What does the fossil record say?

[wilsoncole]

Right again. You have just stated that you are wrong.

That only make us even.

But science is the best way to find out, don't you agree?

Not always.
What was science trying to find out when it made methamphetamine, "agent orange," thalidomide, heroin, LSD, firearms, nuclear weapons and caused the countless deaths at Hiroshima, Bhopal, Love Canal, Chernobyl, Nagasaki and the inability to clean up its own technological waste? The responsibility lies at the foot of science. When you create things that facilitate the deaths of millions, you’re just as bloodguilty as the ones employing them.

What things?

Here goes:
If all the objects in the universe had the same beginning at the Big Bang, why is there not a sign of life on any other planet? Hostile environments are no deterrent to the proliferation of life as is evident at the thermal vents, Death Valley and the North Pole.

You mean, like if I pick up a rock, it has always looked exactly like that? The continents and mountains are exactly where they always were?[/

Rocks, continents and mountains are NOT animate objects.

What is a "kind?"

The ultimate criterion for determining family “kinds” is sterility.
Felines and bovines cannot interbreed, etc, etc, etc.

Really: Watch me.
There is no such thing as a kind. You are wrong.

Now you know.

There, I just disputed it.

For now.

So you're not even going to state a hypothesis? O.K. you have just given up. You have lost this argument.

And what have you gained?
There are billions of people who do not even know what a hypothesis is. I do not think their lives are a waste.
Do you?
Oh - but for the shallowness!

 

[micrurus]

Not always.
What was science trying to find out when it made methamphetamine, "agent orange," thalidomide, heroin, LSD, firearms, nuclear weapons and caused the countless deaths at Hiroshima, Bhopal, Love Canal, Chernobyl, Nagasaki and the inability to clean up its own technological waste? The responsibility lies at the foot of science. When you create things that facilitate the deaths of millions, you’re just as bloodguilty as the ones employing them.

HOW DARE YOU live a pamered life with modern luxurys, technology, food and medicines, with a life expectancy in the 70's instead of in the 20's, and then slander science? HOW DARE YOU, go and show such disrespect for people who spend all there lives trying to make your life better?

amphetamines are vital in a wide range of drugs, Methamphatemine is used in drugs that help people with ADD and ADHD.

Heroine is a derivative from opium, the primary ingrediant in ALMOST ALL painkillers
LSD is politicly slandered, research of the drug have proven that it is not as harmfull as thought, that it can help people with clusterheadaches and that it can increase the creativity of people. Firearms are misused the most in holy wars and by people that kill in the name of god! Nucliar weapons (and nagasaki) ware researched in almost UNIVERSAL agreement with the citicans of the us when they found out germany was reasurching it in WWII.
HOW DARE YOU use chernobil as an example against science when you live a pampered life with electricity supplied in part of power plants?

HOW DARE YOU demonise science in this way, while you leach off of it, while it is the one thing that got us out of the dark ages (and religion is the one thing that got us in to it), while it is doing research against things like aids and cancer?

what are you?

immensly ignorant
or
horribly unthankfull and hypocritical

howmany holy warrs have been fought?
howmany people ware killed by the hammer of witches?
howmany people did god kill in the OT?
howmany people ware burned to death for claiming thing like a round earth?

seriously, HOW DARE YOU?

 

[micrurus]

Here goes:
If all the objects in the universe had the same beginning at the Big Bang, why is there not a sign of life on any other planet? Hostile environments are no deterrent to the proliferation of life as is evident at the thermal vents, Death Valley and the North Pole.

we have never decently looked for it! not even within out solar system.
and dont even think about playing the mars robot card, because the mission of the mars robots was NOT to find life!

we have barely even taken a proper look into our own solar system. and do you have any idea of howmany solar systems there are?

 

[Autodidact]

'Course I did!
You just were not careful enough to check. Or - you did not understand the abbreviations. Let me show you:
The theory was suggested in the eighteenth century but did not receive general acceptance until the publication of Sir Charles Lyell’s Principles of Geology (1830-1833). In explanation of this idea Lyell pioneered the opinion that all the sedimentary rocks were deposited by extremely slow processes, such as rain washing loose sand down a mountain slope to a river; the river carrying these sediments into the sea. We are told that the sea basin would fill up, the water being pushed over onto the former land area. Then the process starts over again. And thus the continents have seesawed back and forth for countless aeons of time."
(g70 9/22 p. 9)
This is what comes off the books and magazines I have on CD.
The "g" means Awake! magazine, 1970 Sep. 22 issue, page 9)

There is a customary and required way to do this here at RF, and this is not it. If you want to cite something, either state what it is and by whom, or provide a link to it.

Stop screaming, go back and check my quotes. Other people use those same sources on their own websites.
Example:
A question for anyone who believed the Flood happened.? - Yahoo! Answers
Check carefully the reply from "the other Paul M."
In most cases, they do not name their source.

I do.

If you want to have the privilege of posting here, you need to learn the forum rules and how to comply with them. No one is screaming at you; I'm trying to help you learn how to be a productive member of this community.

 

[fantome profane]

we have never decently looked for it! not even within out solar system.
and dont even think about playing the mars robot card, because the mission of the mars robots was NOT to find life!

we have barely even taken a proper look into our own solar system. and do you have any idea of howmany solar systems there are?

Exactly, especially when you consider the kind of microscopic life forms that may exist in those extreme conditions. Our solar system may be teeming with them for all we know.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Actually, it's hard to even get them to say what their ideas are. For example, wilson has yet to share his personal hypothesis for the diversity of species on earth.

No, of course, we can't have them providing something that might actually be falsifiable, can we?

 

[Autodidact]

That only make us even.

Not always.
What was science trying to find out when it made methamphetamine, "agent orange," thalidomide, heroin, LSD, firearms, nuclear weapons and caused the countless deaths at Hiroshima, Bhopal, Love Canal, Chernobyl, Nagasaki and the inability to clean up its own technological waste? The responsibility lies at the foot of science. When you create things that facilitate the deaths of millions, you’re just as bloodguilty as the ones employing them.

I'm not asking you a moral question, although I understand you have a lot of trouble distinguishing various subjects. I'm asking you whether, in your view, science is an effective way to learn about the natural world.

Here goes:
If all the objects in the universe had the same beginning at the Big Bang, why is there not a sign of life on any other planet?

(1) Why can you not distinguish between Biology and Astronomy. Universities have entire departments devoted to each of these subjects, but to you it's all one big mush.
(2) I bet if you think really hard you can figure this out for yourself. Here, I'll give you a hint: How do you know there isn't? Have you visited any extra-solar planets? Has anyone?

Hostile environments are no deterrent to the proliferation of life as is evident at the thermal vents, Death Valley and the North Pole.

Yes, so for all we know life may be prevalent throughout the universe. Or not. We simply don't know. Not knowing does not give you license to fill in the gaps with stuff you made up.

Rocks, continents and mountains are NOT animate objects.

That's right, they're inanimate.

The ultimate criterion for determining family “kinds” is sterility.

Could you explain what you're getting at here? Sterility of what?

Felines and bovines cannot interbreed, etc, etc, etc.

Not looking for an example, but an explanation or definition.

Now you know.

Sorry, I didn't understand you. Try again. Something like this: "A kind is ______________________."

For now.

And what have you gained?

Yet more certainty and persuasive ability.

There are billions of people who do not even know what a hypothesis is.

Are you one of them?

I do not think their lives are a waste.
Do you?

No, why do you ask?
Oh - but for the shallowness![/quote]

O.K., well, if you ever come up with a hypothesis, let us know, and we can talk about whether the evidence supports it or not.

 

[painted wolf]

I do not! But I do think it is responsible for some of it.
I am just a Bible believer with no expertise in geology.
I don't think you are either.

never claimed I was.

I think it is time for me to start asking you some tougher questions.

think it's time you answered mine actually... I've answered several f yours

Do you support uniformatarianism or catastrophism?

I support modern geology, which is really neither of those. (though, perhaps more like uniformitarianism.)

Can you prove that the geologic column is correct?

Given it's global distribution, corroborative dating (not just radiometric either) and so on... it is the most reasonable model.

I told you I know nothing about Ashfall, did I not?

Yes, and I answered your questions on it... but those questions were irrelevant to the subject at hand.

How old are those ash beds? Whatever date you present, can you verify it?

Mid Miocene... but this is irrelevant in a discussion of a global flood. The fact that the beds are sandwiched between layers of sedimentary rock (as well as igneous) shows that:
1) not all fossils are formed by sedimentary processes
2) it is impossible for a world wide flood to have produced the fossil record.

You ask me about the flood; I did not ask you. That's taken from the Bible - right? When did, do you suppose, the flood take place?

Not a clue.. there isn't any evidence of a global flood event. I think it is a cultural morality play, used to provide Israelites with a lesson about the nature of god, sin and why sinners are not simply destroyed outright by said god.

If you don't believe it happened, what can I do about that?

If you want to claim that the flood is scientific fact...Provide evidence corroborating it.
Or admit that belief in the flood myth is based on faith alone. There is no shame in believing by faith alone, faith is the ultimate expression of religious devotion.

But faith is not scientific and one can not declare that one's faith is scientific and still claim to have faith.

Who said that the flood and the ashfall were simultaneous occurrences?

So you are proposing cycles of creation and destruction... if so, why is so much of the fossil record prior to the arrival of humans?

If there was no death before the fall, how can you account for the piles of corpses before mankind shows up?

There is no way that fossils and evolution can be properly discussed without involving religion.
That means origins.
(A) "I believe in the concept of God and in his existence."

As do I... but my faith in God is irrelevant to the discussion of scientific facts in this case. Regardless of how life got here, fossils exist and living things evolve.

(B) "I do not understand how the scientific approach alone, as separated from a religious approach, can explain to origin of all things .... In my view the question of origin seems always left unanswered if we explore from a scientific view alone. "

No it just requires an understanding of chemistry and physics.

On the origin of life Townes in part follows the current models, but notes:

(C) "However, I am not at all sure that our present scientific understanding is adequate to explain such a development. Very likely new ideas about complex systems and interactions will be needed. This may even require some type of organizing force or principles Which we do not presently recognize. The simple statement at this point is that I do not know how life originated. "
(Charles H. Townes ( Nobel Prize in Physics together with N. Basow and A. Prokhorov 1964 "for fundamental work in the field of quantum electronics, Which has led to the construction of oscillators and amplifiers based on the maser-laser principle" )
W.-E. Loennig: Nobelpreistraeger und ID

That was true... but we have come a long way in fifty years. It always amuses me that creationists think that knowledge is somehow static... Bill Gates said that "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

"In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2　Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. 3　And God proceeded to say: "Let light come to be." Then there came to be light. 4　After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. 5　And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day." (Genesis 1:1-5)

I do not believe that the creative days of Genesis were each of 24-hour duration.
I believe that everything that has ever been made by man has been the result of words.
Think about it before you chuckle because I can prove it.
That being the case, it really is no difficulty for the supreme creator to utter words of creation to his son, the master worker, and have it done.

That's nice, but it is irrelevant.

About the Ashfall fossil beds... is it your contention that God introduced death prior to the fall?

wa:do

 

[wilsoncole]

HOW DARE YOU live a pamered life with modern luxurys, technology, food and medicines, with a life expectancy in the 70's instead of in the 20's, and then slander science? HOW DARE YOU, go and show such disrespect for people who spend all there lives trying to make your life better?

amphetamines are vital in a wide range of drugs, Methamphatemine is used in drugs that help people with ADD and ADHD.

Heroine is a derivative from opium, the primary ingrediant in ALMOST ALL painkillers
LSD is politicly slandered, research of the drug have proven that it is not as harmfull as thought, that it can help people with clusterheadaches and that it can increase the creativity of people.

These drugs are now a scourge everywhere you find them. More people are harmed by them than are helped. I have been the victim of drug addicts 17 times in the last 24 years.
There is no way they, nor the people who sell them can be controlled.

Firearms are misused the most in holy wars and by people that kill in the name of god!

In whose name did Stalin and PolPot kill? Millions of people lost their lives by men seeking to promote religion and by men seeking to obliterate it.
BOTH sides are wrong! I wonder if you can understand that!

Nucliar weapons (and nagasaki) ware researched in almost UNIVERSAL agreement with the citicans of the us when they found out germany was reasurching it in WWII.

I don't even know what that means so I can't ask you to prove it. Why are you calling me ignorant? At least you can tell what I mean.

HOW DARE YOU use chernobil as an example against science when you live a pampered life with electricity supplied in part of power plants?

You don't how I live. But I can tell you about shotgun houses with potbelly stoves in the middle, outhouses in the yard, kerosene lamps and candles for illumination, standpipes on the street corners for water in West Virginia and North Carolina.
Know anything about that? You do not know how I live, but you can shoot off your mouth.
POWER PLANTS:
You mean the same ones that pollute the environment and add to global warming?
Factories make medicines and other products and pump their wastes into the rivers and oceans, causing more sickness than they cure. You should visit Love Canal.
And you wouldn't be using that side of your mouth if your family were victims at Bhopal, Hiroshima, Chernobyl, Love Canal and Nagasaki.
You don't seem to realize that there is a down side to everything that men have invented, including their systems of government.
That is why God has allowed them to go their own way without interference until they come to realize that the are totally unable to direct themselves in the right way. THEN he will have to put them out of their misery and the misery they cause others.

HOW DARE YOU demonise science in this way, while you leach off of it, while it is the one thing that got us out of the dark ages (and religion is the one thing that got us in to it), while it is doing research against things like aids and cancer?

AIDS is a totally preventable disease and many types of cancer are the result of tobacco and other chemical contaminants introduced into our food and environment.

what are you?
immensly ignorant
or
horribly unthankfull and hypocritical

The hypocrites are the ones who cause the problems and then proudly and loudly proclaim how much effort they exert fighting them.

howmany holy warrs have been fought?
howmany people ware killed by the hammer of witches?
howmany people did god kill in the OT?
howmany people ware burned to death for claiming thing like a round earth?

Can you tell me, please - how many? I don't think you know.
I can tell you that not half as many as were killed in the 20th century ALONE, with the able assistance of science, by world wars and their accompanying "collateral damage."

seriously, HOW DARE YOU?

As much as you dare to ask me questions you cannot answer yourself.
I asked a simple question;
WHAT WAS SCIENCE LOOKING FOR?
You want to try answering that?

LIFE EXPECTANCY:
You are repeating a myth.
Life expectancy was in the 70s and 80s a long, long time ago.

"In themselves the days of our years are seventy years; And if because of special mightiness (heredity) they are eighty years, Yet their insistence is on trouble and hurtful things; For it must quickly pass by, and away we fly." (Psalm 90:10)
This was written in 1070 B.C.E. more that 3,000 years ago.​

Unthankful?
I thank God for causing the sun to shine and for making the wheat grow because science cannot do that.​

Who fed you today, Micrurus?​

 

[wilsoncole]

we have never decently looked for it! not even within out solar system.
and dont even think about playing the mars robot card, because the mission of the mars robots was NOT to find life!

You don't even know what is involved here. Let me fill you in.
I told Autodidact that there are some things we humans will never find out. She asked me: "Like what?" It was then that I told her about the lack of any evidence of life on other planets although they all had the same start at the Big Bang.
Am I wrong? You really think they haven't looked for it? Wise up!

we have barely even taken a proper look into our own solar system. and do you have any idea of howmany solar systems there are?

Do you?
Why do you ask me questions you cannot answer yourself?

 

[jarofthoughts]

In whose name did Stalin and PolPot kill?

Their own.

You don't how I live.

We know that you have access to a computer and the internet which means that you are happy to sample of the perks that science has given us, and yet you appear to demonize it. That's hypocrisy.

You mean the same ones that pollute the environment and add to global warming?

Nuclear plants are essentially zero emission. They are among the greenest sources of electrical power we have.

Factories make medicines and other products and pump their wastes into the rivers and oceans, causing more sickness than they cure.

Do you have any sources to back this claim up?

You don't seem to realize that there is a down side to everything that men have invented, including their systems of government.

Religion was also invented by men.

I can tell you that not half as many as were killed in the 20th century ALONE, with the able assistance of science, by world wars and their accompanying "collateral damage."

And yet there are more people living on this planet now than at any other time in history.

I asked a simple question;
WHAT WAS SCIENCE LOOKING FOR?
You want to try answering that?

Simple; Knowledge.

LIFE EXPECTANCY:
You are repeating a myth.
Life expectancy was in the 70s and 80s a long, long time ago.

Only for the last 60-70 years.
Life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In themselves the days of our years are seventy years; And if because of special mightiness (heredity) they are eighty years, Yet their insistence is on trouble and hurtful things; For it must quickly pass by, and away we fly." (Psalm 90:10)
This was written in 1070 B.C.E. more that 3,000 years ago.

And it is highly inaccurate.
You might be confusing average life expectancy with potential life expectancy. A man in his 30's in the middle ages was not considered an old man even if the average life expectancy was around 30-35 years. This is mostly due to infant mortality rates.
Simply put if you have ten people where 5 die within their first year and 5 live to be 70 years old you have an average life expectancy of 35.5 years, but that doesn't mean that people would expect to die off before their 40's, provided that they survived their early childhood.

I thank God for causing the sun to shine and for making the wheat grow because science cannot do that.

The sun shines through a fairly well understood process called fusion, just like every other star of its type. While we cannot fully replicate the sun yet we do know how to make fusion happen. As for the wheat... Green Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Engineered and developed crops are currently feeding more than 75% of the worlds population.

 

[micrurus]

you asked what science was trying to make when they invented these things, I have shown you that science was trying to make something nobel in almost every single one of those cases, you can hardly blame science for the fact that people abuse these products.

These drugs are now a scourge everywhere you find them. More people are harmed by them than are helped. I have been the victim of drug addicts 17 times in the last 24 years.
There is no way they, nor the people who sell them can be controlled.

every single drug was created by science with a noble purpose, people abused them.

In whose name did Stalin and PolPot kill? Millions of people lost their lives by men seeking to promote religion and by men seeking to obliterate it.
BOTH sides are wrong! I wonder if you can understand that!

POlPot is up for debate but Stalin did not kill all those people out of ideology.

You don't how I live. But I can tell you about shotgun houses with potbelly stoves in the middle, outhouses in the yard, kerosene lamps and candles for illumination, standpipes on the street corners for water in West Virginia and North Carolina.
Know anything about that? You do not know how I live, but you can shoot off your mouth.
POWER PLANTS:
You mean the same ones that pollute the environment and add to global warming?
Factories make medicines and other products and pump their wastes into the rivers and oceans, causing more sickness than they cure. You should visit Love Canal.
And you wouldn't be using that side of your mouth if your family were victims at Bhopal, Hiroshima, Chernobyl, Love Canal and Nagasaki.
You don't seem to realize that there is a down side to everything that men have invented, including their systems of government.
That is why God has allowed them to go their own way without interference until they come to realize that the are totally unable to direct themselves in the right way. THEN he will have to put them out of their misery and the misery they cause others.

well then, tell me where I am wrong about you, Im alredy certain that you are not amish because your using a computer.

AIDS is a totally preventable disease and many types of cancer are the result of tobacco and other chemical contaminants introduced into our food and environment.

So we dont need medicines? you would be perfectly fine with the healthcare of the dark ages? science eradicated smallpox tell me how that desease could have been prevented.

Unthankful?
I thank God for causing the sun to shine and for making the wheat grow because science cannot do that.

Who fed you today, Micrurus?​

what feeds me? an infrastructure created by and relying on science.

and yes, I can give you the numbers,
about 32 thousand people ware burned to death because of the hammer of witches
in the old testament, god killed or ordered the death of more than 2017956 people and the destruction of 65 cities where the dead arent even counted.
95% of all the wars ware religios.
i havent bothered to look up howmany people ware burned for claiming something that went against a religion, bet even 1 is to much in my opinion.

EDIT

and don't hesitate to ask for sources because I would be more than happy to provide you with a 20 minute youtube video of some one doing nothing else than summing up every one that god killed.

 

[micrurus]

You don't even know what is involved here. Let me fill you in.
I told Autodidact that there are some things we humans will never find out. She asked me: "Like what?" It was then that I told her about the lack of any evidence of life on other planets although they all had the same start at the Big Bang.
Am I wrong? You really think they haven't looked for it? Wise up!

Do you?
Why do you ask me questions you cannot answer yourself?

I can tell you that its in the order of 10^22-10^24

and simply listening to radiowaves from the universe is not a valid effort in the search of life, we haven't even taken a descent look at an other planet inside our own solarsystem.

EDIT
give me an example of a valid effort in the search of life or take your own advise and wise up!

 

[jarofthoughts]

I told Autodidact that there are some things we humans will never find out. She asked me: "Like what?" It was then that I told her about the lack of any evidence of life on other planets although they all had the same start at the Big Bang.

There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to find that out some time in the future.

Am I wrong?

Yes.

You really think they haven't looked for it?

We haven't.

Do you?

The exact number is of course not within our grasp, but we have some decent estimates. There are about 100 billion stars in an average galaxy and there are about 100 billion known galaxies which makes the total estimated star count out to be 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or ten billion trillion stars.
Of course not all those stars have solar systems, but given the rate at which we discover them it is estimated that there are billions of them in just our own Milky Way.
That should give you some idea of the magnitude we're talking about here.

 

[outhouse]

Am I wrong? You really think they haven't looked for it? Wise up!

Yes you are wrong,,,,, your so wrong this is like going to a 1rst grade class and finding the student with the most time missing and the poorest attitude and then debating algebra with said student.

the difference is that poor 1rst grade student will learn something. you cannot.


we are not that intelligent our radio waves only go out 70 light years away from earth. the universe is so big we have not even got near another star.

your ignorant statement is exactly the same if I went to the ocean and pulled up a glass of water and looked for a whale in it and then deduced there are no whales. I dont think you have the ability to deduce practical reason.

intellegence is perspective, and your ignorance wont let you realize basic facts and for me this is why religion should be flat abolished to better humanity.

we share allot of DNA with a chimp say its a %3 difference//////////////////// yet we cannot comminucate with it at all and have a conversation. If a alien shared simular carbon based DNA to us but had %5 different DNA that made him more intellegent then us two questions arise. #1 would it even be able to communicate with us since we would be so primitive. AND #2 would it even want to.

wake up you owe your life as you know IT! right now to science. not some mythical jewish made god in my opinion.

you sir make a good arguement to make religion illegal for producing a mind that cannot be educated ,,,,,, in my opinion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RExQFZzHXQ

 

[Autodidact]

These drugs are now a scourge everywhere you find them. More people are harmed by them than are helped. I have been the victim of drug addicts 17 times in the last 24 years.
There is no way they, nor the people who sell them can be controlled.

In whose name did Stalin and PolPot kill? Millions of people lost their lives by men seeking to promote religion and by men seeking to obliterate it.
BOTH sides are wrong! I wonder if you can understand that!

I don't even know what that means so I can't ask you to prove it. Why are you calling me ignorant? At least you can tell what I mean.

You don't how I live. But I can tell you about shotgun houses with potbelly stoves in the middle, outhouses in the yard, kerosene lamps and candles for illumination, standpipes on the street corners for water in West Virginia and North Carolina.
Know anything about that? You do not know how I live, but you can shoot off your mouth.
POWER PLANTS:
You mean the same ones that pollute the environment and add to global warming?
Factories make medicines and other products and pump their wastes into the rivers and oceans, causing more sickness than they cure. You should visit Love Canal.
And you wouldn't be using that side of your mouth if your family were victims at Bhopal, Hiroshima, Chernobyl, Love Canal and Nagasaki.
You don't seem to realize that there is a down side to everything that men have invented, including their systems of government.
That is why God has allowed them to go their own way without interference until they come to realize that the are totally unable to direct themselves in the right way. THEN he will have to put them out of their misery and the misery they cause others.

AIDS is a totally preventable disease and many types of cancer are the result of tobacco and other chemical contaminants introduced into our food and environment.

The hypocrites are the ones who cause the problems and then proudly and loudly proclaim how much effort they exert fighting them.

Can you tell me, please - how many? I don't think you know.
I can tell you that not half as many as were killed in the 20th century ALONE, with the able assistance of science, by world wars and their accompanying "collateral damage."

As much as you dare to ask me questions you cannot answer yourself.
I asked a simple question;
WHAT WAS SCIENCE LOOKING FOR?
You want to try answering that?

LIFE EXPECTANCY:
You are repeating a myth.
Life expectancy was in the 70s and 80s a long, long time ago.

"In themselves the days of our years are seventy years; And if because of special mightiness (heredity) they are eighty years, Yet their insistence is on trouble and hurtful things; For it must quickly pass by, and away we fly." (Psalm 90:10)
This was written in 1070 B.C.E. more that 3,000 years ago.​

Unthankful?
I thank God for causing the sun to shine and for making the wheat grow because science cannot do that.​

Who fed you today, Micrurus?​

I get it. You hate science and all it brings, and would be more comfortable in 10th century Europe, without electricity, trains, internal combustion or the printing press. You may also find yourself more at home in Yemen or possibly Afghanistan.

My first suggestion to you is to THROW AWAY YOUR COMPUTER for God's sake, didn't you know it's a product of that Satan, science? Next, give up your health insurance; you're not going to need it. No modern medicine for you. You will need to buy a horse, *** or donkey as you prefer, and possibly a small cart of some kind. I also suggest a good supply of parchment and ink. Good luck.

 

[Autodidact]

You don't even know what is involved here. Let me fill you in.
I told Autodidact that there are some things we humans will never find out. She asked me: "Like what?" It was then that I told her about the lack of any evidence of life on other planets although they all had the same start at the Big Bang.
Am I wrong? You really think they haven't looked for it? Wise up!

I see, I wasn't following you. I wouldn't strike science out too soon. Most problems we have set our minds to we have solved, eventually, and I would put my money on this being one of them.

 

[DeistPrimate]

I told Autodidact that there are some things we humans will never find out. She asked me: "Like what?" It was then that I told her about the lack of any evidence of life on other planets although they all had the same start at the Big Bang.

I've never understood why so many creationists believe lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life supports any part of their position. If we find life in the universe to be very very rare this only supports a more atheist position there is no 'creator' seeding the universe with life. The existence of useless to life planets certainly doesn't support the existence of an intelligent grand designer.

I would think if we find the universe teeming with life, especially intelligent life, this would more suggest the existence of a Life Creator.

Sorry for continuing to allow Wilsoncole to run off topic, but he seems incapable of sticking to it.
Our Sun is a mediocre star among hundreds of billions in a mediocre galaxy among hundreds of billions, just by sheer natural process it HAD to happen somewhere.

 

[wilsoncole]

Why on earth not?

1. If you don't want to be banned, stop plagiarizing. IT IS AGAINST FORUM RULES.
2. Why are you talking about cosmology in a thread about evolution? Can you not even distinguish one branch of science from another?

I have to wonder if you can see.
I supplied the link.
I'll do it again:
W.-E. Loennig: Nobelpreistraeger und ID
I recommend you read this website carefully.
Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig is a scientist who compiled this list of Nobel Prize winners who believe that life was created specifically (creation).
Unfortunately, the information is in German and the translator does not do a good job of making it clear in English, but you can get the meaning.
Your claim of quote-mining is false.

You keep accusing me of plagiarism without proof.

Most of my information comes from books and magazines I own - not websites.
If my case were in a court of law I would pulverize you.
All the credits, except one, are there. I explained how that one got missed.
You claimed that I lied, but I showed you the proof that I used that flood information before on another forum. Did you even see it?
Here I'll do it again:
Using the Bible to prove the Bible (disciple, Buddha, churches) - Religion and Philosophy -Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, God, Universe, Science, Spirituality, Faith, Evidence - Page 22 - City-Data Forum

If you do not like my methods, why in the world do you even bother to respond to anything I say? This website is called religiousforums.com. So I talk religion.

I am sick of your threats! You cannot intimidate me. I will take no orders from you - you dig? You better go find another drum to beat.
I can always talk to others who are not as bossy as you.

I bet you're single.

 

[micrurus]

I have to wonder if you can see.
I supplied the link.
I'll do it again:
W.-E. Loennig: Nobelpreistraeger und ID
I recommend you read this website carefully.
Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig is a scientist who compiled this list of Nobel Prize winners who believe that life was created specifically (creation).
Unfortunately, the information is in German and the translator does not do a good job of making it clear in English, but you can get the meaning.
Your claim of quote-mining is false.

You keep accusing me of plagiarism without proof.

Most of my information comes from books and magazines I own - not websites.
If my case were in a court of law I would pulverize you.
All the credits, except one, are there. I explained how that one got missed.
You claimed that I lied, but I showed you the proof that I used that flood information before on another forum. Did you even see it?
Here I'll do it again:
Using the Bible to prove the Bible (disciple, Buddha, churches) - Religion and Philosophy -Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, God, Universe, Science, Spirituality, Faith, Evidence - Page 22 - City-Data Forum

If you do not like my methods, why in the world do you even bother to respond to anything I say? This website is called religiousforums.com. So I talk religion.

I am sick of your threats! You cannot intimidate me. I will take no orders from you - you dig? You better go find another drum to beat.
I can always talk to others who are not as bossy as you.

I bet you're single.

ignoring the plagiarism (im not gonna go into that)

we have disproven many of your arguements. why do you still bother using an arguement that has been proven to carry no value?

for example, ur german professors nobel prise winners quote.
for the third time thats an argument against abiogenesis, NOT evolution.

next, there is a compleat thread discussing why atheists can discuss religion.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...tes/108982-why-do-you-come-here-atheists.html
read it, and if you dont find a satisfying motive, i will be happy to give you atleast 50 more.

I bet you're single.

an argument based on presumptions and no evidence. thanks for demonstrating the religious method.

what is such a comment good for? you onley prove your own ignorance and intolorance.