What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

[Starlight]

What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

 

[Spice]

Not a fan. See my post in your thread "Why do you believe in the Biblical God."

My biggest issue is explained in his own words found in 1 Corinthians 9 -- I don't care for that person's view.

 

[Starlight]

Not a fan. See my post in your thread "Why do you believe in the Biblical God."

My biggest issue is explained in his own words found in 1 Corinthians 9 -- I don't care for that person's view.

I have read 1 Corinthians 9 now. What did you not like in 1 Corinthians 9? and why are you not a fan of paul? I am just curious

 

[Kathryn]

He's fine but I prefer Peter to Paul.

 

[Starlight]

He's fine but I prefer Peter to Paul.

why?

 

[Eddi]

What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

He was vital to making the following Jesus had into an actual religion

 

[Tinkerpeach]

I don’t like or dislike anyone in the Bible.

They are events used by God to get His message out and it’s that message that I focus on.

Paul means nothing more to me than the guy down the street.

 

[Kathryn]

why?

I like him better than I like Paul. I relate to him better. I like Paul fine though overall.

How do you feel about Paul?

 

[Spice]

I have read 1 Corinthians 9 now. What did you not like in 1 Corinthians 9? and why are you not a fan of paul? I am just curious

In the Gospels, Jesus and his disciples ask for nothing and expect nothing, though they accept what is offered. And yes, though I don't remember the passage or enough of the wording to pull it up, Apostles did travel ahead to arrange accommodations. Still, one of Jesus biggest lessons is not to worry about getting what you need, for God will provide. Matthew 6:25-33

Now in 1 Corinthians 9, Paul is complaining, boasting, comparing himself to temple priests, and expecting to be taken care of because of who he says he is. In verse 12 he says if they do it for others, doesn't he and his deserve so more? In verse 14 he misrepresents Jesus's words, IMO, by writing that the Lord said those who proclaim the Gospel should get their living by the Gospel. By this statement, in my interpretation, he misrepresents the entire Gospel message. In verses 20-22 he clearly admits he intentionally misrepresents himself, and IMO, that is quite a sin in one of his chosen position.

IMO, Saul of Taurus never met Jesus on the road to Damascus, but rather saw an opportunity for himself as he went about making his living as executioner and "switched sides" for personal gain. I believe he did get caught up in his masquerade and began believing more and more of what the Apostles were saying, and I think he wrote some wise things here and there. But were they his, or did play off of what he heard the others teach? He had plenty common friends - Luke, Mark, Timothy, and Peter, who for some reason, had a soft spot for him. Perhaps that's how Peter did indeed become the foundation of the church -- he helped Paul continue.

I read Paul's epistles, but I always, always try to consider what Jesus would have thought of his words, and they rarely match up.

 

[soulsurvivor]

What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

Paul on women:
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church I Cor 14.34-35
"A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve." 1 Timothy 2:11-13
Paul on sex (including gay sex): "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men....will inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
On non-believers: "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14-16

Other than the passages above, which are not really controversial for that period, Paul was a good man and preached love and kindness towards all, very much like Jesus.

 

[Starlight]

In the Gospels, Jesus and his disciples ask for nothing and expect nothing, though they accept what is offered. And yes, though I don't remember the passage or enough of the wording to pull it up, Apostles did travel ahead to arrange accommodations. Still, one of Jesus biggest lessons is not to worry about getting what you need, for God will provide. Matthew 6:25-33

Now in 1 Corinthians 9, Paul is complaining, boasting, comparing himself to temple priests, and expecting to be taken care of because of who he says he is. In verse 12 he says if they do it for others, doesn't he and his deserve so more? In verse 14 he misrepresents Jesus's words, IMO, by writing that the Lord said those who proclaim the Gospel should get their living by the Gospel. By this statement, in my interpretation, he misrepresents the entire Gospel message. In verses 20-22 he clearly admits he intentionally misrepresents himself, and IMO, that is quite a sin in one of his chosen position.

IMO, Saul of Taurus never met Jesus on the road to Damascus, but rather saw an opportunity for himself as he went about making his living as executioner and "switched sides" for personal gain. I believe he did get caught up in his masquerade and began believing more and more of what the Apostles were saying, and I think he wrote some wise things here and there. But were they his, or did play off of what he heard the others teach? He had plenty common friends - Luke, Mark, Timothy, and Peter, who for some reason, had a soft spot for him. Perhaps that's how Peter did indeed become the foundation of the church -- he helped Paul continue.

I read Paul's epistles, but I always, always try to consider what Jesus would have thought of his words, and they rarely match up.

Paul thought quite highly of himself. I agree with that.

I believe that Paul actually saw Jesus, but that what he wrote about Jesus afterwards is not entirely correct. There was much about Jesus that he got wrong. After all Paul was just a human. Human beings do mistakes

 

[Starlight]

Paul on women:
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church I Cor 14.34-35
"A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve." 1 Timothy 2:11-13
Paul on sex (including gay sex): "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men....will inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
On non-believers: "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14-16

Other than the passages above, which are not really controversial for that period, Paul was a good man and preached love and kindness towards all, very much like Jesus.

I agree with you about that Paul was judgmental against women

Yes much of what Paul wrote is good and loving but Paul was much more judgmental than Jesus. Much of what he wrote goes against what Jesus himself said

Jesus was good and gentle. He did not judge others and had a great understanding of other people's suffering

 

[1213]

What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

I think like this:
Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you; as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Pet. 3:15-16

 

[Dimi95]

He's fine but I prefer Peter to Paul.

Can i ask why ?

Have you read Matthew 20?

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing.He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' So they went.

He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing.About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'

'Because no one has hired us,' they answered.

He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.'

The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 'These who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'

But he answered one of them, 'I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?'

'So the last will be first, and the first will be last'."

When you see this parable , what does it teach us as Christians?

 

[Kathryn]

Can i ask why ?

Have you read Matthew 20?

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing.He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' So they went.

He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing.About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'

'Because no one has hired us,' they answered.

He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.'

The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 'These who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'

But he answered one of them, 'I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?'

'So the last will be first, and the first will be last'."

When you see this parable , what does it teach us as Christians?

I"ve already answered your first question, so I won't repeat myself. As for your second question, sure, I'll answer it. I believe that we cannot and should not question God.

 

[Spice]

Can i ask why ?

Have you read Matthew 20?

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing.He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' So they went.

He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing.About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'

'Because no one has hired us,' they answered.

He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.'

The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 'These who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'

But he answered one of them, 'I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?'

'So the last will be first, and the first will be last'."

When you see this parable , what does it teach us as Christians?

It can teach many things, but IMO it does not put Paul before Peter in some "important disciple" line-up. Nor does it neutralize the individual importance of all. Discernment is for the individual and different is not a synonym of wrong.
An argue could be presented that this parable relates to Judas as being the most loyal Apostle. As with all faith teachings, and as Jesus stated, we cannot understand fully.

 

[Dimi95]

I"ve already answered your first question, so I won't repeat myself.

I saw the answer after..

As for your second question, sure, I'll answer it. I believe that we cannot and should not question God.

I am not talking about that.
Maybe i should be more specific.

What do you think about the parable considering the point about the workers?
I personally understand that are all equal , so in that sense Paul and Peter are the same to me.Each one of them did his ministry and contributed to the Church.

 

[Kathryn]

I saw the answer after..


I am not talking about that.
Maybe i should be more specific.

What do you think about the parable considering the point about the workers?
I personally understand that are all equal , so in that sense Paul and Peter are the same to me.Each one of them did his ministry and contributed to the Church.

I think that God knows their hearts and He is in control.

Interesting that I use that exact parable in a class I teach about jobs.

I never said for the record, that I don't value Paul. I just PREFER, personality wise, Peter.

 

[InChrist]

What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

I appreciate Paul and am grateful for his faithfulness to Jesus and spreading the gospel, despite the persecution, imprisonment, physical hardships, and more he endured. A large portion of the NT is comprised of Paul’s letters/epistles, for which I am thankful.

 

[paarsurrey]

What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

I get the following from the Jewish Encyclopedia about Saul of Tarsus aka Paul the self-acclaimed/and or unauthorized/fake Apostle of (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?:

SAUL OF TARSUS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

Right?

Regards