What does the fossil record say?

[wilsoncole]

I've never understood why so many creationists believe lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life supports any part of their position. If we find life in the universe to be very very rare this only supports a more atheist position there is no 'creator' seeding the universe with life. The existence of useless to life planets certainly doesn't support the existence of an intelligent grand designer.

I would think if we find the universe teeming with life, especially intelligent life, this would more suggest the existence of a Life Creator.

Sorry for continuing to allow Wilsoncole to run off topic, but he seems incapable of sticking to it.
Our Sun is a mediocre star among hundreds of billions in a mediocre galaxy among hundreds of billions, just by sheer natural process it HAD to happen somewhere.

You want to play only if you own the ball - right?
I could respond to this, but if I do, would you not be contributing to what you're complaining about?
Then don't keep drinking the beer if you don't like the taste!

 

[wilsoncole]

I see, I wasn't following you. I wouldn't strike science out too soon. Most problems we have set our minds to we have solved, eventually, and I would put my money on this being one of them.

I suppose living in peace and finding security are not big enough problems to which the best minds should be put.
And I suppose that all the work being done on nuclear and biological warfare is important enough to continue.

Shows where your priorities lie.

 

[micrurus]

I suppose living in peace and finding security are not big enough problems to which the best minds should be put.
And I suppose that all the work being done on nuclear and biological warfare is important enough to continue.

Shows where your priorities lie.

you should know that most of the money is going into finding a way to reverse the buildup of nucliar weapons left from the cold war.

and most of the money is going into reasurch to prevent the threat of a biological attack.

if some one was able to get their hands on ebola (not created by science) and released the didease in an airport. do you have any idea how screwed we would be?

science does, and that why science is researching diseases like ebola.

besides, why did your god create ebola?

 

[wilsoncole]

I've never understood why so many creationists believe lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life supports any part of their position. If we find life in the universe to be very very rare this only supports a more atheist position there is no 'creator' seeding the universe with life. The existence of useless to life planets certainly doesn't support the existence of an intelligent grand designer.

I would think if we find the universe teeming with life, especially intelligent life, this would more suggest the existence of a Life Creator.

Sorry for continuing to allow Wilsoncole to run off topic, but he seems incapable of sticking to it.
Our Sun is a mediocre star among hundreds of billions in a mediocre galaxy among hundreds of billions, just by sheer natural process it HAD to happen somewhere.

On second thought, I think I will:
Space Exploration Disproves Evolution by Josh Greenberger

 

[wilsoncole]

you should know that most of the money is going into finding a way to reverse the buildup of nucliar weapons left from the cold war.

and most of the money is going into reasurch to prevent the threat of a biological attack.

if some one was able to get their hands on ebola (not created by science) and released the didease in an airport. do you have any idea how screwed we would be?

science does, and that why science is researching diseases like ebola.

besides, why did your god create ebola?

What god?
Either it occrred naturally or science made it.
Isn't that the way your favorite explanations go?
And you thought smallpox has been eradicated!
Not if these smart scientists can help it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/pox_weapon_01.shtml

 

[micrurus]

On second thought, I think I will:
Space Exploration Disproves Evolution by Josh Greenberger

Oh please,
I am aware of life on the vents around the mid oceanic ridges, I am aware of life in thermal vents, I am aware of life that uses sulfur as an energy source I am even aware of life feeding on the unstable molecules in the waste of chernobil.

please give me 1 example of a case ware we could proporly examine life in our solar system.

and then tell my why there cant be life in the universe if there isnt life in our solar system with the exception of our planet.

I wouldn't even call that article you gave pseudoscience. it would not even last 10 seconds in the scientific arena.

 

[micrurus]

What god?
Either it occrred naturally or science made it.
Isn't that the way your favorite explanations go?
And you thought smallpox has been eradicated!
Not if these smart scientists can help it:
BBC - History - World Wars: Silent Weapon: Smallpox and Biological Warfare

thats why I called it YOUR god, as "in the assumption that your god created everything, how can you moraly justify his creation of ebola?"

i congratulate you on giving me a trustworthy source.

yes your right, it is much better to keep smallpox out of the laboratory and keep it in the world.

you can hardly call some one a scientist for figuring out that you profit out of making an enemy sick. they did not invent smallpox.

and you just gave a perfect example to why alot of money is spend to further the scientific knowledge that helps prevent the threat of biological warfare.

 

[Autodidact]

I suppose living in peace and finding security are not big enough problems to which the best minds should be put.

Not really what is meant by scientific problems.

And I suppose that all the work being done on nuclear and biological warfare is important enough to continue.

that would be a political question.

Shows where your priorities lie.

Yes, I place a high priority on the truth, and I believe the scientific method is the best way to get it. I believe you disagree, correct?

 

[wilsoncole]

Oh please,
I am aware of life on the vents around the mid oceanic ridges, I am aware of life in thermal vents, I am aware of life that uses sulfur as an energy source I am even aware of life feeding on the unstable molecules in the waste of chernobil.

Sure, you're aware of it - AFTER you read it from the link!

please give me 1 example of a case ware we could proporly examine life in our solar system.

I don't even know what that means and I doubt if you do too.

and then tell my why there cant be life in the universe if there isnt life in our solar system with the exception of our planet.

You got me again, Miraculous! I have no idea what you're talking about.

I wouldn't even call that article you gave pseudoscience. it would not even last 10 seconds in the scientific arena.

Still - you have not refuted it.
Why not?

 

[micrurus]

Sure, you're aware of it - AFTER you read it from the link!

I knew about it from when i was 13 years old, I even know that the first animals collected from the MOR was preserved in vodka because they ware collected on a geology servey and they didn't have any apropriate ways to preserve their findings

 

[outhouse]

 

[wilsoncole]

Originally Posted by micrurus ignoring the plagiarism (im not gonna go into that)
we have disproven many of your arguements. why do you still bother using an arguement that has been proven to carry no value?

for example, ur german professors nobel prise winners quote.
for the third time thats an argument against abiogenesis, NOT evolution.

next, there is a compleat thread discussing why atheists can discuss religion.
Why do you come here? (To atheists)
read it, and if you dont find a satisfying motive, i will be happy to give you atleast 50 more.



an argument based on presumptions and no evidence. thanks for demonstrating the religious method.

what is such a comment good for? you onley prove your own ignorance and intolorance.

Are you OK?
Did you threaten me?
Did you accuse me of plagiarism?
Are you single?
I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU!
Didn't you notice that I was responding to Autodidact?
Why are you answering for her?
She is quite able to fight her own battles.
Give her the opportunity to do so.
　

 

[tumbleweed41]

Are you OK?
Did you threaten me?
Did you accuse me of plagiarism?
Are you single?
I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU!
Didn't you notice that I was responding to Autodidact?
Why are you answering for her?
She is quite able to fight her own battles.
Give her the opportunity to do so.
　

This is an open forum.
You want one on one debate? Start a thread in One on One Debates.
You don't like multiple challenges? To bad, members are free to comment in the open debate forums on any post.

And don't worry, Auto will get to you soon enough.

 

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by micrurus ignoring the plagiarism (im not gonna go into that)
we have disproven many of your arguements. why do you still bother using an arguement that has been proven to carry no value?

for example, ur german professors nobel prise winners quote.
for the third time thats an argument against abiogenesis, NOT evolution.

next, there is a compleat thread discussing why atheists can discuss religion.
Why do you come here? (To atheists)
read it, and if you dont find a satisfying motive, i will be happy to give you atleast 50 more.



an argument based on presumptions and no evidence. thanks for demonstrating the religious method.

what is such a comment good for? you onley prove your own ignorance and intolorance.

Are you OK?
Did you threaten me?
Did you accuse me of plagiarism?
Are you single?
I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU!
Didn't you notice that I was responding to Autodidact?
Why are you answering for her?
She is quite able to fight her own battles.
Give her the opportunity to do so.
　

You may want to take the time to learn our rules and customs here. First, it is our rule and custom for posters to create their own original work, primarily.

Second, this is a public forum, and anyone is welcome to participate and respond.

Third, it is customary to discuss the the subject, rather than launch personal attacks on other members. We consider that more productive. For that reason, neither I nor my lovely life-partner will be dignifying your post with a response.

Finally, we make some effort to address our remarks to the thread topic.

Now, do you have any substantive to say on the subject of this thread? If not, you do not belong in it. If so, I look forward to discussing it with you.

 

[painted wolf]

So about those Ashfall fossil beds... death before the fall and pre-adamic worlds that have been destroyed, strongly implies that either the Bible is mistaken... or that God is less than perfect and possibly a trickster.


wa:do

 

[DeistPrimate]

You want to play only if you own the ball - right?
I could respond to this, but if I do, would you not be contributing to what you're complaining about?
Then don't keep drinking the beer if you don't like the taste!

You just keep bringing a football to a basketball game, and you don't even know how to play either football or basketball.

I think a thread about the common misunderstanding creationists have regarding what the rarity of life in the universe would mean is in order.

 

[DeistPrimate]

I did start a new thread
Creationists arguing lack of extraterrestrial life supports anti-evolution position.

 

[Amill]

Can you tell me, please - how many? I don't think you know.
I can tell you that not half as many as were killed in the 20th century ALONE, with the able assistance of science, by world wars and their accompanying "collateral damage."

What IS science? In my opinion it's basically just our curiosity to look for explanations and understand the observations we find. If we condemn science it's basically just condemning curiosity. It was our curiosity to understand and use fire that lead us to use it for warmth, protection, and community. Now people use it for not only that, but also to hurt others. Should we condemn the curiosity our old relatives had for fire?

speaking hypothetically for sec

If the tree of knowledge represents curiosity, is god's orders to Adam and Eve not to eat from it just a story? Or is it still supposed to send a message to all mankind not to follow their curiosity to understand the world around them?

 

[wilsoncole]

quote=wilson;
Only a day ago I wrote this:
"I promise you this: The ToE will collapse with the biggest thud you ever heard.
Financial troubles will lead the way. Just wait."

Autodidact:

And I should rely on your promises because...? As opposed to ToE, which has kept every promise.

Well!
I didn't know about this discussion then, but look at what they are discussing here:
((( 25 Signs of The Coming Financial Collapse}}} - Topix

Do you think this will not happen?
These people obviously think so.

And please take a very good look at the last line of this webpage:

The End of Today’s Economic Systems - Windows Live

What will happen to the ToE WHEN it all comes down?

You just cannot build a high-rise structure without a foundation.
It is bound to collapse.
Who will hold it up - you?

 

[outhouse]

None of that junk has anything to do with fossils