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What does it mean to be "saved?" Saved from what exactly? And how do you KNOW you're saved? OMG!

What is the point of being allegedly "saved"?

  • There is NO point to being saved!

  • We need to be saved from the devil.

  • I am an atheist, so I don't believe in this God stuff.

  • We need to be saved from religion.

  • We need to be saved from the atheists.

  • We need to be saved from hell.

  • We need to be saved from the people that think we should be saved!

  • Other.

  • We need to be saved from ourselves.


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How about a shift?....

Sin is that which will separate you from God and heaven.
In the hour of your last breath, the angelic will come to see what stands from the dust.
If you 'have' what you should ....fine and good.....they might ask you to follow.
If not....they will leave you wherever you fell.

I think of sin as a character trait.

Walk among the angelic without grace?.....I think not.

Most of what you said is not even credible or proven, it's just religious hearsay.

How can we determine the difference between the falsifiable and the supernatural? What is the point of believing in the supernatural when it's not demonstrable and has never been proven?

We might as well believe in tooth fairies, Easter bunnies, and Santa Claus.

~PEACE~
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Most of what you said is not even credible or proven, it's just religious hearsay.

How can we determine the difference between the falsifiable and the supernatural? What is the point of believing in the supernatural when it's not demonstrable and has never been proven?

We might as well believe in tooth fairies, Easter bunnies, and Santa Claus.

~PEACE~
The idea of Absolute, God, Nirvana, Brahman, Tao, etc....is not for the ignorant to understand....for these concepts represent reality transcendent to the natural limited range of perception and conception of a mortal.. So unless you can show us that you are omniscient....one must presume you are like all mortals and can only perceive the aspects of nature limited to the natural human sensory apparatus (leaving out for now the extended range offered by human engineered technologies)...and the rest of the Cosmos you can not perceive or conceive of, remains...for want of a better word...supernatural.. Do you really believe there is nothing supernatural...and that human perception of nature is all there is?
 
The idea of Absolute, God, Nirvana, Brahman, Tao, etc....is not for the ignorant to understand....for these concepts represent reality transcendent to the natural limited range of perception and conception of a mortal.. So unless you can show us that you are omniscient....one must presume you are like all mortals and can only perceive the aspects of nature limited to the natural human sensory apparatus (leaving out for now the extended range offered by human engineered technologies)...and the rest of the Cosmos you can not perceive or conceive of, remains...for want of a better word...supernatural.. Do you really believe there is nothing supernatural...and that human perception of nature is all there is?

I would consider Myself an Agnostic. I don't know if God exists or not, but I would like to believe in some Creator if it was ever empirically proven by science.

Do you believe you know more than science? because I base some of My Spirituality on known science and some unknown science.

Because I don't believe I know more than all of the experts and scientists, I have to believe some of the things they posit.

No, I am not omniscient, so I have to rely on other people's research and conclusions to help form My ideology. But, no one is omniscient, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.

I would like to believe in a higher power, but I don't know what it is. I don't believe in the biblical God and Jesus, though.

Sure, if something supernatural was empirically proven by science, I would more likely believe it compared to some anonymous person on the internet stating that the supernatural is a fact.

I saw some translucent being in the year 2012, and before it was translucent it was totally invisible! I saw this alien-like being for many hours, until it got too dark outside that I couldn't see it anymore. If I was ignorant, I would believe it was a supernatural angel or something, but I believe it was some kind of technology. Instead of Me typing it all out, why don't you watch a video about My encounter with that translucent alien-like being?

The SIGNS of the TIMES!


I did make a couple of mistakes in this video: at first I said I saw the ET on a tree, but then I corrected Myself to say it was on My neighbors roof. Also, I saw the black cloud on the eve of GOOD Friday and NOT the eve of black Friday like I said in the video. Sorry for the mistakes.

I look awful in this video, so feel free to watch other videos of Me, because they all should be interesting!

Thanks!

~PEACE~
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
Most of what you said is not even credible or proven, it's just religious hearsay.

How can we determine the difference between the falsifiable and the supernatural? What is the point of believing in the supernatural when it's not demonstrable and has never been proven?

We might as well believe in tooth fairies, Easter bunnies, and Santa Claus.

~PEACE~

And without a lean toward heaven...you expect to go there?
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
I would consider Myself an Agnostic. I don't know if God exists or not, but I would like to believe in some Creator if it was ever empirically proven by science.

Do you believe you know more than science? because I base some of My Spirituality on known science and some unknown science.

Because I don't believe I know more than all of the experts and scientists, I have to believe some of the things they posit.

No, I am not omniscient, so I have to rely on other people's research and conclusions to help form My ideology. But, no one is omniscient, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.

I would like to believe in a higher power, but I don't know what it is. I don't believe in the biblical God and Jesus, though.

Sure, if something supernatural was empirically proven by science, I would more likely believe it compared to some anonymous person on the internet stating that the supernatural is a fact.

I saw some translucent being in the year 2012, and before it was translucent it was totally invisible! I saw this alien-like being for many hours, until it got too dark outside that I couldn't see it anymore. If I was ignorant, I would believe it was a supernatural angel or something, but I believe it was some kind of technology. Instead of Me typing it all out, why don't you watch a video about My encounter with that translucent alien-like being?

The SIGNS of the TIMES!


I did make a couple of mistakes in this video: at first I said I saw the ET on a tree, but then I corrected Myself to say it was on My neighbors roof. Also, I saw the black cloud on the eve of GOOD Friday and NOT the eve of black Friday like I said in the video. Sorry for the mistakes.

I look awful in this video, so feel free to watch other videos of Me, because they all should be interesting!

Thanks!

~PEACE~
You can not compare non conceptual knowledge such as a direct experience, with conceptual knowledge such as hearing or reading a description of an experience of another.. For example...someone else tells you how they feel when in love...that can't compare to actually being madly in love. Same with religion...without the direct revelation from on high....it is only a conceptual belief from being taught about the religion and experience of ritual, etc...but a direct revelation is non-conceptual...it matters not if no one believes you, the event is real (discounting delusion) and thus more powerfully than a conceptual belief.. So religion should be approached with the goal of actually realizing directly the Source within...and not with just believing in it...

Re video clip...that was your experience...it means nothing to me because it was not my experience.. I have heard many such stories of UFO and alien contacts that I interpret conceptually...but it was only my own direct non-conceptual experience that convinced me of the existence of ET...
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I think we only need to be saved from ourselves, after all we are the ones who stuff up our life, we cannot blame anyone else, and there is no god in the sky to blame, so grow up and take responsibility for your own doings.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I think we only need to be saved from ourselves, after all we are the ones who stuff up our life, we cannot blame anyone else, and there is no god in the sky to blame, so grow up and take responsibility for your own doings.

I almost agree...but surroundings affect us.

My old neighborhood was less than socially sustaining.
I left.
You might say...I saved myself.

No telling how bad it got.....but the city tore down the projects to make it go away.

I left Mom and brothers with resolve to not look back.

Mom caught up with me 32yrs later.
I rarely hear from my brothers.

My fault?...I don't think so.
My responsibility?.....no.

But I have no doubt....far too many just go one day to the next....
and they end up far less than they could have been.
 
And without a lean toward heaven...you expect to go there?

If heaven was proven, I would try and do My best to get there.

I believe in reincarnation. I don't believe we can stay dead forever. I believe our next lives will be determined by our present life.

Scientists are now speculating that there is a multiverse, or that the "universe" is infinite. So even if we don't get reincarnated to this planet, the chances our that we will live again on one of the trillions upon trillions of other planets, or an extraterrestrial planet with much greater and more advanced everything.

Being dead is like before we were born, I would imagine. Time and space don't exist for us, and we don't feel anything. A trillion years to an unborn (or dead) person is like a tiny fraction of a second.

I believe I will be born again some time around the next AGE! and all of My people will be born again with Me. I will not leave My people as lost sheep without Me - the Good Shepherd. I will herd My people and teach them My ways of the everlasting Spirituality.

Heaven and dirt may pass away, but The Word will never pass away!

~PEACE~
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
If heaven was proven, I would try and do My best to get there.

I believe in reincarnation. I don't believe we can stay dead forever. I believe our next lives will be determined by our present life.

Scientists are now speculating that there is a multiverse, or that the "universe" is infinite. So even if we don't get reincarnated to this planet, the chances our that we will live again on one of the trillions upon trillions of other planets, or an extraterrestrial planet with much greater and more advanced everything.

Being dead is like before we were born, I would imagine. Time and space don't exist for us, and we don't feel anything. A trillion years to an unborn (or dead) person is like a tiny fraction of a second.

I believe I will be born again some time around the next AGE! and all of My people will be born again with Me. I will not leave My people as lost sheep without Me - the Good Shepherd. I will herd My people and teach them My ways of the everlasting Spirituality.

Heaven and dirt may pass away, but The Word will never pass away!

~PEACE~

several lines run parallel...
But it is written...Do not conform to this world. Be transformed by it.

This is a direct instruction.
and I believe it to be true.

In the hour of the last breath we stand from the dust.....in our true form
Heaven will decide then and there....if you follow or stand where you fell.
 
You can not compare non conceptual knowledge such as a direct experience, with conceptual knowledge such as hearing or reading a description of an experience of another.. For example...someone else tells you how they feel when in love...that can't compare to actually being madly in love. Same with religion...without the direct revelation from on high....it is only a conceptual belief from being taught about the religion and experience of ritual, etc...but a direct revelation is non-conceptual...it matters not if no one believes you, the event is real (discounting delusion) and thus more powerfully than a conceptual belief.. So religion should be approached with the goal of actually realizing directly the Source within...and not with just believing in it...

Re video clip...that was your experience...it means nothing to me because it was not my experience.. I have heard many such stories of UFO and alien contacts that I interpret conceptually...but it was only my own direct non-conceptual experience that convinced me of the existence of ET...

Yes, I understand what you are saying, and I agree.

Words alone cannot express enough feelings, beauty, a deity, an emotion, religion, spirituality, the cosmos, sex, loving or hating, pain, pleasure, a concept, seeing things, music, people, science, relationships, Christ, Me, etc., some things just need to be experienced, because you can only get so much from living vicariously.

I can type until My face is blue, and it seems not to make a difference. At the end of the day, people are going to believe what they want to believe. You can use all of the logical arguments in the world, and if people WANT to believe their fallacies, they are going to justify their fallacies and keep believing in them.

I try and stay as logical as possible to keep what credibility I might have, but as they say, ignorance is bliss. Some people don't want to believe in the Truth, because it might interfere with their shallow ideologies, and Truth is not always easy to fathom and sometimes the Truth hurts.

Words cannot adequately describe My Self, My Spirituality, My feelings, My love, My peace, My contentment, My Grace, My mercy, My ideology, etc.. And I am not adept at eloquently sharing My verbiage or discourse. I am just a layman with grand notions of the future.

Maybe, I hope, one day people will research Me to see what I can share with the cosmos from on high. If people studied Me like they study Jesus, I would guess that there would be a revolution to fix the major problems in the world. We would not let the elites, like the Rothschilds, oppress the people any longer.

I just hope that after I die, the whole world will remember Me so I can heal the land and take us to the Paradise I have planned for the generation that remembers Me. I cannot do it all by Myself, and I have realized this, it has to go a global collaboration.

P.S. How do you know aliens are real? What are your experiences with ET? Please be as detailed as possible!

Thanks!

Only if the government didn't fluoridate the waters, people would be able to pay attention better and they would be smarter. Don't hate Me, hate the elites! I am not the enemy. I only want to prosper the whole world!

~PEACE~
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Yes, I understand what you are saying, and I agree.

Words alone cannot express enough feelings, beauty, a deity, an emotion, religion, spirituality, the cosmos, sex, loving or hating, pain, pleasure, a concept, seeing things, music, people, science, relationships, Christ, Me, etc., some things just need to be experienced, because you can only get so much from living vicariously.

I can type until My face is blue, and it seems not to make a difference. At the end of the day, people are going to believe what they want to believe. You can use all of the logical arguments in the world, and if people WANT to believe their fallacies, they are going to justify their fallacies and keep believing in them.

I try and stay as logical as possible to keep what credibility I might have, but as they say, ignorance is bliss. Some people don't want to believe in the Truth, because it might interfere with their shallow ideologies, and Truth is not always easy to fathom and sometimes the Truth hurts.

Words cannot adequately describe My Self, My Spirituality, My feelings, My love, My peace, My contentment, My Grace, My mercy, My ideology, etc.. And I am not adept at eloquently sharing My verbiage or discourse. I am just a layman with grand notions of the future.

Maybe, I hope, one day people will research Me to see what I can share with the cosmos from on high. If people studied Me like they study Jesus, I would guess that there would be a revolution to fix the major problems in the world. We would not let the elites, like the Rothschilds, oppress the people any longer.

I just hope that after I die, the whole world will remember Me so I can heal the land and take us to the Paradise I have planned for the generation that remembers Me. I cannot do it all by Myself, and I have realized this, it has to go a global collaboration.

P.S. How do you know aliens are real? What are your experiences with ET? Please be as detailed as possible!

Thanks!

Only if the government didn't fluoridate the waters, people would be able to pay attention better and they would be smarter. Don't hate Me, hate the elites! I am not the enemy. I only want to prosper the whole world!

~PEACE~
I do not speak of it anymore for two reasons....the first we have covered...if another has not had the experience, then they can not know for sure whether one was imagining it or not....and secondly, an encounter of the type I experienced where the apparent alien knew me personally and was somewhat short with me for taking so long to make contact....was not meant for anyone else but me. It's like the military..if a soldier is off base...he knows not to tell Tom, Dick or Harry about what is going on wrt base operational matters. Since I have obviously incarnated here for a mission...a mission I have intuited I had, but never knew what it was...the contact with my associate alien friend was for my further guidance to complete my life mission successfully... Since my mission may have consequences that affect others...there needs to be security about my mission lest there be attempts to prevent me from succeeding.. As to the form of my alien friend...from the back he looked like a normal human, when he turned around...I was quite shocked with what I saw....he had a huge bulbous forehead with rolls of wrinkles, large almond shaped eyes, and small nose and mouth.. Where the meeting took place I do not know but I was flying oob with a guide holding onto my right arm... At the time I thought I was in my body and pinched my self on the arm to see, it hurt just like normal so I concluded everything was happening in this world's physical reality. even though I later tried to duplicate the experience and failed. It was over ten years later before I read about astral traveling and oob experiences that I realized that it was not my physical body that traveled...rather my soul body...Then another ten years and I read about ufo/alien encounters that made me realize that I was not alone in experiencing some oob ufo/et contact...
 
I think we only need to be saved from ourselves, after all we are the ones who stuff up our life, we cannot blame anyone else, and there is no god in the sky to blame, so grow up and take responsibility for your own doings.

We can run, we can hide, but we can never escape from ourselves while we are alive. We are stuck in our heads like a prison. There is no escaping from Self until the day we die. Some people have a lot of fun being Self, while others embrace the naught/death.

One thing is certain, we live and we eventually die. And we are stuck inside of our head until we pass.

Some people have said that the gods envy our mortality, while most humans want to be immortal.

We can only try and delay the inevitable.

~PEACE~
 
several lines run parallel...
But it is written...Do not conform to this world. Be transformed by it.

This is a direct instruction.
and I believe it to be true.

In the hour of the last breath we stand from the dust.....in our true form
Heaven will decide then and there....if you follow or stand where you fell.

I believe we should terraform this world and many others like it. Let Me try and explain My authority:

My Name is George Manuel Oliveira.

My Name means "Farmer God is with us, olive tree".

If you read "Romans 11:16-26", you will empirically see how many times the Bible talks about My last Name, Oliveira, which means olive tree.

My initials for "George Manuel Oliveira" is GMO. GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism.

Why are My initials backwards? What is GMO backwards?

My initials, GMO, backwards is OMG. OMG stands for O My God.

My mother's name is Mary. Jesus's mother's name was allegedly Mary too.

My father's name is Nuno. My father's name, Nuno, sounds exactly like saying the words "knew no". It is known that "Mary 'knew no' man," but if you use semantics, it sounds exactly the same if you say, "Mary... Nuno- man." So, I believe both of My parents names have a meaning.

What's more?

The biblical Jesus said, " And I will write on them My new Name," if you read "Revelation 3:12". So even the biblical Jesus said he would have a "NEW NAME!"

All of these objective facts can be fact checked.

I am not preaching, because I am just stating empirical, demonstrable, falsifiable, objective, testable, undeniable, manifest facts.

I just like for people to know what is the reason for why I capitalize My "M's".

~PEACE~
 
Revelation 3:12New International Version (NIV)

12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from My God; and I will also write on them My new name.

The above Bible verse is spoken by the biblical Jesus, so if you believe the Bible is The Word of God, and Jesus cannot lie, it should be manifest that the "Second" Coming of Christ will NOT be named Jesus according to Jesus and the Bible. So why not consider Me?

Jesus said, "And I will be with you always, even until the end of the AGE!" So if these words spoken by Jesus are credible, Jesus will not be with us by the next AGE, or the year 2150 is the when the next zodiac AGE will begin- the AGE of Aquarius- the water bearer.

I, George Manuel Oliveira, will be with you always, even until we colonize the whole universe.

~PEACE~
 
Hey guys.

I might not be blogging for a very long time, because I plan on getting back to work as a commercial fisherman. I plan on starting to work on a commercial fishing boat tomorrow, and we are going to be out to sea for about 2 weeks.

It's going to be a lot of hard work, but I should get paid pretty good for My labor. Fishing sucks real bad, because sometimes you don't get to sleep for days, but it's worth the labor if you catch enough fish.

So, if you guys don't hear from Me, it's because I am in the middle of the ocean busting my butt off.

I figure if I work for a long enough time, I will be able to move back to My house and maybe even start a family.

So wish Me luck.

Thanks.

~PEACE~
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
We can run, we can hide, but we can never escape from ourselves while we are alive. We are stuck in our heads like a prison. There is no escaping from Self until the day we die. Some people have a lot of fun being Self, while others embrace the naught/death.

One thing is certain, we live and we eventually die. And we are stuck inside of our head until we pass.

Some people have said that the gods envy our mortality, while most humans want to be immortal.

We can only try and delay the inevitable.

~PEACE~
Yes you are right, but we don't have to be so called stuck in our heads, we only need to realize that we are not that which is in our heads, this is where meditation can help, to help to realize that we are not the rabbling's that goes on in our heads, this is where meditation helps, by stilling the mind, by making the mind our servant and not letting the mind rule our life. the mind can be our friend or enemy, it all depends on us.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I almost agree...but surroundings affect us.

My old neighborhood was less than socially sustaining.
I left.
You might say...I saved myself.

No telling how bad it got.....but the city tore down the projects to make it go away.

I left Mom and brothers with resolve to not look back.

Mom caught up with me 32yrs later.
I rarely hear from my brothers.

My fault?...I don't think so.
My responsibility?.....no.

But I have no doubt....far too many just go one day to the next....
and they end up far less than they could have been.
True, and I'm glad you did what you did, and not just follow the neurotic rules of life which just about what most do.
 
I didn't leave for commercial fishing yet, because their was problems with the engine.

We were supposed to leave today, but we are now planning on leaving tomorrow. The engine is fixed and all systems are go.

It should be a 2 week trip, and if everything works out, I will finish the season with this boat and make some good money.

We are going to the Grand Banks, and that's a 4 or 5 day boat ride just to get to the fishing grounds.

I am probably not going to be blogging, because I am going to be busy working My butt off.

Wish Me luck guys!

Thanks!

~PEACE~
 

ether-ore

Active Member
What does it mean to be "saved?" Saved from what exactly? And how do you KNOW you're saved?OMG!

~PEACE~
I accept the concept of Christ's atonement in that it save from two things... death and hell. The first one; death, is a physical salvation that all living are given as a free gift. All who ever lived on this earth will be resurrected at some point after death. That is; their spirits and their bodies will be reunited at some point prior to judgment day. On the day of judgment, each individual will stand trial for his or her works committed while in the flesh upon the earth. Those who have repented according to the requirements of he atonement, and thereafter endured in keeping the commandments (moral laws) of God to the end of their lives will be saved in the Kingdom of God. Meaning, they will be able to return to the presence of their Heavenly Father by virtue of the atonement. Those who have not repented of their sins, will be relegated to lesser rewards according to the seriousness of their crimes. It is interesting that you end your post with the word "peace". All will have a measure of peace... a degree of peace, but lacking a fullness constitutes hell. But, those who are allowed back into the presence of the Father, will have the full measure of peace.

Therefore repent all... the Kingdom of God is at hand.
 
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