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What do you know about Islam?

Badran

Badran

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Premium Member
LuisDantas said:
Kejos' foolish errands aside, yes, that is indeed what I am asking.
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There isn't a standard explanation for it that i'm aware of, but there are explanations of course. In the Islam DIR there must be a few, i'll try to find you a couple of threads addressing this and i'll post the links.
 
Badran

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
kejos said:
Point of view.
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LuisDantas said:
POV is short form for "Point Of View", Badran.
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Thanks.

Kejos, of course Abraham can only have one point of view. You believe Christianity to be that one, and Islam a false religion. And we believe that Islam is that one, and Christianity and Judaism to be changed or corrupted in certain areas, and i'm sure you already know that.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
kejos said:
That's no surprise, since the Qur'an contradicts itself, though the contradiction is carefully disguised in an apparent mess of aleatory disorganisation.

Oh, you do that already.

What does Islam rest upon? The assertion that there is one deity, which, in the context of the poisonous trinitarian heresy, is contradiction of Christianity- apparently- while actually promoting the notion that trinitarianism is Christian. The assertion that Muhammad is the man to listen to, without any evidence for same. Simple bigotry.

Then there are three legalisms miscopied from the Bible and fake Judaism- prayer, charity and fasting. The prayer is formal, in serried ranks under supervision to extinguish individuality and retain control. That charity is enforced betrays the absence of personal desire. In other faiths, charity is voluntary. The fasting is likewise, though it's hardly fasting when it does not last even one whole day.

These three legalisms give an illusion of merit, but fit well with this prophecy:

'People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power.' 2 Ti 3:2-5 NIV

Then there is pilgrimage, to reinforce the worship (for that is what it is, like the Mariolatry of RCism) of Muhammad, the prophesied antichrist.

'"Many false prophets will appear and fool many people."' Mt 24:11 GNB
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Funny how this post is just as valid if you replace the word Quran with Bible and the word Mohammed with Jesus....
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
kejos said:
Absolutely. Your argument's head is in the basket.
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Naw, it's actually a rather healthy little pup.

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Wait a sec. I think I found the problem.
*Runs over to kejos and looks into his left eye*

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nameless

nameless

The Creator
A-ManESL said:
Hi nameless.

I have nothing to say about Muslim rulers did. This thread isnt about them, its about Islam, the religion. Thats exactly the point I was making. No valid religion advocates violence, but people often use religion as an excuse. Be it Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam etc all have been used as an excuse some or the other time.
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A-ManESL, by saying so, i didnt mean i confirmed islam does not supports violence..... nor i confirmed islam supports violence.


Honestly, cannot agree to your point completely. The reason im saying so, is because as i stated before, while islam having tremendous record for conquests, buddhism has none, and it is not coincidence i believe.
As you suggested, i went through mongolian buddhists violence, but refering some sources i have the feeling that it was not at all a 'religious' conquest for many reasons, still not sure. I can explain if you are interested....

A-ManESL said:
In India, agriculture can flourish, not so in Mongolia, and so warfare for control of limited resources is natural.

Regards
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if that was the reason, how did religion came in between? why there was forced conversions and murdering of sikhs and hindus? why women were treated so badly? still these days muslims in pakistan practices the same...... is it limited resources the reason which makes them do so?
 
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Satans_Serrated_Edge

Satans_Serrated_Edge

Deicidal
tumbleweed41 said:
truthseeker said:
what i know about islam is the quran is a book of hate - i have nothing against muslims - just the quran
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Have ever read it?
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I am no friend to trolls or ignorance, but this guy does make a valid (albeit probably accidental) point. I have a quran in my bathroom, in a stack with my SB and a copy of the NIV pocket bible. I read from them all as I poo.

Sometimes just for fun I will randomly open the quran and try to find a page that doesn't offer threats to unbelievers. It's a very rare thing to find one that doesn't . Try it sometime. Almost every single page has something bad to say about non-muslims.
 
A-ManESL

A-ManESL

Well-Known Member
nameless said:
A-ManESL, by saying so, i didnt mean i confirmed islam does not supports violence..... nor i confirmed islam supports violence.


Honestly, cannot agree to your point completely. The reason im saying so, is because as i stated before, while islam having tremendous record for conquests, buddhism has none, and it is not coincidence i believe.
As you suggested, i went through mongolian buddhists violence, but refering some sources i have the feeling that it was not at all a 'religious' conquest for many reasons, still not sure. I can explain if you are interested....
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I don't know what books you read on Buddhist violence and with what depth they treated this issue. I suggest you at least name the sources, but maybe after starting a different thread, for this is about a different topic.

An excerpt from the book "Buddhist warfare" regarding Buddhism in Mongolia.


The second conversion of the Mongols to Buddhism took place in the latter part of the sixteenth century. Since then until the first decades of the twentieth century, Mongolian Buddhist khans, nobles, and Buddhist monastics engaged more than once in acts of violence on behalf of their Buddhist faith. Their acts of violence manifested in various ways: the forceful replacement of Shamanism with Buddhism as a state religion, engagement in Buddhist sectarian wars, the implementation of harsh penal systems, and so on.​
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if that was the reason, how did religion came in between? why there was forced conversions and murdering of sikhs and hindus? why women were treated so badly? still these days muslims in pakistan practices the same...... is it limited resources the reason which makes them do so?
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lol...you still don't get my point. I could make same arguments against Hinduism, why sati, why rape and murder in Gujarat, why Graham Staines burnt alive, why Kandhamal ... Does all this mean Hinduism is bad! No of course not. Bad people do bad things, they find excuses for that. Whether Hinduism, whether Islam, whether any concept, ideology etc if it can be used by them for their designs they do it.

And yes, Arabia, Mongolia etc were places where warfare was a way of life since centuries before Islam. This was primarily because of the social and economic conditions there.

That said, I think its not constructive to keep stating the same points again and again, by you, or by me.

Regards.
 
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