Men are not superior to women. That is what it means to me. But neither are women superior to men.
A woman's opinion should be weighed just like a man's opinion is.
A woman's opinion should be weighed just like a man's opinion is.
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What Does "Feminism" Mean to You?
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Mr. Skittles
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Personally I hate feminism for the sole fact that we live in a society with established roles which.unfortunately sets unequal standards but while men such as myself and others jump through hoops to treat women equal on all accounts that view seems to backfire (See my thread is Chivalry dead?). In addition there is no such thing as equality at least for now.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I'm curious what sorts of "hoops" you feel you are jumping through in order to treat women equally.
wa:do
The word "feminism" sure is a Rohrschach test.
I was wondering the same thing.
me too.
The only people who hate feminism or are anti-feminist yet still claim belief in equal rights for women don't understand what feminism really is.
so you hate feminism in general simply because a few ladies get a stick up their bum when you hold open a door for them?
honestly just what kind of "hoops to treat women equal" are you jumping through here? How exactly have they backfired and why do you feel this reflects negatively on feminism when feminism is all about treating women as equals?
I think feminism looks like a butterfly.
... or two llamas kissing. I'm not sure which.
For me, feminism is just another 'ism' that is screwing the world up. Feminists I have encountered claim they fight for women's rights and equality between men and women - but in my view, what they are achieving more effectively is simply replacing one form of discrimination with another. Under the current status quo, a female comedian telling jokes about how terrible men are is dubbed a feminist hero, fighting the system! But a man making similar jokes about women is called chauvenistic and shallow. I know it's not totally like this, but it's certainly a possible scenario these days.
As South Park teaches us, we need to get rid of some of the isms in our lives. All they do is teach us to think we are right and others are wrong - whereas we all just need to admit that we're all a bunch of flawed ignorant little beasts who don't actually know anything --- at least in the grand scheme of things we don't.
As South Park teaches us, we need to get rid of some of the isms in our lives. All they do is teach us to think we are right and others are wrong - whereas we all just need to admit that we're all a bunch of flawed ignorant little beasts who don't actually know anything --- at least in the grand scheme of things we don't.
I'd say that's more to do with patriarchy than feminism. While I'll agree I dislike the double standard I really don't think it's one you can wholly blame on feminism and even if you could to discount all of feminism because of that is to discount all that it has accomplished for us.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Yup.
or a basic misunderstanding of what feminism is.
Now misandry is wrong, but it isn't feminism. Though there are some feminists who espouse it just as there are some males who espouse misogyny.
wa:do
Doesn't make it right. Even Hitler's brutal methods "achieved" things within Germany before the war. Feminism is not a good way to bring about true equality. All you really do is replace one form of discrimination with another.
As a gay man, I know what it is to be discriminated against. Also as a foreigner living in China, I know what it is to be discriminated against. And yet I have no wish to join a gay pride movement, because I don't think that gays getting militant is going to improve our situation. Just as I would never kick up a stink about being treated differently in China. I work hard to show others why they should change their minds, without attacking them and labelling them as soul-less discriminators.
Patriarchy is bad, I agree, but replacing it with matriarchy is no better. Chauvenism is bad, but replacing it with feminism is no better either. In the long run, "isms" hardly ever make lasting and beneficial contributions
work in progress
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There is no such thing as "biologically ordained" behavioural characteristics! What happens is that children come into this world, and as early as preschool - they start to imitate how other boys or girls act, and try to copy them to fit in. And they have mothers and fathers who already have their own ideas of how little boys and girls should act, and have a panic attack if their child does something that appears like gender-nonconformity (little boys who start playing with dolls for example). And then the media assault from pop culture kicks in to take advantage of any trends they see to try to instill product demand even in preteens.
The only thing that's biologically ordained is that we are a sexually dimorphic animal species (males being larger than females in our case) and males have more testosterone than females, which skews us to more aggressive behaviour. Beyond that, disregard all of the crap that has come recently from books like The Female Brain and the modern movement to go back to gender-segregated education. Even these presumptions that boys are better at math, while girls are better at language and communication skills are just that - presumptions based on social forces that lead to these results.
work in progress
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Just out of curiosity, how many times has the Reverse Discrimination canard popped up in this thread? I haven't bothered to look, but I'm sure it comes up at least every second page, because everyone who sees their interests tied up with a group that happens to have most of the power sees a disenfranchised group seeking reform as an attack on their rights. How many times has affirmative action programs been portrayed as reverse discrimination for example?
Since we live in a time when reactionary forces are at work trying to claw back concessions that have been accorded to women -- examples being the attacks on reproductive rights, pay equity etc. Republican "War On Women" Is Not A Left-Wing Invention | Research | Media Matters for America it's a disingenuous claim to try to say that women shouldn't be concerned about losing what they've gained as conservative reactionary forces try to march us all back to the way things were done a hundred years ago!
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Mr. Skittles
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Because women expect equality out of gender roles and its contradictory. Believe it or not, as a college student there are women that believe in gender roles despite the male/female isssues.