What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?

[2ndpillar]

You do realize that the reference in Rev you choose refers to the Roman Empire and its persecution of Christians, and not the Roman Catholic Church.

Do you realize that that "woman", today are the daughters of Babylon, including the Roman Catholic church, which was made the legitimate Roman church in 380 A.D. by the Roman emperor Theodosius, based on the Nicene Trinity dogma set up by the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 A.D. is the same "her" who the LORD says one must "come out of" or take on her "plagues" (Revelation 18:4), and as far as taking on the mark of the beast, with respect to the beast with two horns like a lamb (Rev 13:11), Constantine, they will have to drink from the cup of "His anger" (Revelation 14:10). The beast/kingdoms, per Daniel 2 & Hosea 5, the same beasts of Revelation 17:9-11) were to persecute Judah and Ephraim, not the Gentile church. It was the Gentile church, the Roman Catholic church, which persecuted the Jews by way of the Inquisition, by burning people alive or dead, depending how well they weathered their torture. Nero, one of the 10 horns of the beast of (Daniel 7:20), threw the Jews out of Rome and killed Peter, the leader of the Jewish division, and Paul, the leader of the "Christian" division", because they were causing chaos in his city. We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11), and other than the followers of the supposed prophet Mohammed, Muslims, and the followers of the false prophet Marx, Marxist/Progressive socialist, no one is persecuting Christians at this time, and certainly not Rome, the home of the Roman Catholic church. Rome may wish the reformers/protestants ill will, but they don't outwardly attack them. And while the Protestants may have reservations about the Roman Catholic church, they try and be subdued in their outward reservations. Revelation 17 bridges the time from Nebuchadnezzar until now and until the end, which is approaching.

 

[syo]

Easter decoration. With bunnies and chicken.

 

[Elihoenai]

So, what's your point?

BTW, I've taught Catholic theology to adults for 15 years now.

You have taught Roman Catholic Theology for all those years to adults and yet you cannot see the point. This is Testament to the Power of the Universal Roman Catholic Church. If you read through our exchanges carefully again you might be able to get the point given Elohim/God allows.

 

[Elihoenai]

According to Yeshua in Matthew 18:16, in line with the Scripture of Deut 15:19, every matter must be confirmed by two or three witnesses). The last part of Matthew 28 is controversial, and is not included in the original text, and is not confirmed by another parallel statement of Luke 24:47, and is antithetical to Yeshua in John 14:30. Plus Yeshua said that in Matthew 24:26, "if they say to you", "he is in the inner rooms, or in the wilderness, do not believe them". Yeshua said that he was leaving and the ruler of the world was coming, who had nothing in him (John 14;30). The "ruler of the world", would be described in Revelation 13:4, as the "dragon", who gave his authority to the "beast", which at the time of 2000 years ago, was the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17:9-10), Rome, upon who the "woman" (the daughters of Babylon), such as the Roman Catholic church sat. The 7th head of the beast, the "another beast" (Rev 13:11), the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, is the "beast" who shall "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14), by means of his Roman Church, and their false dogmas ("abominations")(Rev 17:5), which includes worshipping on the pagan feast of Easter (Astarte), believing in the false concept of the Trinity, and eventually of accepting their NT canon. The Roman Catholic church and her daughter churches, the Protestants, built their "house" on a foundation of sand (Matthew 7:26-28), that being the testimonies of the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd", Peter (Zechariah 11:16-17). Acocrding to the "Word of God" (Psalms 110:1), "my Lord" will sit at the right hand of the LORD, until "I make your enemies a footstool for thy feet." That hasn't happened as of yet, and the kingdoms of Daniel 2:35 have not all be "crushed" "all at the same time", and we remain in the era of the 8th head of the revived beast per Revelation 17:11. As per Hosea 6:2, it is after 2 days, on the 3rd day, when the LORD will heal Judah and Ephraim after they "acknowledge their guilt". (Hosea 5:15). Passover is with respect to preparing the unblemished lamb and coating the lintels of one's home with its blood to have the angels of death pass over, which happens in the early hours of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. It has nothing to do with pagan festivals or of having Easter Eggs, in homage of Babel's Nimrod. After the "day of distress" (Jeremiah 16:19) the Gentiles/"nations" which survive will confess "our fathers inherited nothing but falsehood". Starting with the false dogma of the Trinity, and the Catholic NT canon, the Gentile church is built on a foundation of "sand", and is destined to "fall" (Matthew 7:26-27).

John 14:30
New American Standard Bible
I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in regard to Me,

It appears that you are Hiding your Religion because being Ashamed of it and Cowardice or for the purposes of Deception. Why does a person hide their Religion? A person that does not Proudly Assert their Religion cannot be trusted.


It appears you, @2ndpillar, are a member of the Universal Roman Catholic Church Waging a Phoney War against said Church. Protestantism is a Roman Catholic Phoney War against itself and has been all along.


Your post in "Are you a liar?" thread provides insight into your Identity: Are you a liar?


The Priests of the Universal Roman Catholic do Not Really believe in Paul the Apostle either:


Doubt (4/10) Movie CLIP - Supper Time (2008) HD

 

[pearl]

"Passover" is a term with respect to the angels of death passing over the children of Israel in Egypt.

For Christians the term refers to the D/R of Jesus.

 

[2ndpillar]

It appears that you are Hiding your Religion because being Ashamed of it and Cowardice or for the purposes of Deception. Why does a person hide their Religion? A person that does not Proudly Assert their Religion cannot be trusted.


It appears you, @2ndpillar, are a member of the Universal Roman Catholic Church Waging a Phoney War against said Church. Protestantism is a Roman Catholic Phoney War against itself and has been all along.


Your post in "Are you a liar?" thread provides insight into your Identity: Are you a liar?


The Priests of the Universal Roman Catholic do Not Really believe in Paul the Apostle either:


Doubt (4/10) Movie CLIP - Supper Time (2008) HD

My "religion" is to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. Apparently, your religion is to cast dispersion on others. I think "Protestantism" is simply a daughter rebelling against her hypocritical mother, but as with mother, like daughter, it only created another twisted image of her mother. Are you a Latin rite Catholic, or an English rite Roman Catholic (universal Christian)? Do you eat meat on Friday, and are you compelled to go to church on the feast of the pagan goddess Astarte/Easter under penalty of going to hell if you do not, or are you a free woman on the earth, and can visit a Protestant church without the sentence of hell hanging over your head? It is good to hear that like the Ephesians (Revelation 2:2), that not everyone flocks after the false apostle Paul.

 

[2ndpillar]

For Christians the term refers to the D/R of Jesus.

Well, the "Christian" religion is simply based on pagan feast days, and creeds developed under the authority of the Roman empire, and has no relationship to the message given by Yeshua, or with regard to "Scriptures" as defined by Yeshua in John 10:35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Where upon, you went out and considered the Word of God as being "obsolete". Which Gentiles, do you think the "Word of God" is coming after per Revelation 19:13-15 with a sharp sword, and "tread down with the fierce wrath of God".

 

[pearl]

Do you realize that that "woman", today are the daughters of Babylon, including the Roman Catholic church

Does it really make sense to you that the only reason you have Revelations included in the Canon of the NT is because
the Catholic Church included it and placed at the end of the NT, it was not the last book to be written, that was 2nd Peter.
Apocalyptic literature is symbolic, not to be taken literally.

 

[2ndpillar]

Does it really make sense to you that the only reason you have Revelations included in the Canon of the NT is because
the Catholic Church included it and placed at the end of the NT, it was not the last book to be written, that was 2nd Peter.
Apocalyptic literature is symbolic, not to be taken literally.

The "symbolic figure" for the Catholic church would be the "women"(Revelation 17:3), as in the mother church of the "devil" who was produced via the "tare seed" planted by the "enemy"/"devil" alongside the "good seed", which was planted by the son of man (Matthew 13:24-42). No one knows when the book of Revelation was written, but many surmise that it was written as late as the early 100s, whereas although 2 Peter most likely wasn't written by Peter, Peter died in the 60s. Yeshua described the "kingdom of heaven" in "parables", so that those without eyes could not see, and those without ears could not hear (Matthew 13:13-14). According to Daniel 12:10, the "wicked"/lawless would remain without "understanding" until the "end of the age". Now that we are at the "end of the age", the truth will come out from under a rock, but that does not mean you will have ears to hear.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Exodus 12:21

21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.


What does the Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Festival mean to you? What will you be doing as a Memorial to this Festival? Do you think Elohim/God will be pleased with your Festivities?

The Passover is a chance to remember the Exodus, the roots of the Jewish people. We were slaves in Egypt, and God delivered us with a mighty hand.

I think God is pleased when human beings have festivities and enjoy the creation he has made.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Do you realize that that "woman", today are the daughters of Babylon, including the Roman Catholic church, which was made the legitimate Roman church in 380 A.D. by the Roman emperor Theodosius, based on the Nicene Trinity dogma set up by the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 A.D. is the same "her" who the LORD says one must "come out of" or take on her "plagues" (Revelation 18:4), and as far as taking on the mark of the beast, with respect to the beast with two horns like a lamb (Rev 13:11), Constantine, they will have to drink from the cup of "His anger" (Revelation 14:10). The beast/kingdoms, per Daniel 2 & Hosea 5, the same beasts of Revelation 17:9-11) were to persecute Judah and Ephraim, not the Gentile church. It was the Gentile church, the Roman Catholic church, which persecuted the Jews by way of the Inquisition, by burning people alive or dead, depending how well they weathered their torture. Nero, one of the 10 horns of the beast of (Daniel 7:20), threw the Jews out of Rome and killed Peter, the leader of the Jewish division, and Paul, the leader of the "Christian" division", because they were causing chaos in his city. We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11), and other than the followers of the supposed prophet Mohammed, Muslims, and the followers of the false prophet Marx, Marxist/Progressive socialist, no one is persecuting Christians at this time, and certainly not Rome, the home of the Roman Catholic church. Rome may wish the reformers/protestants ill will, but they don't outwardly attack them. And while the Protestants may have reservations about the Roman Catholic church, they try and be subdued in their outward reservations. Revelation 17 bridges the time from Nebuchadnezzar until now and until the end, which is approaching.

The Preterist interpretation of Revelation is the ONLY one that makes sense to me. The whore of Babylon is pagan Rome, and nothing else. Not the Catholic church, etc.

You should stop and consider the fact that the only reason Revelation is in your Bible is because the Catholic Bishops put it there.

 

[Kathryn]

For me, it's the most holy and sacred day of the year - well, week of the year. I always enjoy it immensely and I also love to get together with family.

 

[2ndpillar]

The Preterist interpretation of Revelation is the ONLY one that makes sense to me. The whore of Babylon is pagan Rome, and nothing else. Not the Catholic church, etc.

You should stop and consider the fact that the only reason Revelation is in your Bible is because the Catholic Bishops put it there.

The Pontifex Maximus, at the time of the 325 A.D. Nicene Council, was the Roman emperor Constantine. The term "beast" of Revelation 17:3 is with respect to "king"/"kingdoms" per Revelation 17:9, and the "woman" who sits on the "beast" is not the beast, but the church which sits on the "beast", which would be the pagan/Catholic church in which Constantine, the "beast with two horns like a lamb" has authority as the pontiff, over the woman, and she gets her authority from the Roman empire, in which he ruled. It was one bishop of Alexandria who came up with and delivered the NT canon on his pagan feast day of Easter/Astarte, in the year 367 A.D. As for the book of Revelation, it was the Catholic cleric Luther, who tried to delete the book of Revelation, as Revelation portrays Catholicism as Babylon the Great, as portrayed by the images in his bible. You should note that the bishop of Alexandria also but within his cannon the writings of the false prophet Paul, as portrayed in Matthew 13:24-30, in the form of tare seed planted along side of the good seed, the message of the "son of man". The Roman pagans became incorporate with the "Christian" church but got to keep their abominations and feast days. As for your man-made Preterist notions, Revelation parallels Daniel, and Daniel 2:45 has not happened, and we are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11), whereas it mirrors the feet mixed with clay of Daniel 2, which along with the other gentile nations, have not all been crushed "all at the same time" (Daniel 2:35). Nor has the "day of the LORD" of Joel 2 & 3, which is the Har-Magedon of Revelation 16:16, been accomplished, and all the nations have not been judged in the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2). Your sins have not been forgiven, you are not going to escape death as Paul taught (Jeremiah 31:30), and you will have to continue to pay for some of your medical cost, despite what your Lord almighty Obama might have told you. I suggest that you actually read all of the bible, and then judge between the chaff and the wheat, for at the end of the age, the angels will separate the chaff/weeds "first" and then throw them into the "furnace of fire". (Mt 13:30). At that time, the traditions of men will be of no help to you.

 

[Elihoenai]

My "religion" is to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. Apparently, your religion is to cast dispersion on others. I think "Protestantism" is simply a daughter rebelling against her hypocritical mother, but as with mother, like daughter, it only created another twisted image of her mother. Are you a Latin rite Catholic, or an English rite Roman Catholic (universal Christian)? Do you eat meat on Friday, and are you compelled to go to church on the feast of the pagan goddess Astarte/Easter under penalty of going to hell if you do not, or are you a free woman on the earth, and can visit a Protestant church without the sentence of hell hanging over your head? It is good to hear that like the Ephesians (Revelation 2:2), that not everyone flocks after the false apostle Paul.

Romans 10:3

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


One of the Hallmarks of a False Teacher/Prophet is Hypocrisy that you are Revealing. You are casting Dispersions on the Holy Scriptures/Bible and Elohim's/God's Inspired Apostle Paul and complaining about Dispersions cast on yourself. Dispersions can be Justified or Unjustified.


Given that you Rubbish parts of the Bible and Reject Paul the Apostle this means you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You say this or that part of the Bible is valid or invalid to fit your interpretation. Any Teacher/Prophet that does not Recognise the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation as a Unified Whole, that is Absolutely True and Accurate, is a False Prophet/Teacher.


Given that you Rubbish parts of the Bible and Reject Paul the Apostle you are Not Righteous or Sinless that appear to be claiming. You can be making these claims of Righteousness and Sinlessness through Ignorance or for Intentional Deception. Evidently, you have Not Heard the Righteousness of Elohim/God Revealed in the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation.


I Am Christian Gnostic as stated in post #10: What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?

Gnosticism, the Enduring Heresy

 

[Elihoenai]

The Passover is a chance to remember the Exodus, the roots of the Jewish people. We were slaves in Egypt, and God delivered us with a mighty hand.

I think God is pleased when human beings have festivities and enjoy the creation he has made.

What if people are Not Practising the Festivities in accordance with Elohim's/God's Will? Is Elohim/God pleased with this?

 

[Elihoenai]

For me, it's the most holy and sacred day of the year - well, week of the year. I always enjoy it immensely and I also love to get together with family.

Exodus 12:16

16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.


How do you make Passover/Easter Holy and Sacred? What are your Practices during this time?

 

[Kathryn]

Exodus 12:16

16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.


How do you make Passover/Easter Holy and Sacred? What are your Practices during this time?

I go to church and pray and meditate on what has been happening (once and eternal salvation) often between Passover Sunday and Easter Sunday. I do the whole Maundy Thursday thing, though I'm not scheduled to get my feet washed this year (but hey, it could happen!). Then Friday I do the veneration of the cross, which I love. Sometimes I also do the stations of the cross. Saturday I pray often as I think about how Jesus was dead that day. Then Sunday (Easter Sunday) is a celebration - a very long church service where we, the congregation,, participate in killing Jesus but then He rises. this is also the day that converts come into the church and are annointed with oil. Then I have a big dinner with family and/or friends. It's an interesting week. What about you?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What if people are Not Practising the Festivities in accordance with Elohim's/God's Will? Is Elohim/God pleased with this?

First of all, it is not a commandment for "people." It is a commandment for Jews. "People" were not delivered from slavery in Egypt -- the Jews were.

I think it is a sad sad thing when a Jew does not keep the Passover.

 

[2ndpillar]

Romans 10:3

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


One of the Hallmarks of a False Teacher/Prophet is Hypocrisy that you are Revealing. You are casting Dispersions on the Holy Scriptures/Bible and Elohim's/God's Inspired Apostle Paul and complaining about Dispersions cast on yourself. Dispersions can be Justified or Unjustified.


Given that you Rubbish parts of the Bible and Reject Paul the Apostle this means you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You say this or that part of the Bible is valid or invalid to fit your interpretation. Any Teacher/Prophet that does not Recognise the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation as a Unified Whole, that is Absolutely True and Accurate, is a False Prophet/Teacher.


Given that you Rubbish parts of the Bible and Reject Paul the Apostle you are Not Righteous or Sinless that appear to be claiming. You can be making these claims of Righteousness and Sinlessness through Ignorance or for Intentional Deception. Evidently, you have Not Heard the Righteousness of Elohim/God Revealed in the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation.


I Am Christian Gnostic as stated in post #10: What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?

Gnosticism, the Enduring Heresy

I am sure your "Christian Gnosticism" might explain something to someone who knows what that even means, other than your views are not accepted within the general "Christian" community, and you think you are in the know, above those who were actually credited with accumulating your "holy" NT canon. As Yeshua taught, the "ruler" of the world has nothing in him, and it is the "ruler of the world" which now rules the world through his rulers/kings and "daughters of Babylon"(Gentile religions). As for "righteousness" and "wickedness", as pointed out in Malachi 3, it will not be until Levi is purified, and Judah and Jerusalem will be a "pleasure to the LORD", and "judgment" will fall on the adulterers, false swearers, and sorcerers, and those who do not "fear Me" before "you will again "distinguish between the righteous and the wicked". Until then the wicked will say "it is vain that we serve God, and that we have kept his charge. The "scripture" as defined by Yeshua is the Law and the Prophets, and your church seems to have made them "obsolete", to their own "destruction" by following the "false prophets (Matthew 7:13-15), and the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter. You are free to travel the wide path to "destruction", but when that destruction comes, what is going to be your excuse for choosing the darkness of the false prophet over the light given by the "son of man". Double speak will only get you so far.

 

[2ndpillar]

First of all, it is not a commandment for "people." It is a commandment for Jews. "People" were not delivered from slavery in Egypt -- the Jews were.

I think it is a sad sad thing when a Jew does not keep the Passover.

It was Israel that was delivered from Egypt. Judah only represents a part of Israel. The house of Israel, represented as Ephraim, was a major part, along with Judah, which were dispersed "among the nations" (Ezekiel 37:15-24).