporary to it, and were written by close associates of his.

The ultimate goal of Islam is to unite all people under submission to God's will as revealed by the Quran and interpreted by its priests, in a theocratic state. However, there is considerable internal distress about the correct interpretation of that Revelation, and a major division between Shias and Sunnis, which often enough becomes ugly and even violent. Shias and Sunnis have different sets of religious authorities and often share the same geographical territory, albeit not always in harmony.

As for moral values, Islam is all about proper behavior, particularly the virtues of modesty, hospitality, respect for family and other authorities.

And, of course, it has more than a little appreciation for the Arab language among other reasons because its tenets include a warranty from God that the original, Arabic-language Quran can not and will not ever be corrupted in its form.

 

[*Anne*]

Have you came across the hadith thread made by Cordoba in the Islam DIR?

I think you'll enjoy it Inshallah

Yes, I've been reading it.

 

[kejos]

Islam is a revealed religion of the Abrahamic tradition.

It's a religion based on a book written by humans, borrowing and adapting from the Bible what is outdated, but contradicting what is not.

Just what Christophobes wanted, and still want.

 

[Aquitaine]

Maybe the second part of the question:

How well each one think he/she knows about Islam?

Thanks for participating

I've had the fortune of being able to debate with Muslims here on RF, and although I do not know the more deeper aspects of Islam, I think I have a very basic understanding of how (for the most part) the religion operates and what Muslims believe.

So no, I'm no expert on Islam. However, personally I do not believe in it's claims of being divine etc etc - but then again I don't believe any religion is <---- Agnostic.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Thank you for sharing Luis , though some comments have to be added:

It is also not very tolerant of Atheism.

It just give evidence for the contrary

The Quran was written by Mohammed himself along a period of time.

Mohammad peace be upon him was illiterate, read his biography and you'll find out Inshallah. It was his companions who used to write down the verses sent to him.

The Hadiths are contemporary to it, and were written by close associates of his.

I just want to make sure that you know hadiths are the prophet's sallalahu' alayhi wassalam sayings ? And that they were written by his companions to pass it to the next generations?

However, there is considerable internal distress about the correct interpretation of that Revelation, and a major division between Shias and Sunnis, which often enough becomes ugly and even violent. Shias and Sunnis have different sets of religious authorities and often share the same geographical territory, albeit not always in harmony.

Actually , the division between shias and sunnis is not upon interpretation of Quran rather its due to historical facts, but the main reason is shias contradiciting the principles of Islam, wich makes the difference intolerable. Because the difference of opinions is a very well know thing in Islam upon secondary rulings, not upon principles. So when principles are contradicted, then the difference is not tolerable anymore, and those who contradict it (their scholars) are considered as out of the fold of Islam, while the laypeople are excused for ignorance.

In fact, I consider the main challenge of Islam as a whole to be acceptance of the diversity of beliefs.

If you mean by diversity, letting them live in peace, then Allah says:Quran ( 2:256)
[SIZE=+1]256. There is no compulsion in religion.[/SIZE]

But as you stated:

The ultimate goal of Islam is to unite all people under submission to God's

So unity under submission (Islam), then whoever wants to believe something other than Islam then he is free to do so as Allah states in that verse

Thank you for sharing your view with us

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

I've had the fortune of being able to debate with Muslims here on RF, and although I do not know the more deeper aspects of Islam, I think I have a very basic understanding of how (for the most part) the religion operates and what Muslims believe.

So no, I'm no expert on Islam. However, personally I do not believe in it's claims of being divine etc etc - but then again I don't believe any religion is <---- Agnostic.

Of course, no atheist believe so , but theres a difference between one who read Quran and one who didnt read it, so which one are you?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Kejos, as long as you do not correct your manners in adressing other peoples beliefs, we have nothing to discuss

 

[kejos]

[SIZE=+1]256. There is no compulsion in religion.[/SIZE]

Christianity was the commonest religion of North Africa before 600 AD. Why not now?

 

[kejos]

Kejos, as long as you do not correct your manners in adressing other peoples beliefs, we have nothing to discuss

That's false accusation. Because there is no fact or logic in Islam?

 

[Caladan]

If you mean by diversity, letting them live in peace, then Allah says:Quran ( 2:256)
[SIZE=+1]256. There is no compulsion in religion.[/SIZE]

And yet in the land in which you live in, Islam was first introduced by a military invasion led by the Umayyads.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Christianity was the commonest religion of North Africa before 600 AD. Why not now?

Arab christians now are the strongest proof that there was no compulsion on them to accept Islam, otherwise you wont find any chistian in the arab world or any land conquered by muslims.

If they are not the commonest, that means either they reverted ( you know that whole countries used to revert in the time of conquers?? ) , or left because they did not like being under muslims maybe. But I dont think its the latter, since at that time christians were living far better under muslims than under christians themselves in the european world and other, where the church used to bring poverty and injustice to their countries, and thats a very well known fact I guess.