What does demon possession mean to you?

[74x12]

I have not seen reason from you. Just denial. You have offered nothing but continual claims and denials without support.

Why is the request for evidence and rational arguements something you find such an aversion too?

You just now are requesting evidence. But, I'm not playing that game because it's a waste of time. Do your own research. I don't think this matters much anyway.

This is always the answer. It is obvious. That makes no sense. If it were obvious, there would not be any disagreement from me. It is not obvious. There is no evidence.

Yes, nothing could possibly escape the mighty "Dan From Smithville".

You do not know. If you knew, then you could share what you know and the evidence that supports that knowing.

You believe.

There is a difference.

Do you know how many erroneous things there are that people believe? Volumes upon volumes.

Sorry, I can't convince every sheeple I come across.

Do you know what a harvestman or daddy longlegs is? They are common arachnids found all over the US. You know. Related to spiders, ticks and mites.

People know that these things have incredible venom that could kill many people with one bite, except that the harvestman's fangs are too small and weak to penetrate human skin. These things would be among the deadliest creatures known except for that.

It is all myth. Folklore. It is completely untrue. No one knows this. Some believe it. The harvestman has no venom glands and does not produce a venom.

This is the reality of what you think you know and what you really know.

I agree with your analogy. But, how do you know it's not you who doesn't know what they don't truly know?

 

[Wandering Monk]

In the modern day, I ask this sincerely.

It's a phrase that's so common in the books I cringe every time I hear it. It's clearly a sign of medical ignorance.

It means nothing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

again, you can easily find an endless stream of such cases that are explainable. That doesn't mean they all are.

Only to someone desperate to cling onto a belief of it. After you've reviewed enough accounts, interviewed many people, examined stacks of media-based evidence, and have investigated numerous sites, and eventually you realize that with the best evidence being very shaky and suspicious at best, the patterns and trends are clear enough to know you never will find the evidence you seek. And it's very damning for the "believe side" when they stop going to you to examine things because they know you'll find evidence that don't support their beliefs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You just now are requesting evidence. But, I'm not playing that game because it's a waste of time. Do your own research. I don't think this matters much anyway.

I did my own personal research and investigating. For several years. Sure, I found plenty of evidence before I started doing such investigations, but when I went to go look for myself I turned up empty handed 100% of the time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The only evil I have any knowledge of and evidence for is the evil that is carried out by people. Considering the diversity, we do not need demons. Anything attributed to them pales in comparison to what people can come up with. Of course, true believers, just wave their hands and dismiss the evidence in favor of their favorite belief.

I've long wondered if blaming demonic possession is way to pad people from accepting the reality that people can be hideously cruel, violently savage, and wickedly brutal entirely and purely just on their own.

 

[Wandering Monk]

They are super stupid. So easy to fool!
In China, you can fool demons who might
harm your boy, by dressing him as a girl.

In Judaism, you blow the trumpet on the day before Rosh Ha Shana to confuse Satan.

Confusing Satan

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You just now are requesting evidence. But, I'm not playing that game because it's a waste of time. Do your own research. I don't think this matters much anyway.

Of course you are not going to play. You have no pieces, so how can you play?

Yes, nothing could possibly escape the mighty "Dan From Smithville".

Thanks man.

Sorry, I can't convince every sheeple I come across.

Have you heard of the word projection? You may want to look that up. You may want to check out the definition of sheeple too. You can use a dictionary for the latter, but the mirror may be more informative.

I agree with your analogy. But, how do you know it's not you who doesn't know what they don't truly know?

Until someone can provide a convincing argument with supporting evidence, what I know pretty much is what everyone really knows.

 

[Deeje]

What is the definition of a demon, and demon possession?

The Bible gives us the definition of a demon as a fallen angelic creature who has followed satan into a rebellious course as an abuse of free will. Before the flood of Noah's day, these angels could materialize and take on human form, but because of the rampant wickedness caused by them and their freakish offspring, God destroyed the world of that time and made sure that those rebel angels could no longer materialize.

Robbed of that ability, these wicked spirits needed a physical anchor to continue in their agenda to mislead mankind, so they can possess either animate or inanimate objects....people or material things. As Jesus revealed, many can invade the body of just one man.

The skeptics can ridicule such suggestions, but it doesn't make them untrue. If Jesus had encounters with wicked spirits and he identified them, then I will take his word over the skeptic's.

Demon possession is not mental illness, but a weakened mind can make a person more susceptible to their influence. Alcohol too can be an invitation to demonic influence, as many alcoholics are merely fighting an out of control mind. Once a person loses control of their thinking and actions, it's an open invitation.

In countries where spiritism is a cultural practice, demon possession can take many forms, resulting in odd manifestations and extremely strange behaviors. A climate of fear dominates.

This is how I understand demon possession.

I have personally had uninvited encounters with the demons, so I know they exist, and I know how to deal with them, as advised in the scriptures. Every culture has its evil spirits. They are not just figments of a vivid imagination.

You have to know your enemy to fight him.....if you don't believe he exists then you disarm yourself.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Only to someone desperate to cling onto a belief of it. After you've reviewed enough accounts, interviewed many people, examined stacks of media-based evidence, and have investigated numerous sites, and eventually you realize that with the best evidence being very shaky and suspicious at best, the patterns and trends are clear enough to know you never will find the evidence you seek. And it's very damning for the "believe side" when they stop going to you to examine things because they know you'll find evidence that don't support their beliefs.

One of the features of those stories about demons or alien visitations and the like that I have always found interesting is how people leap to their explanations and the specific explanations they leap to.

Why is alien spacecraft the immediate explanation when someone sees an object flying through the air that they cannot identify? There are so many possibilities for what it could be, yet, for some, it is a direct cut to one explanation without bothering to consider anything else.

It is that type of mindset that intrigues my interest. The one that has a pre-existing explanation that practically any unexplained phenomenon falls into, without testing the validity for placing it in that explanation.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I am in a struggle with the pod people of Mars. They are here all the time. No one wants to see them, but they are there. They refuse to learn about their enemy and we are doomed because of it. I know they are real. You just do not want to see that because you are all sheeple and wired different.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I've long wondered if blaming demonic possession is way to pad people from accepting the reality that people can be hideously cruel, violently savage, and wickedly brutal entirely and purely just on their own.

I think for some people it is, because they want to deny the potential for that behavior that may exist in themselves.

 

[Deeje]

Man I just love apologetics. Such creativity!

The truth doesn't have to be something you agree with....it stands whether you belive it or not.

It doesn't have to be creative...it just is. Do you have a problem solving the "I dunno" dilemma? Does it suit you to be in a constant state of not wanting to even entertain any answers?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I've long wondered if blaming demonic possession is way to pad people from accepting the reality that people can be hideously cruel, violently savage, and wickedly brutal entirely and purely just on their own.

There are some that exercise that brutality, but will seek any means to justify it as a righteous response and blame the victim too.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What some people see as the truth, does not make it "the truth" for everyone. Just standing there does not make it true.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is alien spacecraft the immediate explanation when someone sees an object flying through the air that they cannot identify?

I like Niel DeGrasse Tyson's response regarding this: Remind them what the u in UFO stands for.

One of the features of those stories about demons or alien visitations and the like that I have always found interesting is how people leap to their explanations and the specific explanations they leap to.

What I find interesting about such stories and sightings, including into crytozoology, as cell phones with cameras have become more widespread throughout society, the number of reported sightings of things such as Bigfoot and UFOs have decreased. Which, really, is another nail in a coffin that is already tightly sealed and buried. If such things were real, we could expect that as more evidence capturing equipment becomes widespread, we should have an increase in reported sightings. But we got less instead.

 

[Deeje]

Oh, please explain. You seem to know the mind of God.

Funny, I thought I already did....please pay attention.

God explains everything in the Bible.....you should read it sometime.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think for some people it is, because they want to deny the potential for that behavior that may exist in themselves.

Possible for some, but many have claimed Hitler was possessed, and I doubt many humans could do what he did with the sheer hatred he did it with. And many have claimed psychopaths and even those with autism are demonically possessed for having impaired-to-no empathy, even though they themselves have fully and normally functioning empathy.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I like Niel DeGrasse Tyson's response regarding this: Remind them what the u in UFO stands for.

That has always been my policy as well.

What I find interesting about such stories and sightings, including into crytozoology, as cell phones with cameras have become more widespread throughout society, the number of reported sightings of things such as Bigfoot and UFOs have decreased. Which, really, is another nail in a coffin that is already tightly sealed and buried. If such things were real, we could expect that as more evidence capturing equipment becomes widespread, we should have an increase in reported sightings. But we got less instead.

There have been a number of times I have seen something flying that I could not readily identify. In two instances, I still have no explanation for what I saw. In one instance, my father, brother and I watched what appeared to be an early evening star--just a pinprick of light fixed in the darkening sky. We watched it for some time and then it suddenly flew straight away. Maybe it was an alien spacecraft. I cannot say it absolutely was not. I cannot say it wasn't evil sky fairies either. But there are much more likely explanations for it. The most plausible being some sort of man made aircraft.

I would expect the volume of evidence to be on the increase too. I am sure there is an irrational explanation why it is not.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Possible for some, but many have claimed Hitler was possessed, and I doubt many humans could do what he did with the sheer hatred he did it with. And many have claimed psychopaths and even those with autism are demonically possessed for having impaired-to-no empathy, even though they themselves have fully and normally functioning empathy.

That is the ease of claiming. Anything can be claimed.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Possible for some, but many have claimed Hitler was possessed, and I doubt many humans could do what he did with the sheer hatred he did it with. And many have claimed psychopaths and even those with autism are demonically possessed for having impaired-to-no empathy, even though they themselves have fully and normally functioning empathy.

I think demon is an easy explanation for some people stemming from fear and ignorance. And laziness. Easy answers are often the preferred tool of some types. Demons is something that is recognized as abhorrent and the believed cause of evil by many, so it is an easy train to catch.