Kelly of the Phoenix
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I will become a beautiful coral reef or a tree. Haven't decided.Death is the end of life. Nothing happens afterwards.
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I will become a beautiful coral reef or a tree. Haven't decided.Death is the end of life. Nothing happens afterwards.
End of the road. Nothing while dead, returning to nothing. For some it is a relief of pain, mental and physical, even economical. So, while death is mentioned as an enemy, the Bible also shows us how some wicked ones are not permitted to die early since this would bring their suffering to an end.It's a very simple question. What happens when we die? What are you true feelings on the subject. Do you believe what other people tell you is true. Or do you have your own ideas on the subject.
Here are my thoughts: I think when we die we look into the face of God and become mesmerized by God's infinite beauty. Time stops and we experience eternal Heavenly bliss. Everyone gets to have this experience regardless of our Earthly sins. I think my way of looking at this matches the evidence we have from near death experiences.
Even though looking into the face of God lasts only a few nanoseconds, it feels like eternity. Eventually the brain's electricity dissipates and conscious thought stops. But who cares. Once you look into the face of God experiencing God's infinite beauty is there anything else left to do. I don't think so.
Is this a good thing or bad thing. I think everything in life is "good". It's all good!
Do you have to wait for Jesus to return before you are resurrected? What about people who are not Christians, do they remain dead in their graves? What is supposed to happen after the body is resurrected from a grave? Where does it go then?So........ what do I think happens to us in death is.... I look at scripture, and it says that basically, when we die, we cease to exist. When we are dead, we are dead. No afterlife, no nothing. Wow, so what is our hope? Scripture tells us that it is the resurrection. That is what we hope for. Then and only then are we, if accepted, given our rewards and promises, eternal life.
The Bible was written for another age in history, before people were ready to understand what really awaits us in the afterlife and what the soul is. What was not revealed in the Bible has now been revealed, the many things Jesus spoke of that we could not bear, so we now know that there is an eternal soul that separates from the body upon death, takes on another form, and continues to exist forever in the spiritual world. All humans have eternal souls, no matter what they believe or disbelieve. The state of the soul after death will differ among individuals but all souls can continue to progress after they separate from the body.No where in scripture does it talk about an "immortal soul". In fact, those two words are never found together in the bible at all. "Soul" in the org. lang, means someone who is alive, a living, breathing frame. That's all. Adam "became" a soul, he did not get one.
Yes, the body dies, but the soul lives on and goes to the spiritual world and takes on another form made up of heavenly elements in the spiritual realm.When we die all of our body parts die with us. Our liver, kidneys, etc. Our brains die too. Our brains make us think and dream and do many tasks. So now we cant do any of that. I think people in the world are afraid of death. They dont want to hear someone tell them that when you die, that's it. They want to hear that you can still live and praise God and watch your Grandchildren grow up and everything is going to be fine. Scripture knows nothing of that. An afterlife comes from pagan beliefs from Egypt, Babylon, etc..........
1Cor 15 does not have the resurrected Jesus with a body. In 1 Corinthians 15:12-22, Some Christians believe that Paul was referring to a spiritual resurrection. http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htmIf you have a moment, read 1 Cor 15.
The lights go out.It's a very simple question. What happens when we die? What are you true feelings on the subject. Do you believe what other people tell you is true. Or do you have your own ideas on the subject.
Here are my thoughts: I think when we die we look into the face of God and become mesmerized by God's infinite beauty. Time stops and we experience eternal Heavenly bliss. Everyone gets to have this experience regardless of our Earthly sins. I think my way of looking at this matches the evidence we have from near death experiences.
Even though looking into the face of God lasts only a few nanoseconds, it feels like eternity. Eventually the brain's electricity dissipates and conscious thought stops. But who cares. Once you look into the face of God experiencing God's infinite beauty is there anything else left to do. I don't think so.
Is this a good thing or bad thing. I think everything in life is "good". It's all good!
I'd love to see that... I am new here so I don't know how to find it... I am not a naysayer by any means..Experienced it post TBI 24/02/82 ... expressed it in my NDE discussion here on a similar discussion ..
Not willing to argue over it with the nay sayers....
It's a very simple question. What happens when we die? What are you true feelings on the subject. Do you believe what other people tell you is true. Or do you have your own ideas on the subject.
Here are my thoughts: I think when we die we look into the face of God and become mesmerized by God's infinite beauty. Time stops and we experience eternal Heavenly bliss. Everyone gets to have this experience regardless of our Earthly sins. I think my way of looking at this matches the evidence we have from near death experiences.
Even though looking into the face of God lasts only a few nanoseconds, it feels like eternity. Eventually the brain's electricity dissipates and conscious thought stops. But who cares. Once you look into the face of God experiencing God's infinite beauty is there anything else left to do. I don't think so.
Is this a good thing or bad thing. I think everything in life is "good". It's all good!
“Know thou that every hearing ear, if kept pure and undefiled, must, at all times and from every direction, hearken to the voice that uttereth these holy words: “Verily, we are God’s, and to Him shall we return.”What source called us into existence. The former forms, and we are made. We return to the source.
“Know thou that every hearing ear, if kept pure and undefiled, must, at all times and from every direction, hearken to the voice that uttereth these holy words: “Verily, we are God’s, and to Him shall we return.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 345
It makes me a tiny bit uncomfortable admitting this, as George and I only agree in a few areas, but on this topic there are distinct similarities in what we believe.My opinion is that the early stages after death can best be understood by looking at reports from the Near Death Experiencers that leave their body and see things from an outside the physical body perspective and then move/tunnel to experience on a non-physical (astral) plane of reality.
Beyond that initial stage, growing and greater understanding occurs in this astral/heaven plane and eventually the soul will in most cases see the need for new physical experiences (reincarnation). The eventual end after eons is the realization that life and consciousness are all One and we will be beyond the illusion of separateness and individual ego experiences.
I think it's our brain capability for insight and ego that brings about such questions to the forefront. I think " existence" starts with the enabling of self-identity.Sincere question: why are we in this existence in the first place. It's not like I willed to be here.
I think it's our brain capability for insight and ego that brings about such questions to the forefront. I think " existence" starts with the enabling of self-identity.
I think it's a fair notion to say our atomic makeup has always been in existence through one form or another, essentially rendering us timeless and ageless. "We've" always been around.
I sometimes toy with thinking just how old each individual atom in our body in attempts to ascertain ones true age to start with.
We may not have willed ourselves to be here. Yet who we are are has been here all the while.
The short answer is because this world is preparation for the spiritual world... As we acquired physical arms and legs in the womb world, we acquire spiritual arms and legs in this material world. If we do not acquire those here we will be handicapped in the spiritual world...Sincere question: why are we in this existence in the first place. It's not like I willed to be here.
The short answer is because this world is preparation for the spiritual world... As we acquired physical arms and legs in the womb world, we acquire spiritual arms and legs in this material world. If we do not acquire those here we will be handicapped in the spiritual world...
So what we acquire here by way of good character is what we will need for the spiritual world... Unfortunately that entails suffering, more for some of us than others but that just reminded me of another passage:
“Men who suffer not, attain no perfection. The plant most pruned by the gardeners is that one which, when the summer comes, will have the most beautiful blossoms and the most abundant fruit.
The labourer cuts up the earth with his plough, and from that earth comes the rich and plentiful harvest. The more a man is chastened, the greater is the harvest of spiritual virtues shown forth by him. A soldier is no good General until he has been in the front of the fiercest battle and has received the deepest wounds.” Paris Talks, p. 51
I know that is no consolation, but is is an explanation.... If you want to know anything else, just ask.. I have plenty of explanations for just about everything, even if they do not make the pain go away. But the good news is that this material world is just a very small part of our total existence.
Well. I have had no such experiences personally, but take the consensus understanding of those who I feel know their stuff.It makes me a tiny bit uncomfortable admitting this, as George and I only agree in a few areas, but on this topic there are distinct similarities in what we believe.
My own ideas about life after death are a direct result of my numerous out-of-body (OOB) experiences. Contrary to George, I'm not a big fan of the notion of a so-called "astral plane" and am more inclined to see things as psychological gestalts that are incredibly rich areas of investigation. (This should not be confused with Gestalt Psychology, LOL.)
My view has no problem with that as any narrow views are sure to be expanded.In the initial stages, post physical death, the individual will experience pretty much what they expect to experience, regardless of what those expectations entail. This stage culminates into an awakening, if you will, where the individual is "introduced" to their larger identity and that's where the real fun begins.
Yes, that's exactly it.Necessary growth, like baby steps in a new world.
To me if a God exists, this universe is outside of God's will.Yes, that's exactly it.
If a universe exists and God created it, how could it be outside of God's will?To me if a God exists, this universe is outside of God's will.
How can God create anything less than perfection?