Jesus had no "new" teachings.....that is the point. He was a Jew and he had the very same scriptures as the Jewish leaders had....but the Pharisees built a fence around the Law, adding their own interpretation of how the law should be understood.....this is what Jesus came to correct. He did not come to start a new religion, he came to clean up the old one. There was nothing wrong with the Jewish faith based on the Hebrew scriptures....it was the Jewish leadership that caused the problems by deviating from God's word.
Are you saying that Jesus brought nothing new at all?What about Jesus’ message of love and forgiveness? I do not recall that was a message Moses gave.
Baha’is believe that every religion is based upon the teachings of the Manifestation of God who reveal those teachings, the Founder of that Faith. So Moses was the Founder of Judaism and He had a mission but Jesus had a different mission. The mission of Moses was to free the Israelites from bondage and bring the Ten Commandments. According to the Baha’i Faith, the mission of Jesus was the redemption of the individual and the molding of his conduct, and stressed, as its central theme, the necessity of inculcating a high standard of morality and discipline into man, as the fundamental unit in human society.Had the Moses done these things?
Jesus was not sent to the self-righteous Pharisees, whom he castigated at every opportunity (as did John the Baptist) He was sent to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel"......and he understood why they were lost and he reclaimed them for his Father by teaching them the truth and by showing them by his own example what the Father was really like. When it was apparent that the religious leaders were only interested in their own position and comfort, he pronounced judgment upon them...
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Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.
38 Look!
Your house is abandoned to you.39 For I say to you,
you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’” (
Matthew 23:37-39)
They did to Jesus what they had always done when confronted with an inconvenient truth. God's abandonment of the Jews was permanent because even though individual Jews could become believers in Christ.....as a nation, God cast them off as covenant breakers who will never bless the name of Jesus Christ, but will find every excuse to deny him.
Well, from my perspective, God’s abandonment of the Jews was because they rejected Jesus as the Son of God, or even as a Prophet of God. The early Jews (Scribes and Pharisees) did object to Jesus because He annulled the laws of divorce and of the Sabbath day, the weightiest of all the laws of Moses. They also did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah because He did not fulfill all the prophecies in the OT, only some of the prophecies. I believe that is valid because Jesus did not fulfill the OT prophecies that refer to the Messiah of the latter days, the Promised One of Jewish scripture; although Jesus was a Messiah, just not that one.
To this very day Judaism rejects Jesus and the NT and it is mostly because they do not believe Jesus was their Messiah. But from a Baha’i perspective, the Jews should have accepted Jesus as a Manifestation of God and their Savior. Baha’u’llah had some words to say about the Jews’ rejection of Jesus:
“These people of Israel are even unto the present day still expecting that Manifestation which the Bible hath foretold! ………… And this for no other reason except that Israel refused to apprehend the meaning of such words as have been revealed in the Bible concerning the signs of the coming Revelation. As she never grasped their true significance, and, to outward seeming, such events never came to pass, she, therefore, remained deprived of recognizing the beauty of Jesus and of beholding the Face of God. And they still await His coming!...” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 20-21
Again, you are free to believe that, but we have come to learn from scripture that the devil is a clever mimic. Whatever God reveals and sets up, satan sets up a counterfeit that will lead people in an opposite direction.
History is not repeating with regard to your prophet at all IMO....satan has created another "Christ" to lead people away from the real one. His MO does not change, nor do his motives.
You are free to believe that along with all the other Christians, but you are basing that on no research or investigation, including investigation of your own OT and NT Bible prophecies for the return… You base it purely on fear and prejudice. It is also because of what your religion teaches that
you are not free to look at anything else, so in that sense you are no different from the Trinitarians. Mormons by contrast are encouraged to investigate other religions.
Baha’u’llah was not another Christ. He was the return of the Spirit of Christ in another man. The reason Christians rejected Him and still do is because He was not the same body of Jesus that they believe ascended and will return, but the same body of Jesus cannot return because it died.
Baha’is do not believe in the devil as a separate entity outside of us. We believe the satanic self is our own lower selfish nature. You have a valid point about false prophets because Jesus warned against them in Matthew 7:16-20 and in Matthew 24:23-24. However, logically speaking, just because there are some false prophets or false Christs does not mean
there cannot be a true Christ. Moreover, Jesus gave other warnings, telling Christians to be watching so as not to miss the return of the Son of man: Luke 12:39, Matthew 24:42-44, Mark 13:32-34, 2 Peter 3:10-13.
Interestingly, Jesus never referred to the Son of man in the first person or claimed to be the Son of man, nor did Jesus ever promise to return in the same body, which would be impossible since the body of Jesus died and only the Spirit of Jesus ascended. So it only makes sense that it would be the Spirit of Jesus that would return in another body, another man. That was promised in John 14, 15, and 16, when Jesus promised to send the Comforter and the Spirit of truth from the Father.
Baha’u’llah fulfilled all the OT and NT prophecies for the return of Christ and they are all in the book entitled
Thief in the Night. One of the prophecies He fulfilled was Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. He came from the east like lightening and that is explained in the book.
Who told you that? Where does Paul teach differently to Jesus? He was taught by Jesus.
Paul taught some things that Jesus had not taught. That does not mean the Gospel message was
totally changed but it was changed. In effect it was added to and what was added was not what Jesus ever said.
That is your belief and you are welcome to it. I can't even say the guy's name.
Islam is not the true religion....Jesus was not a Muslim, so even if Bah'ai is a breakaway from Islam....its still a breakaway from the wrong religion to start with.
Baha’is do not believe that there is only one true religion. We believe that all the divinely revealed religions are true. There is only one religion, the religion of God, and it is revealed successively throughout the ages, according to the needs of humanity at the time of revelation. That is called
Progressive Revelation. God is the All-Knowing Physician.
“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 213
Christendom is hopelessly lost for the same reason Judaism got hopelessly lost. When you examine what the Bible really teaches, you find that fake religion has more converts than true religion. With man's emphasis on what he wants, that is not surprising.
I agree about that. So what is it you think that man wants, just to be saved and forgiven and go to heaven? How is that different from JW beliefs?
Not sure what you are saying here. Jesus was resurrected as a spirit. i.e given a new spiritual body. As a spirit being, he manifested himself in the flesh as other spirit beings had done before. (Jews were forbidden by law to communicate with spirits, so they materialized as humans.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12) Before he ascended to heaven Jesus spent 40 days on earth after his resurrection. He did not stay with his apostles and only "appeared" to them throughout that period.
On one occasion he appeared in a locked room and then just vanished before their eyes. This was a spirit being manifesting himself in the flesh.....but not in the body he sacrificed.
My belief is that the Spirit of Jesus was resurrected three days after Jesus was crucified because after three days the disciples being disheartened the Cause of Jesus became alive again. The disciples were disheartened after the crucifixion of Jesus so the Reality of Christ (which means His teachings, His bounties, His perfections and His spiritual power) was lost for two or three days. So the Cause of Christ was like a lifeless body, but after three days the disciples became assured and steadfast, and began to serve the Cause of Christ, so the Reality of Christ was revived and the life and the bounty of the Holy Spirit surrounded it.
That is completely different from what happened to the body of Jesus. I believe His body died and His soul rose to heaven and took on another form, a spiritual body comprised of elements in the spiritual realm. Unlike you, I do not believe that spiritual bodies can manifest in the flesh. Once a soul has become a spiritual body in heaven it remains forever a spiritual body and it can never return to earth because only physical bodies can live on earth.
You said:
“As a spirit being, he manifested himself in the flesh as other spirit beings had done before.” I do not believe a spirit can
become flesh because flesh once dead remains dead. However, I heard another Baha’i say that what they thought happened after Jesus died and was seen by the disciples is that Jesus manifested himself as a Spirit body that could be seen by them, but it was just a vision, not a physical body as they thought it was.