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What Do You Vote?
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So let me make it a bit more clear.
The dynamics are changing right before your eyes, you are watching history right before your eyes, you are living in a transition where you will see the next future candidates taking on this new model - THE PERSON(-ality) NOT THE "PARTY"... the "Party" (or Party systems) is still here, but a phase-shift has started, candidates more and more will be "less a Party and more a Person(-ality)" and the focus of the "Party" is losing one of it's "four legs" and is now a three leg "stool" but may become two legs and something you just sort of "lean on" rather then "sit in"...
This is what Trump is, and bringing.
Money? Sure - expensive to run for an office. But now with the internet and social media and such, a great candidate can raise huge amounts of money WITHOUT the "Party". Not there yet, but we are moving that way.
I predict you will soon be seeing candidates run which have NO "Party" - and more and more those voting for a Candidate (capital C) and not a "Party".
The dynamics are changing right before your eyes, you are watching history right before your eyes, you are living in a transition where you will see the next future candidates taking on this new model - THE PERSON(-ality) NOT THE "PARTY"... the "Party" (or Party systems) is still here, but a phase-shift has started, candidates more and more will be "less a Party and more a Person(-ality)" and the focus of the "Party" is losing one of it's "four legs" and is now a three leg "stool" but may become two legs and something you just sort of "lean on" rather then "sit in"...
This is what Trump is, and bringing.
Money? Sure - expensive to run for an office. But now with the internet and social media and such, a great candidate can raise huge amounts of money WITHOUT the "Party". Not there yet, but we are moving that way.
I predict you will soon be seeing candidates run which have NO "Party" - and more and more those voting for a Candidate (capital C) and not a "Party".
Draka
Wonder Woman
Watch 9 to 5 recently did you?
Skwim
Veteran Member
For those who vote Bernie instead of Democrat, the DNC establishment would rather see Jeb Bush President than Bernie, just as the RNC establishment would rather see Hillary Clinton President than Trump.
That is hecause the benefactors of establishment are the same, DNC or RNC.
Bush and Clinton are on the same team.
But the establishment is always trying to buy or threaten or coddle anyone else to "join", they will even lie to the gullible.
That is hecause the benefactors of establishment are the same, DNC or RNC.
Bush and Clinton are on the same team.
But the establishment is always trying to buy or threaten or coddle anyone else to "join", they will even lie to the gullible.
Midnight Rain
Well-Known Member
I'm thinking about registering as a democrat just so I can vote for Bernie in the primary. My biggest fear is that the majority of Bernie sanders supporters are offically "independents" while registered democrats are actually Hillary supporters. This would give a false advantage to Hillary in the primary. Bernie can't win without the DNC nomination.
Thus both parties collaborate to keep Sanders out of the media as much as possible.
To understand how much trouble Hillary is in, look at the Overtime Politics poll released today on the race in Michigan.
It has Hillary Clinton at 47% to Bernie Sanders at 40% ...
Think about it. This is Michigan we are talking about. The synopsis in the article regarding this poll says Hillary has "a significant" lead in Michigan.
No. 7 points is not "a significant lead". And this isn't Vermont, this is a major State and a Battleground State. She has more money in the State of Michigan ever in history, the guy she is running against for the Democratic nomination isn't even listed as a Democrat in his state until last year nor was he a Democrat from 1979–2015.
And she only has a 7 point lead in Michigan for crminney sake?
She may lose the primary in Michigan to Sanders, this is very possible, and I can tell you, the worst to come for her is coming, and before the primaries are even done.
http://overtimepolitics.com/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-by-7-points-in-michigan-47-40/
It has Hillary Clinton at 47% to Bernie Sanders at 40% ...
Think about it. This is Michigan we are talking about. The synopsis in the article regarding this poll says Hillary has "a significant" lead in Michigan.
No. 7 points is not "a significant lead". And this isn't Vermont, this is a major State and a Battleground State. She has more money in the State of Michigan ever in history, the guy she is running against for the Democratic nomination isn't even listed as a Democrat in his state until last year nor was he a Democrat from 1979–2015.
And she only has a 7 point lead in Michigan for crminney sake?
She may lose the primary in Michigan to Sanders, this is very possible, and I can tell you, the worst to come for her is coming, and before the primaries are even done.
http://overtimepolitics.com/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-by-7-points-in-michigan-47-40/
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't think this is likely to happen here in Michigan unless Sanders scores some upsets in the early primaries. This is more a blue-collar state, which is more up her alley than Sander's.
Here is the status as of this morning.
The latest Reuters poll national this week has Donald Trump 41.7%, Ted Cruz 13.7%, Ben Carson 10.6%, Marco Rubio 8.2%, the rest are all single digits or 1 percenters.
Just a couple of days ago 20,000 plus Trump supporters just show up out of nowhere, simple social media was used to communicate the "rally", Trump is spending very little, under $2 million, while the front super pac for Jeb Bush is spending $107 million dollars on a single ad campaign, I have to watch this ad on television here in California sponsored by "Right to Rise" Super PAC that is a front for Jeb Bush and which is attacking Rubio with some of the most lame "points" and shows the establishment has given up on Rubio and is desperately trying to turn to Christie as their last hope as the base is now rejecting Rubio as another "establishment guy" for amnesty. The ad is laughable. This Right to Rise is paid for by some Karl Rove linked pro-amnesty millionaires and special interets, Oracle's pro-open borders/cheap labor mogul Larry Ellison, chairman and chief technology officer for tech giant Oracle, gave $3 million in two donations in May and in June to Rubio but now the establishment is aiming at Rubio to smack him down to prop up Christies numbers and perhaps this "shift" will help their ultimate candidate, Jeb Bush (¡jeb! - with the upside down ! Mexican style in his posters that means "wink, wink, I will let more hordes come in and give you amnesty, vote for me!"... The same Right to Rise millionaires are sponsoring fake polls. Yo will hear a lot from some Bushies bots about how suddenly Christie is "rising".
Christie better learn, these same goons will throw him under thebus in 2 seconds by these goons who are in fact very lame, out of touch and, well, stupid.
So now hunderds are already gathering in the streets of Burlington, Vermont, the home turf of Sanders, to support Trump, how the supporters know where to show up is amazing and totally sucial media anr grass roots communicated as Trump has only spent a couple million. Trump is now running away with this.
Don't worry - Trump is now about to start spending. It is going to be quite a show.
And...
A long time ago, Hillary thought she destroyed all the demonic Dick "commie killer" Nixon's "boys". Today they are all very old, gray hair. They were not all destroyed. Some, more than you think, are still alive. Waiting. They don't even like Trump. They don't like Bush. They don't like a lot of people. They really don't like Hillary. They have been just waiting. Now they will smoke a Kool or Salem, and then they are going to do something. You watch. They are still there. Yes, Hillary, there is a Republican under your bed. But these aren't so much Republicans. They just really hate some people. They have long memories. They are feeble. But not that feeble. A few are still alive. They are very good at this. You are enough, to get them out of bed. Now watch the show.
The latest Reuters poll national this week has Donald Trump 41.7%, Ted Cruz 13.7%, Ben Carson 10.6%, Marco Rubio 8.2%, the rest are all single digits or 1 percenters.
Just a couple of days ago 20,000 plus Trump supporters just show up out of nowhere, simple social media was used to communicate the "rally", Trump is spending very little, under $2 million, while the front super pac for Jeb Bush is spending $107 million dollars on a single ad campaign, I have to watch this ad on television here in California sponsored by "Right to Rise" Super PAC that is a front for Jeb Bush and which is attacking Rubio with some of the most lame "points" and shows the establishment has given up on Rubio and is desperately trying to turn to Christie as their last hope as the base is now rejecting Rubio as another "establishment guy" for amnesty. The ad is laughable. This Right to Rise is paid for by some Karl Rove linked pro-amnesty millionaires and special interets, Oracle's pro-open borders/cheap labor mogul Larry Ellison, chairman and chief technology officer for tech giant Oracle, gave $3 million in two donations in May and in June to Rubio but now the establishment is aiming at Rubio to smack him down to prop up Christies numbers and perhaps this "shift" will help their ultimate candidate, Jeb Bush (¡jeb! - with the upside down ! Mexican style in his posters that means "wink, wink, I will let more hordes come in and give you amnesty, vote for me!"... The same Right to Rise millionaires are sponsoring fake polls. Yo will hear a lot from some Bushies bots about how suddenly Christie is "rising".
Christie better learn, these same goons will throw him under thebus in 2 seconds by these goons who are in fact very lame, out of touch and, well, stupid.
So now hunderds are already gathering in the streets of Burlington, Vermont, the home turf of Sanders, to support Trump, how the supporters know where to show up is amazing and totally sucial media anr grass roots communicated as Trump has only spent a couple million. Trump is now running away with this.
Don't worry - Trump is now about to start spending. It is going to be quite a show.
And...
A long time ago, Hillary thought she destroyed all the demonic Dick "commie killer" Nixon's "boys". Today they are all very old, gray hair. They were not all destroyed. Some, more than you think, are still alive. Waiting. They don't even like Trump. They don't like Bush. They don't like a lot of people. They really don't like Hillary. They have been just waiting. Now they will smoke a Kool or Salem, and then they are going to do something. You watch. They are still there. Yes, Hillary, there is a Republican under your bed. But these aren't so much Republicans. They just really hate some people. They have long memories. They are feeble. But not that feeble. A few are still alive. They are very good at this. You are enough, to get them out of bed. Now watch the show.
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TPaine
I believe in one God, and the equality of man.
I'm an Independent because I vote for the person whose positions I'm the most comfortable with. It would not surprise me if it is found that the Democratic National Committee threatened any Democratic office holders who refuse to endorse Queen Hillary with the loss of future DNC support. I have lost all my respect for Debby Wassermann Schultz given the way she has run the DNC during this campaign. I find it interesting that Elizabeth Warren has refused to endorse anyone yet, but has suggested that she is considering campaigning with Bernie.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I put "Independent" because I am not necessarily affiliated or vote for a specific party. Although, in recent times, I find it hard to stomach the Republican candidates, and I am not in the practice of throwing my vote away on a third party or independent candidate.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
As Will Rogers once said, "I don't belong to any organized party; I'm a Democrat".
Actually I have voted Republican and for an independent candidate at times, but I'm reluctant to do that unless there's a Democrat running whom I really don't trust (frankly, I don't trust any politician anyway, but some I trust less than others). This was a voting technique I adopted from one of my political science professors way back when, who said that it is better to vote for the party than the candidate in most cases.
His rationale is that it is the party that mostly determines the platform, and their candidates are well aware that if they want to get support from others in the party. Trump is obviously somewhat of an exception to this rule because most Republican voters are madder than hell even with their own party, but even he tow's the Republican line on most issues.
Voting just for the candidate tends to turn the average election into a popularity contest mostly based on image rather than substance.
Oops, gotta go for now.
Actually I have voted Republican and for an independent candidate at times, but I'm reluctant to do that unless there's a Democrat running whom I really don't trust (frankly, I don't trust any politician anyway, but some I trust less than others). This was a voting technique I adopted from one of my political science professors way back when, who said that it is better to vote for the party than the candidate in most cases.
His rationale is that it is the party that mostly determines the platform, and their candidates are well aware that if they want to get support from others in the party. Trump is obviously somewhat of an exception to this rule because most Republican voters are madder than hell even with their own party, but even he tow's the Republican line on most issues.
Voting just for the candidate tends to turn the average election into a popularity contest mostly based on image rather than substance.
Oops, gotta go for now.
I find that fascinating.
Here is the status as of today.
The "pundits" were wrong, and no surprise to me. Sanders can win this and no way was Hillary a given for the nomination.
In New Hampshire today, and with only one month from the primary, Bernie Sanders is ahead of Hillary Clinton by a 50-37 percent margin among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters according to the latest Fox News poll, released Friday. That is not peanuts, folks, that is a blow out. That is the reality, no reason to lie like some of the media, this is reality and the facts.
The "pundits" were wrong, and no surprise to me. Sanders can win this and no way was Hillary a given for the nomination.
In New Hampshire today, and with only one month from the primary, Bernie Sanders is ahead of Hillary Clinton by a 50-37 percent margin among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters according to the latest Fox News poll, released Friday. That is not peanuts, folks, that is a blow out. That is the reality, no reason to lie like some of the media, this is reality and the facts.
Midnight Rain
Well-Known Member
Getting the word out to all independents that support Bernie Sanders. Get in line to register as Democrat if you want him to get that nomination. Do not trust your Democratic brethren.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
For the president I vote democrat, congress I don't vote because even the Dems in Indiana tend to be socially conservative, and everything else I vote based on the candidate (I've even voted libertarian for governor once).
I hope he gets the nomination to run again.