What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?

[Elihoenai]

First of all, it is not a commandment for "people." It is a commandment for Jews. "People" were not delivered from slavery in Egypt -- the Jews were.

I think it is a sad sad thing when a Jew does not keep the Passover.

Exodus 12:3

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:


The Passover is a Commandment for Israel and Judah/Jews is one of the 12 Tribes of Israel. Given that an Ethnic Jew does not keep the Passover, does this mean that such a Jew is no longer part of Elohim's/God's Chosen People? Do you agree that a Jew that doesn't keep the Passover has lost their Religion?

 

[metis]

How wonderful that you and your wife can share in each others' traditions

Passover used to be a big thing for me. I cooked up a storm, and always always had guests. I even typed up my own Haggadah so that the evening would be easy to understand for guests that were new to Passover. Now I'm disabled and live alone. It is hard for me to even go to synagogue because there are days I can't hold up my head. I think this will be the first Passover that I don't attend a Seder. I'll still refrain from leven of course.

Thank you, and I hope you are able to somehow meet with others. And if I could, I'd invite you in a heartbeat to ours or at least come and visit you with some Pesach goodies.

Take care, my friend.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Exodus 12:3

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:


The Passover is a Commandment for Israel and Judah/Jews is one of the 12 Tribes of Israel. Given that an Ethnic Jew does not keep the Passover, does this mean that such a Jew is no longer part of Elohim's/God's Chosen People? Do you agree that a Jew that doesn't keep the Passover has lost their Religion?

There are all sorts of Jews who do not practice Judaism. There are many atheist Jews. There are even Jewish apostates who have converted to other religions.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Thank you, and I hope you are able to somehow meet with others. And if I could, I'd invite you in a heartbeat to ours or at least come and visit you with some Pesach goodies.

Take care, my friend.

You are a sweetheart! I will be thinking of you and your family this Passover.

 

[Elihoenai]

I am sure your "Christian Gnosticism" might explain something to someone who knows what that even means, other than your views are not accepted within the general "Christian" community, and you think you are in the know, above those who were actually credited with accumulating your "holy" NT canon. As Yeshua taught, the "ruler" of the world has nothing in him, and it is the "ruler of the world" which now rules the world through his rulers/kings and "daughters of Babylon"(Gentile religions). As for "righteousness" and "wickedness", as pointed out in Malachi 3, it will not be until Levi is purified, and Judah and Jerusalem will be a "pleasure to the LORD", and "judgment" will fall on the adulterers, false swearers, and sorcerers, and those who do not "fear Me" before "you will again "distinguish between the righteous and the wicked". Until then the wicked will say "it is vain that we serve God, and that we have kept his charge. The "scripture" as defined by Yeshua is the Law and the Prophets, and your church seems to have made them "obsolete", to their own "destruction" by following the "false prophets (Matthew 7:13-15), and the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter. You are free to travel the wide path to "destruction", but when that destruction comes, what is going to be your excuse for choosing the darkness of the false prophet over the light given by the "son of man". Double speak will only get you so far.

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Elohim/God wrote the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation through Empty Vessels to make Salvation Known. I recognise that there are some Corrupt Translations that Satan/Devil Corrupted.


Elohim/God Rules in Earth and in Heaven. The Universal Roman Catholic Church is Elohim's/Gods Ordained Temporal Rule on Earth.


The members of the Universal Roman Catholic Church corrupt Paul the Apostle's Writings to Maintain the Flesh/Sin. This is the Nature of Elohim's/God's Temporal Church.


Paul the Apostle is Inspired Totally Devoted Servant of Elohim/God teaching that you Must do works Under the Law and that you Must Keep the Law.



On Christian Gnosticism

Christian Gnosticism means Private Knowledge as opposed to Public Knowledge and Esoteric Knowledge as opposed to Exoteric Knowledge. Elohim/God teaches in the Holy Scriptures/Bible Esoteric and Exoteric knowledge. Exoteric/Public Knowledge is for Elohim's/God's Earthly Church.


Gnosticism

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός, romanized: gnōstikós, Koine Greek: [ɣnostiˈkos], 'having knowledge') is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects.[1] These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions.

Gnosticism - Wikipedia

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[2ndpillar]

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Elohim/God wrote the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation through Empty Vessels to make Salvation Known. I recognise that there are some Corrupt Translations that Satan/Devil Corrupted.


Elohim/God Rules in Earth and in Heaven. The Universal Roman Catholic Church is Elohim's/Gods Ordained Temporal Rule on Earth.


The members of the Universal Roman Catholic Church corrupt Paul the Apostle's Writings to Maintain the Flesh/Sin. This is the Nature of Elohim's/God's Temporal Church.


Paul the Apostle is Inspired Totally Devoted Servant of Elohim/God teaching that you Must do works Under the Law and that you Must Keep the Law.



On Christian Gnosticism

Christian Gnosticism means Private Knowledge as opposed to Public Knowledge and Esoteric Knowledge as opposed to Exoteric Knowledge. Elohim/God teaches in the Holy Scriptures/Bible Esoteric and Exoteric knowledge. Exoteric/Public Knowledge is for Elohim's/God's Earthly Church.


Gnosticism

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός, romanized: gnōstikós, Koine Greek: [ɣnostiˈkos], 'having knowledge') is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects.[1] These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions.

Gnosticism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well, that sounds a little like double speak. Paul's pal, whoever wrote Hebrews, says that the law is "obsolete" and passing away, yet here we still have heaven and earth. Paul wrote that the law and ordinances were nailed to a cross, and that if you are strong in faith, well, hell, you can eat what is sacrificed to the gods/idols, because the gods do not exist. As for your "spiritual knowledge", why then do you need teachers such as Paul, and his appointed "teachers", if the "annointing" is all you need? (1 John 2:27). Paul was chosen to "fulfill" the Law and the prophets in the context of Zechariah 11:7-10, whereas Paul was to be the one to "break My covenant" which I had made with all the peoples" (Zech 11:10), which would be the covenant made with "Abraham", whose name means "father of nations"/peoples. Paul was chosen as 1 of 3 "shepherds" who "I annihilated" in "one month"(generation), of whom the other two were Peter (Zech 11:16-17) and Judas Iscariot (Zech 11:12-13). As for Peter and his heir, the pope, having the keys of David, and being put in charge of the "royal household" (church), well, that is a fulfillment of the "prophets" in the form of Isaiah 22:15-25, whereas the outcome is that the holder of the keys of David will "fall", and those "hanging on will be cut off". I suggest you drop the false prophet Paul and go back and read the Law and the prophets, otherwise, supporting the "false prophet" might get you into trouble (Revelation 14:10), and as being you are in "her"(daughters of Babylon) of Revelation 18:4, then you are already partaking in "her" "plagues".

 

[2ndpillar]

I'm not confused. Everything changes.

It hasn't changed for the Jews who were given the instructions of how to keep the Passover. On the other hand, other than the Roman Catholic church eliminating Passover at the Council of Nicaea, in favor of worshipping on the feast of Astarte, I have never heard of any Gentile church keeping Passover on a Sunday previous to Easter. But, then again, things change, and now Satan is worshipped in New York with his own church, and the Scientologist try and emulate Satan as the central part of their religion. Apparently Har-Magedon is close, for the demon spirit of the devil/Satan and his false prophet, has overtaken the leaders of the world (Revelation 16:13-16).

 

[2ndpillar]

Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


The info is much appreciated.

The Religious Practices you describe are Temporal Rituals/Rites for Elohim's/God's Universal Earthly Church. Temporal Rituals/Rites
commemorating the Historical Yeshua/Jesus maintains the Temporal State and is Powerless Against Sin.

If you Desire to Overcome the World/Temporal Becoming Sinless you have to search out the Deeper Mysteries in, for example, the 14 Stations of the Cross.

I have a close Roman Catholic relative that usually practices Lent for 40 days Fasting from Meat and Alcohol that they habitually consume daily. Will you be Fasting at all during this Holyday/Holiday season?



I will be on Holyday/Holiday for 2 weeks and 2 days during Passover/Easter striving for Total Devotion towards Elohim/God. During this time I Fast, Pray, Study the Holy Scriptures/Bible, Meditate Deeply on the Scriptures, Holy Thinking, Holy Writings, Holy Listening, Holy Watching and Playing Worship Guitar. It is a Monks Holyday/Holiday.

When the "son of man" returns (Matthew 24:29) "immediately after the tribulation", when the "kingdoms" of Daniel 2:35 are "crushed", then the "Word of God", will rule over the nations with a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15), from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16). None of that has happened, nor has the "day of the LORD" arrived when all the nations/Gentiles will be gathered into the valley of judgment/Haro-Magedon (Joel 2:31 - 3:2) (Revelation 16:16). If you have a relative old enough to keep the 40 days of Lent, she was also probably taught that if she misses the pagan feast of Astarte/Easter, she is given a free ticket to hell.

 

[Elihoenai]

There are all sorts of Jews who do not practice Judaism. There are many atheist Jews. There are even Jewish apostates who have converted to other religions.

Does the Jewish Community view Jews that don't practice Judaism, Atheist Jews and Jewish Apostates no longer part of Elohim's/God's Chosen People? Does the Ethnic Jewish DNA determine being Elohim's/God's Chosen People?

 

[Elihoenai]

Well, that sounds a little like double speak. Paul's pal, whoever wrote Hebrews, says that the law is "obsolete" and passing away, yet here we still have heaven and earth. Paul wrote that the law and ordinances were nailed to a cross, and that if you are strong in faith, well, hell, you can eat what is sacrificed to the gods/idols, because the gods do not exist. As for your "spiritual knowledge", why then do you need teachers such as Paul, and his appointed "teachers", if the "annointing" is all you need? (1 John 2:27). Paul was chosen to "fulfill" the Law and the prophets in the context of Zechariah 11:7-10, whereas Paul was to be the one to "break My covenant" which I had made with all the peoples" (Zech 11:10), which would be the covenant made with "Abraham", whose name means "father of nations"/peoples. Paul was chosen as 1 of 3 "shepherds" who "I annihilated" in "one month"(generation), of whom the other two were Peter (Zech 11:16-17) and Judas Iscariot (Zech 11:12-13). As for Peter and his heir, the pope, having the keys of David, and being put in charge of the "royal household" (church), well, that is a fulfillment of the "prophets" in the form of Isaiah 22:15-25, whereas the outcome is that the holder of the keys of David will "fall", and those "hanging on will be cut off". I suggest you drop the false prophet Paul and go back and read the Law and the prophets, otherwise, supporting the "false prophet" might get you into trouble (Revelation 14:10), and as being you are in "her"(daughters of Babylon) of Revelation 18:4, then you are already partaking in "her" "plagues".

1 Corinthians 2:11

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.



You Must get the Anointing and the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation instructs how to get the Anointing.

I Am in Total Agreement with everything in the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation.



@2ndpillar You have Exoteric/Carnal understanding of Holy Scriptures/Bible and are Member of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church whether you realise this or not. Have you been Baptised? Evidently you are a Sinner. It's Impossible for the Carnal Mind to Stop Sinning.

 

[Elihoenai]

When the "son of man" returns (Matthew 24:29) "immediately after the tribulation", when the "kingdoms" of Daniel 2:35 are "crushed", then the "Word of God", will rule over the nations with a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15), from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16). None of that has happened, nor has the "day of the LORD" arrived when all the nations/Gentiles will be gathered into the valley of judgment/Haro-Magedon (Joel 2:31 - 3:2) (Revelation 16:16). If you have a relative old enough to keep the 40 days of Lent, she was also probably taught that if she misses the pagan feast of Astarte/Easter, she is given a free ticket to hell.

Daniel 4:17

17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


Your teachings are Exoteric/Carnal teachings of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church. The Deceptive Genius of the Roman Catholic Church is that they can make members of their Universal Church with the member being totally unaware. The Universal Church is a Catch-All for all those Dwelling on the Earth.


Everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God and Ordained by Elohim/God. The Satanic Kingdom is an Earthly Kingdom. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Form. Men prefer Satan/Devil because of Adam's Sinful Inheritance.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Does the Jewish Community view Jews that don't practice Judaism, Atheist Jews and Jewish Apostates no longer part of Elohim's/God's Chosen People? Does the Ethnic Jewish DNA determine being Elohim's/God's Chosen People?

It depends on what you mean. They are still Jews.

If they have converted to another religion, they are apostates and although they are still technically Jews, they lose their rights as Jews. For example, they may not testify in a Jewish court of law, they may not be buried in a Jewish cemetery, etc. So while they are still Jews, they are cut off.

In really real life, different Jews would respond differently. Some Jews might be very angry at a Jew that i.e. became a Christian and not want to associate with them. Other Jews simply feel sad about the apostasy, but don't cut them out of their lives.

Atheists are a different case because atheists are not worshiping foreign gods. In this case, they have a higher status. They are not apostates, but they are heretics, meaning they are still part of the group but what they believe is flawed.

 

[Estro Felino]

Rebirth,
like the spring rebirth after the cold winter. And soul's regeneration.

 

[2ndpillar]

Daniel 4:17

17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


Your teachings are Exoteric/Carnal teachings of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church. The Deceptive Genius of the Roman Catholic Church is that they can make members of their Universal Church with the member being totally unaware. The Universal Church is a Catch-All for all those Dwelling on the Earth.


Everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God and Ordained by Elohim/God. The Satanic Kingdom is an Earthly Kingdom. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Form. Men prefer Satan/Devil because of Adam's Sinful Inheritance.

The "most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will", and his choses are shown in in the Law and the prophets, and he has chosen to choose Peter as his "worthless shepherd" in Zechariah 11:17, and Nebuchanezzar as his head of gold, the first head of the beast of Revelation 17, and Rome as his legs of iron to bring judgment upon the Judah and Ephraim (Hosea 50) and to purchase the "adulteress" (Gentile church) for the equivalence of 30 shekels (Hosea 3 & Zech 11:12-13) of silver for "many days", until Israel returns.

Zech 11:12-13 I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD

Hosea 3:1-3 1Then the LORD said to me, “Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes.” 2So I bought her for myself for fifteen shekels of silver and a homer and a half of barley. 3Then I said to her, “You shall stay with me for many days.

 

[2ndpillar]

1 Corinthians 2:11

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.



You Must get the Anointing and the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation instructs how to get the Anointing.

I Am in Total Agreement with everything in the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation.



@2ndpillar You have Exoteric/Carnal understanding of Holy Scriptures/Bible and are Member of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church whether you realise this or not. Have you been Baptised? Evidently you are a Sinner. It's Impossible for the Carnal Mind to Stop Sinning.

If so, you should abide in the message of the son of man, and "come out of her", the daughter of Babylon, or suffer her "plagues" (Rev 18:4). Also keep in mind Yeshua's parable of the kingdom of heaven, whereas the "enemy" plants his "tare" seed, the gospel of lawlessness, right next to the "good seed", the message of the son of man, the farm owner, and the "tares", the result of the tare seed, will remain unperturbed, until the "end of the age", which is now (Matthew 13:24-30), at which time the tares, the resulting product of the tare seed, are "gathered" and thrown into the "furnace of fire". Your "holy" scripture NT canon comes from Roman Catholic church, who is a daughter of Babylon, who comes with "abominations" (Revelation 17:5). Yeshua's message was that one should abide his message or "fall". (Matthew 7:24-27).

 

[Kathryn]

Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


The info is much appreciated.

The Religious Practices you describe are Temporal Rituals/Rites for Elohim's/God's Universal Earthly Church. Temporal Rituals/Rites
commemorating the Historical Yeshua/Jesus maintains the Temporal State and is Powerless Against Sin.

If you Desire to Overcome the World/Temporal Becoming Sinless you have to search out the Deeper Mysteries in, for example, the 14 Stations of the Cross.

I have a close Roman Catholic relative that usually practices Lent for 40 days Fasting from Meat and Alcohol that they habitually consume daily. Will you be Fasting at all during this Holyday/Holiday season?



I will be on Holyday/Holiday for 2 weeks and 2 days during Passover/Easter striving for Total Devotion towards Elohim/God. During this time I Fast, Pray, Study the Holy Scriptures/Bible, Meditate Deeply on the Scriptures, Holy Thinking, Holy Writings, Holy Listening, Holy Watching and Playing Worship Guitar. It is a Monks Holyday/Holiday.

Yes, of course, for the full 40 days of Lent. There are many ways to observe Lent. One way that I observe Lent is that for forty days I put one item of clothing or whatever per day into a trash bag or laundry basket and then at the end of Lent I donate this bunch of items, typically to a women's shelter. It starts off pretty easy but gets harder and harder as the 40 days goes on, believe me!

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

That translation for Exodus 12:21 shown in the OP may be confusing for some where it quotes: "and kill the Passover." I know it says that literally in the Torah, but many translations into English generally show that "and kill the Passover lamb" or "and kill the Passover sacrifice" is what is implied.

To me, Pesach (Passover) is a celebration of freedom. It also means getting together with family and friends for the seder meal with the specific foods that symbolize and retell the Pesach story. For the first night's seder, I will be at my synagogue where we will be having a community seder immediately following service. For the second night's seder, one of my friends is hosting at her house and I'll be there.

For those who aren't familiar with the Jewish holiday, many Jews in the Diaspora (living outside Israel) hold a separate seder for each the first two nights of Pesach.

 

[pearl]

To me, Pesach (Passover) is a celebration of freedom. It also means getting together with family and friends for the seder meal with the specific foods that symbolize and retell the Pesach story.

I recall what the Passover observance meant to older Jews living in an Orthodox healthcare facility. After the Sader a circle was formed, sitting in wheelchairs no longer able to recline on 'pillows', retold the stories, always beginning with 'My father was a wandering Aramean .

 

[Elihoenai]

It depends on what you mean. They are still Jews.

If they have converted to another religion, they are apostates and although they are still technically Jews, they lose their rights as Jews. For example, they may not testify in a Jewish court of law, they may not be buried in a Jewish cemetery, etc. So while they are still Jews, they are cut off.

In really real life, different Jews would respond differently. Some Jews might be very angry at a Jew that i.e. became a Christian and not want to associate with them. Other Jews simply feel sad about the apostasy, but don't cut them out of their lives.

Atheists are a different case because atheists are not worshiping foreign gods. In this case, they have a higher status. They are not apostates, but they are heretics, meaning they are still part of the group but what they believe is flawed.

Is the determining factor of Elohim's/God's Chosen People Physical Inheritance? Does the Jewish Community view Jews that don't practice Judaism, Jewish Apostates and Jewish Atheists all still the Chosen People in the Eyes of Elohim/God because of their Genes?

 

[Elihoenai]

The "most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will", and his choses are shown in in the Law and the prophets, and he has chosen to choose Peter as his "worthless shepherd" in Zechariah 11:17, and Nebuchanezzar as his head of gold, the first head of the beast of Revelation 17, and Rome as his legs of iron to bring judgment upon the Judah and Ephraim (Hosea 50) and to purchase the "adulteress" (Gentile church) for the equivalence of 30 shekels (Hosea 3 & Zech 11:12-13) of silver for "many days", until Israel returns.

Zech 11:12-13 I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD

Hosea 3:1-3 1Then the LORD said to me, “Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes.” 2So I bought her for myself for fifteen shekels of silver and a homer and a half of barley. 3Then I said to her, “You shall stay with me for many days.

Response to this and further to your post #66: What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?


The Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is the Inspired Word of Elohim/God.

The Holy Scriptures/Bible form Genesis to Revelation is the Christians Holy Book.

Christians believe everything in the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

People that don't believe everything in the Holy Scriptures/Bible are Not Christians.

Members of the Universal Church see different things having different Interpretations.


Me and you, @2ndpillar, are Not Seeing the same Paul and Peter.