What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?

[Elihoenai]

I didn't see this get answered.

Deuteronomy 7:6, the word that is being translated as "above" is not above in Hebrew. It's better translated as "possession" or "treasure". Compare to Malachi 3:17. The Jewish people are treasured, and are unique, special, but not above.

Keep reading to the next verse:

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The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were מֵֽרֻבְּכֶ֞ם "greater" than any people; for you were the הַמְעַ֖ט "lesser" of all peoples;​

Deuteronomy 7:6-7

6 For you are a people consecrated to your God יהוה: of all the peoples on earth your God יהוה chose you to be God’s treasured people.

7 It is not because you are the most numerous of peoples that יהוה grew attached to you and chose you—indeed, you are the smallest of peoples;

Deuteronomy 26:19

19 And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the Lord thy God, as he hath spoken.


The above of Deuteronomy 7:6-7 is direct rendering from Tanakh/Hebrew Bible: Deuteronomy 7:6-7


Deuteronomy 7:6-7 is affirming Israel being the Smallest in Numbers than other peoples and not Less Than/Inferior to.

Deuteronomy 26:19 is affirming Israel being high above all the other nations and has the same rendering in the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible.

 

[Elihoenai]

I actually try to take a more optimistic view of humanity as a whole. Anne Frank, despite the injustice she endured, still believed that there were more good people in the world than bad. I hold on to that belief, because the alternative is to sink into despair and give up on life.

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Isaiah 13:11

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


I get your point of view, although the Optimism is misplaced. The Reality is that Man has Inherited the Sin Nature from Adam and Embody and Inclined to Evil. The Sufferings/Punishments of the World is because of Rebellion Against Elohim/God.

When a person Really Realises that they are Evil Children of the Devil/Satan they will Intentionally return to Elohim/God and that's something to be Optimistic about.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Isaiah 13:11

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


I get your point of view, although the Optimism is misplaced. The Reality is that Man has Inherited the Sin Nature from Adam and Embody and Inclined to Evil. The Sufferings/Punishments of the World is because of Rebellion Against Elohim/God.

When a person Really Realises that they are Evil Children of the Devil/Satan they will Intentionally return to Elohim/God and that's something to be Optimistic about.

If that is what you believe, then that is fine -- for you. I have told you what I believe, and that is fine -- for me.

Please don't preach to me by telling me that I "ought to realize that I am the evil child of the Devil/Satan."

 

[PureX]

I am sure your life is not in your control, but that is an awful way to live. I control where I live, how much I work, who I deal with, what I eat, and what I do with my time and resources.

You think making a choice from among a few options is "control". But it's not. Real control is in the options you're being given to choose from, and the options you're being denied. And that control is not yours.

 

[dybmh]

Deuteronomy 7:6-7

6 For you are a people consecrated to your God יהוה: of all the peoples on earth your God יהוה chose you to be God’s treasured people.

7 It is not because you are the most numerous of peoples that יהוה grew attached to you and chose you—indeed, you are the smallest of peoples;

Deuteronomy 26:19

19 And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the Lord thy God, as he hath spoken.


The above of Deuteronomy 7:6-7 is direct rendering from Tanakh/Hebrew Bible: Deuteronomy 7:6-7


Deuteronomy 7:6-7 is affirming Israel being the Smallest in Numbers than other peoples and not Less Than/Inferior to.

Deuteronomy 26:19 is affirming Israel being high above all the other nations and has the same rendering in the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible.

Please notice that I was correct when I told you that 7:6 does not say "above". Also, if you look up the words in Hebrew in 7:7, you'll see that I am correct with the words in 7:7 also. A direct rendering is "greater" and "lesser". "More numerous" is an interpretation. And the link you brought is for the JPS which is not a direct word-for-word rendering. Originally it came from the ASV and RSV, which in turn came from the KJV. Jewish Publication Society of America Version - Wikipedia

For 26:19 yes, but if you keep reading specifically into 28, God will lift up the Jewish people contingent on strict adherence to the law given to them. Maybe look at Deut 4:6 and let me know what that means to you?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus never made ANY new holy days. Jesus himself of course observed the JEWISH holy days, because he was a Jew.

The remembering of the anniversary of Jesus' death day (Luke 22:19) replaces the Passover for Christians.
The passing of the bread and wine (on Nisan 14) is Not a holy day, but how and when Jesus wants us to remember him.- Luke 22:19
Just as Passover and a wedding anniversary does Not always come on a Friday the anniversary of Jesus' death does Not always come on a Friday.
Easter Sunday is Not a holy day for Christians because Easter is the celebration of Spring.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

To Christians, Easter is about the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.

Easter is Not a Bible word (the resurrection of Spring) and is Not about Jesus' death (Luke 22:19)
Jesus said to remember him -> by his day of death (Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar) which often corresponding to modern Passover date.
Just as Passover and a wedding anniversary does Not always come on a Friday nor does Nisan 14the day alway fall on a Friday.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

.....................................I will be celebrating a completely secularized version of Easter: lots of chocolate, lots of bunny decorations, and no Jesus whatsoever.

Fret not, Easter always was and is a secular celebration.
People adding Jesus' name to a non-biblical word (Easter) does Not make it biblical.
The anniversary of Jesus' resurrection day can't always fall on a Sunday just as Passover and a wedding anniversary is Not always on a Sunday.
Besides, Jesus only gave one annual calendar day (Nisan 14) as the day to remember him - Luke 22:19

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Everyone has to endure injustice, hardship, pain, loss, dread, and so on at various times in their lives. And it takes courage and patience and faith to endure these when we have no control over them, or escape from them. It's important to know that they will pass. And to hold fast.

Yes, endure, and Jesus added to endure to the end at Matt. 24:13
To the end, meaning 'they' will pass.
We can ' hold fast ' because deliverance gets closer with each passing day.
Knowing deliverance is near is a reason to hold fast.
This is why we are all invited to ask God for Jesus to come !
Come and to bring ' healing ' to earth's nations (Rev. 22:2)
In other words knowing that ' healing ' is on the way for humanity.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If Easter celebrates the resurrection, and the resurrection is strictly a Christian doctrine, then the holy day is a Christian holy Day. It's not Buddhist or Muslim or Wiccan or anything else.

Easter I find is Not a Christian doctrine, but Easter is a non-biblical celebration ( Easter is Resurrection of Spring )
Jesus never instructed a celebration of his resurrection, rather Jesus noted his day of death (Nisan 14) as a way to remember / honor him - Luke 22:19

Just as the anniversary of a loved one's day of death is Not always on a Friday, that would also prove true about Jesus' day of death.

 

[2ndpillar]

You think making a choice from among a few options is "control". But it's not. Real control is in the options you're being given to choose from, and the options you're being denied. And that control is not yours.

I disagree. You can choose to abide the speed limit, and not get arrested and have your window broken out for denying presentation of a non-existing driver's license, or you can follow the law and get registration and a license, and remain within the speed limit, and go on your merry way. The chose is yours, although the freedom to not keep the law is limited to evading detection. In the U.S., most people get the option of getting and education, but on the other hand, not all choose to appropriately use that option, and at that time, your life choses can become limited as no one wants to hire an unmotivated, uneducated employee, who may or may not have to rely on drugs and alcohol for their daily motivation. One can "choose" to abuse their use of alcohol, and eat sugars and highly processed vegetable oils, and ultimately lose any semblance of a healthy constitution, or they can choose a healthier route and become a positive influence in the world. The more bad choses a person makes, the more limited are their options which leads to a greater consumption of drugs and alcohol, and a quicker path to "destruction", and the less mental capacity they will have. As for other types of choses, apparently the judges of the higher courts have decided not to hire graduates from "woke" universities. The wrong choses definitely limit one's future paths, until they wind up living on the streets of major Progressive cities, hoping for a free fix with new needles provided.

 

[dybmh]

Someone brought up the murder of the Egyptian first born babies as an example of God's cruelty and injustice. Honestly, that is probably the most important issue to discuss regarding Passover. And Jewish people around the world struggle with this every year. So, I'd like to share my thoughts.

First, let's put this in perspective. The Egyptian decree was all Jewish male babies were to be murdered, and this decree was in place for many years. Compared to, one event, one night, only the first born was killed. Of those, how many were children? We don't really know, but, If there was a crime commited, the punishment was much less severe than the crime.

But even taking this into account, it still seems unfair, unjust, and cruel to punish the entire Egyptian nation, not only with the last plague, but with each plague leading up to it. One way to undertand this is, the Egyptian people were complicit in permitting the atrocity of murdering the Jewish male babies. They were complicit in enslaving and oppressing the Jewish people. A moral nation should have risen up and resisted this sort of tyranny. ( For those looking for scriptural support for this, please see Exodus 1:13 and Exodus 1:22. It wasn't just Pharoah; it was the Egyptians who implemented the decree. )

For this and other reasons, many people focus on social justice, and resisting modern forms of tyranny during the Passover season. The lesson to be learned is, if we are complicit, and permit tyranny to exist in our midst, we are guilty and liable to be extremely punished just as the Egyptians were punished. This can be seen later in the story, when God threatens to destroy the entire Jewish people as a result of an assembly worshipping the golden calf. The Jewish people should have risen up against this, but because they didn't, they were complicit and considered guilty.

So, there's an important lesson being taught in this story beyond the superficial "God is cruel and unjust". These events, these plagues, the sacrifice of innocent life should not be in vain. They should be remembered, and retold, and remain fresh, so that people acknowledge and accept their collective power and responsibility to challenge oppression and tyranny especially if it is coming from our own. And if this happens, then the tragic loss of innocent life can be converted into something good.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Someone brought up the murder of the Egyptian first born babies as an example of God's cruelty and injustice. Honestly, that is probably the most important issue to discuss regarding Passover. And Jewish people around the world struggle with this every year. So, I'd like to share my thoughts.

First, let's put this in perspective. The Egyptian decree was all Jewish male babies were to be murdered, and this decree was in place for many years. Compared to, one event, one night, only the first born was killed. Of those, how many were children? We don't really know, but, If there was a crime commited, the punishment was much less severe than the crime.

But even taking this into account, it still seems unfair, unjust, and cruel to punish the entire Egyptian nation, not only with the last plague, but with each plague leading up to it. One way to undertand this is, the Egyptian people were complicit in permitting the atrocity of murdering the Jewish male babies. They were complicit in enslaving and oppressing the Jewish people. A moral nation should have risen up and resisted this sort of tyranny. ( For those looking for scriptural support for this, please see Exodus 1:13 and Exodus 1:22. It wasn't just Pharoah; it was the Egyptians who implemented the decree. )

For this and other reasons, many people focus on social justice, and resisting modern forms of tyranny during the Passover season. The lesson to be learned is, if we are complicit, and permit tyranny to exist in our midst, we are guilty and liable to be extremely punished just as the Egyptians were punished. This can be seen later in the story, when God threatens to destroy the entire Jewish people as a result of an assembly worshipping the golden calf. The Jewish people should have risen up against this, but because they didn't, they were complicit and considered guilty.

So, there's an important lesson being taught in this story beyond the superficial "God is cruel and unjust". These events, these plagues, the sacrifice of innocent life should not be in vain. They should be remembered, and retold, and remain fresh, so that people acknowledge and accept their collective power and responsibility to challenge oppression and tyranny especially if it is coming from our own. And if this happens, then the tragic loss of innocent life can be converted into something good.

Brilliantly expressed! When we get to the part in the Haggadah about the death of the Egyptian first-born, that has always been a somber part of every seder I've attended. Your point, that this is a lesson about how one mustn't be complicit in evil deeds, adds a deeper level of understanding to the event. What you said here will be a good talking point at the seder I'll be attending tonight. Many thanks!

 

[metis]

Fret not, Easter always was and is a secular celebration.

False and bigoted. It is a religious holiday for those who celebrate it, and it was never assumed that Easter would be the supposed day Jesus was resurrected.

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, endure, and Jesus added to endure to the end at Matt. 24:13
To the end, meaning 'they' will pass.
We can ' hold fast ' because deliverance gets closer with each passing day.
Knowing deliverance is near is a reason to hold fast.
This is why we are all invited to ask God for Jesus to come !
Come and to bring ' healing ' to earth's nations (Rev. 22:2)
In other words knowing that ' healing ' is on the way for humanity.

Not all were allowed within the gates (Rev 22:15) for your "healing", and according to Hosea 5:15-6:2, that "healing" for Judah and Ephraim will happen after two days (2000 years) on the 3rd day after they "acknowledge their guilt". As for Matthew 24:13, the "end" will be the "day of the LORD"(Joel 2:31-32), the "great tribulation (Mt 24:21), whereas deliverance will be according to Joel 2:31 for those on "Mount Zion" and in "Jerusalem" with the "elect" barely making it through that time, although that "time" was "cut short" to allow some to come through that "great tribulation" (Mt 24:22). As for "endure" to the end, well, that means one must heed Yeshua's message, which is to keep the Commandments,and not the message of the "false prophets" of Matthew 7:13-15, the "message" of the "enemy" (Matthew 13:22). While everyone may be within the period of the "tribulation" (Mt 24:9), the "great tribulation" is waiting for the "kingdom" to be preached to all the nations (Mt 24:14), which is the start of the "end". As for why you need "healing", is because you remain in your sin, and the message of the kingdom, is one must confess their sins and repent. One "endures" their plagues, because they have not come out of "her", the "her" being the daughters of Babylon, the Gentile churches (Rev 18:4) under leadership of the false prophet Paul and his supposed pal/friend Peter (Zech 11:17), the "worthless shepherd".

Mt 24:14: This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come

 

[2ndpillar]

False and bigoted. It is a religious holiday for those who celebrate it, and it was never assumed that Easter would be the supposed day Jesus was resurrected.

The party narrative is that "Jesus" was resurrected on Easter morning, even among Roman Catholics. It is also the party line that "Jesus" was born on the 25th of December. The 25th of December is the birth date of Sol Invictus, the god of the Roman emperor Constantine, who convened the Nicene Council, during which "Easter" was inserted in place of Passover, and is with respect to the goddess Astarte, and her spring festival dating. It is all pagan in nature, and "false" in content, and "bigoted" towards paganism.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

False and bigoted. It is a religious holiday for those who celebrate it, and it was never assumed that Easter would be the supposed day Jesus was resurrected.

If it was never assumed then why celebrate it as a non-biblical Easter Sunday .
As the anniversary date of a loved ones death does Not always come on a Friday or a Sunday neither does Nisan 14 or Nisan 15,16,17......

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Not all were allowed within the gates (Rev 22:15) for your "healing", and according to Hosea 5:15-6:2, that "healing" for Judah and Ephraim will happen after two days (2000 years) on the 3rd day after they "acknowledge their guilt". As for Matthew 24:13, the "end" will be the "day of the LORD"(Joel 2:31-32), the "great tribulation (Mt 24:21), whereas deliverance will be according to Joel 2:31 for those on "Mount Zion" and in "Jerusalem" with the "elect" barely making it through that time, although that "time" was "cut short" to allow some to come through that "great tribulation" (Mt 24:22). As for "endure" to the end, well, that means one must heed Yeshua's message, which is to keep the Commandments,and not the message of the "false prophets" of Matthew 7:13-15, the "message" of the "enemy" (Matthew 13:22). While everyone may be within the period of the "tribulation" (Mt 24:9), the "great tribulation" is waiting for the "kingdom" to be preached to all the nations (Mt 24:14), which is the start of the "end". As for why you need "healing", is because you remain in your sin, and the message of the kingdom, is one must confess their sins and repent. One "endures" their plagues, because they have not come out of "her", the "her" being the daughters of Babylon, the Gentile churches (Rev 18:4) under leadership of the false prophet Paul and his supposed pal/friend Peter (Zech 11:17), the "worthless shepherd".
Mt 24:14: This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come

But the opportunity for the ' healing ' of earth's nations (Rev. 22:2) was open to all of humanity.
It is just that Not all will end up accepting Christ, that is why Matt. 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all.

Besides Matt. 24:13 being applied to the figurative living ' sheep and goats ' at Jesus' coming Glory Time of separation - Matt. 25:31-34,37
those who endured and died faithful to the end ( of one's life ) will have a resurrection with the righteous ones - Acts 24:15
Also, I find the ' start of the end ' is the ' final signal ', so to speak, found at 1st Thess. 5:2-3 when the powers in charge will be saying, " Peace and Security..." which will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14.
That Rosy saying will be designed to lead people down the Primrose Path instead of to Christ.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Fret not, Easter always was and is a secular celebration.

Easter is Resurrection Sunday -- the day Christians remember what they believe to be Jesus' resurrection. Now, I you REALLY think that's secular, then I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Mt 24:14: This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come

Yes, the whole ' international ' world just as it is Now being done.
Even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible so people in remote areas can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.

Jesus is the figurative ' stone ' of Daniel 2:44-45 that will bring an end to all corrupted kingdoms / governments. - 1st Cor. 15:24-26