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what does Satan do to be successful?

.lava

Veteran Member
hi :)

if you could stare at history from a distance, you would see the very same religion with different names had the same destiny all over again. that is Satan's work. good work, what can i say? he managed to fool people with the same game. what was the game?

religion of Islam was very strong while Prophet was here on earth. after his death, people continued the exact same practices. 200 years later two imams stood up. they had different comments on faith. instead of practicing prayers, they started to argue about faith. as a result, masses divided in three. smallest amount of people did continue practices of Islam. they did not care for what those two imam said or how they described faith. these small amount of people named as people of Tasavvuf. the other two were two opposite sides. one side who believed one imam and the other side who believed the other imam. this is the exact breaking point. because after this divination, both sides did not pay attention to what religion was about. they only care things on the surface. of course, thanks to those two blinded men, there've been others who did follow them and came up with personal descriptions. each dared to write their own personal commentary of Qur'an. it continued until today. now there are many different commentaries as there are many people who call themselves Muslims but for being one they are enemies to each other. because the commentaries they believe contradict. while one of them says an act is sin, the other one says it is not.

in Qur'an, there are no divinations such as Sunni, Shee, Alevi..etc. there is only one religion in Qur'an. that is success of Satan, dividing people. same thing happened to Christianity. there are many different churches now. we should know real religion of God does not divide people, it unites.


thank you for your time:)
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
we should know real religion of God does not divide people, it unites.

This I agree with.

Any religion which embraces this ideal is for me a holy/spiritual faith, as it is then for me compatible with the concept of the 'greater good', and gets the big thumbs up!
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
what does Satan do to be successful?
There is really not much that Satan has to do. Word of mouth and powerful public relations departments can contribute quite a bit to Satan's notoriety.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Satan's greatest allies are the Abrahamic religions, they do more to keep Satan's name in the public than anyone, including Satan. (which of course there is no Satan)
 

wednesday

Jesus
Satan keep's God in business. Without satan there would be no fear of God among his sheep. To keep his flock in check he employs satan to punish those who question him. I don't believe satan exists, more he is an entity to propose freedom from opression and boundaries.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Dubya is successful??? :eek: At what? Sounding stupid?
He's gotten virtually everything he's wanted since he became president, and he seems to be quite pleased with himself about it all. I think he certainly thinks he's successful.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
He uses sound waves.

He was the mistro of sound in heaven, got fired, and you got hired, but still satan has the gift of sound to do with whatever he wants and so do you. Dont use it to help cause hurt and trouble.

Love
Heneni
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Don't you think it is time we stopped blaming mythical beings for humanity's "failings?"
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Absolutely Darkness I could not agree more.

The devil does not make people do it anymore. Its their own hearts that cause the sorrow on this planet.

We have the power of words, we have the power to make sounds. These sounds can ruin or help people. So in effect we could be acting in the interest of Satan.

Which does exist.

If and when God judges mankind all they need to do is say 'the devil made me do it'. That would mean he has to pass sentence on the devil, and we are all free from guilt.:no:

Satan wont be the exit sign. Humans have to take the responsibility themselves for what they have done.

We must own up to what WE decide to do.

Love
heneni
 

oldtest.

New Member
one would have to ask , what is satans plan, is to have men commit sin and go to hell ?thats a gimme but none think of the bottom line and thats to have all praise, bible- he wants to set his throne above the throne of God, koran, iblis will stand on Gods path before them, behind them to the left and to the right, so that when God comes back none will be worshipping him, seems simple to me anything or anyone that pulls you away from God and says worship me avoid, in the book of habbuk 2:4-6 it reads his soul which is lifted IS NOT UPRIGHT IN HIM :BUT the just will live by his faith if you continue on in 5 and 6 it should convince you to run as it suggest in the 2nd verse( lets see this prophecy of jesus that states his soul is crooked and is as death that cannot be satisfied is your lord and savior ?in the book of jer.4:7 it reads of a destroyer of the gentiles thats on his way, who is this ? anyone sent or that came for the gentiles that any of you can think of? acts 9:15. someone please explain , im just a no good sinner who dont know nuttin coincidence or connection?
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Satan was defeated on the cross.

From gods point of view satan is not an adversary to Him, He defeated him. He is only an adversary to us. And we can 'defeat' him too. Like father like son. We defeat him by resisting him and the ideas and the thoughts he places in our mind and by overcoming the impulses of the flesh that lead us to sin. We overcome him by not doing what adam and eve failed to do. Refuse to listen to him.

I believe that satan intended to use power to overthrow God, but now the children of god has power to overthrow him in their lives.

Have you ever wondered why god did not just destroy the devil, the root of evil, to save us from the bitter consequences of such. If god wanted to cure 'evil' why did he not just root it out, root the devil out? Cause then he would have had to root all of us out.

All of his beings were created with the ability to turn against god if they so wished. One must love god out of choice, not because there are no other options available. If you choose to not love him, it wont set you free from the consequences of such. Just like if you do love him, you will bear the consequences of such.

All of his beings will always have the ability to turn against him if they so wished.

Colossians 2: 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Love
Heneni
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Satan was defeated on the cross.

From gods point of view satan is not an adversary to Him, He defeated him. He is only an adversary to us. And we can 'defeat' him too. Like father like son. We defeat him by resisting him and the ideas and the thoughts he places in our mind and by overcoming the impulses of the flesh that lead us to sin. We overcome him by not doing what adam and eve failed to do. Refuse to listen to him.

Likewise, we can overcome the power of God by refusing to submit or yield. We can defeat God by stop trying to be something we are not. Satan was not defeated because he is not the Enemy of Humanity. His quarrel is solely with his Father.

What though the field be lost?
All is not lost--the unconquerable will,
And study of revenge, immortal hate,
And courage never to submit or yield:
And what is else not to be overcome?
That glory never shall his wrath or might
Extort from me. To bow and sue for grace
With suppliant knee, and deify his power


Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

I believe that satan intended to use power to overthrow God, but now the children of god has power to overthrow him in their lives.

Satan knew exactly what would happen. He knew he would be defeated eventually. It is a battle of ideologies -- Freedom (Satan) versus Authoritarianism (God).
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Hello darkness!

Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

Interesting never thought of it that way....

The thing about god is, that he is a servant himself. We never bring god anyting he brings us the sunlight, the seasons, he basically keeps us alive and fed and serves us each day.

So the God of the universe, is the servant of man, yet has far more power than any of those he serves. It is therefore the opposite with satan, satan wanting power without serving, but that power is limited, since real power, as one can see with God, comes from serving.

If you say that you can defeat God by not submitting to him, will you have victory by submitting to the devil? I dont think so, since in his kingdom, no-one is willing to submit to the other, and eventually they will all cut each others throughts.

So you could say god defeated satan in the sense that he saved his children from satans grip, but satan is the one who ultimatedly defeats himself. His kingdom divided can not stand. It is divided cause no one wants to serve but everyone wants to reign.

In gods kingdom the more you serve the more you reign.


heneni
 

logician

Well-Known Member
He's gotten virtually everything he's wanted since he became president, and he seems to be quite pleased with himself about it all. I think he certainly thinks he's successful.

Successful at being a fascist.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
I'm going to borrow a line from a movie called, "Usual Suspects"

"The greatest trick that the devil played on people was that he never existed."

I'm sure I didn't quote the line verbatim but you'll get the idea.
 
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