What does the justice of God means?

[JohnJusticeSeak]

Hello. This my first post. Please accept my prior apology if you found any misbehavior in my post.

I think everyone at least once has thought what if they would be someone else. I do not want to make a list of examples, but I believe even when we are satisfied of ourselves, we think about it because all of our life could be dramatically different from what is it now.
These sort of things have developed an important question for me: how the meaning of justice can be defined? I think the justice means all preliminary conditions should be the same for all humans. However, it can be obviously seen it differs from person to person. I, myself, suppose if one claims the God is just, the meaning of justice should be interpreted in this way, as I defined it above.
Does justice differ from equality? Do you agree with me there is no justice in the ego of the world? If there is, it cannot be the same as I have defined it. Is your definition of justice is just?

Thanks.

 

[Sunstone]

I tend to agree with John Rawls that justice is essentially about fairness.

 

[JohnJusticeSeak]

I tend to agree with John Rawls that justice is essentially about fairness.

What is the measure of fairness? Is it fair that everyone could be Jesus but now they are not?

 

[Sunstone]

What is the measure of fairness?

Rawls offers two guiding principles for fairness:

"First Principle: Each person has the same indefeasible claim to a fully adequate scheme of equal basic liberties, which scheme is compatible with the same scheme of liberties for all;

Second Principle: Social and economic inequalities are to satisfy two conditions:

1. They are to be attached to offices and positions open to all under conditions of fair equality of opportunity;
2. They are to be to the greatest benefit of the least-advantaged members of society (the difference principle)."

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Is it fair that everyone could be Jesus but now they are not?

Not sure what you mean here. In what sense could everyone be Jesus?

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

What is the measure of fairness? Is it fair that everyone could be Jesus but now they are not?

Imagine the scales of justice .
A crime tips the balance , you must apply equal balance of logic , reason , compassion and action to rebalance scale.
Is a minimum requirement

 

[JohnJusticeSeak]

Rawls offers two guiding principles for fairness:

"First Principle: Each person has the same indefeasible claim to a fully adequate scheme of equal basic liberties, which scheme is compatible with the same scheme of liberties for all;

Second Principle: Social and economic inequalities are to satisfy two conditions:

1. They are to be attached to offices and positions open to all under conditions of fair equality of opportunity;
2. They are to be to the greatest benefit of the least-advantaged members of society (the difference principle)."

Not sure what you mean here. In what sense could everyone be Jesus?

Do you accept this definition of justice: “All preliminary conditions of all humans should be the same.” In the other words, if we want to compare humans due to specific rules (such as religious laws), we should first put all of them in the same situation.
Do you agree with me? If you don't, why?
If someone agrees with my definition, everyone could be Jesus because he was sacred in some senses. Jesus is just an example, we can talk about all other humans either.

 

[Sunstone]

Do you accept this definition of justice: “All preliminary conditions of all humans should be the same.”

Sounds too idealistic to me, so I don't agree with it.

 

[JohnJusticeSeak]

Imagine the scales of justice .
A crime tips the balance , you must apply equal balance of logic , reason , compassion and action to rebalance scale.
Is a minimum requirement

Yes. I agree with you but I was questioning about the meaning of justice in religious point of view. Thus, what is balance? How can you define balance and normal behaviors?

 

[JohnJusticeSeak]

Sounds too idealistic to me, so I don't agree with it.

It is said in some religions that the God is just. What does it mean? How he is just?

 

[Sunstone]

It is said in some religions that the God is just. What does it mean? How he is just?

I don't know. I don't subscribe to those religions.

 

[Sleeppy]

Justice is another human attempt at controlling cause and effect.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Yes. I agree with you but I was questioning about the meaning of justice in religious point of view. Thus, what is balance? How can you define balance and normal behaviors?

Well is religious belief that shapes adapted justice in christian world today .
So you have real world example of christian real life laws to compare ? For yourself ?

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Justice is another human attempt at controlling cause and effect.

Justice prerequisite of civilized society

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Well is religious belief that shapes adapted justice in christian world today .
So you have real world example of christian real life laws to compare ? For yourself ?

Jesus was better than normal in theory he sets the unattainable levels of justice , however when a crime happen we can not quite simply do nothing.

 

[eiskalt]

Each according to his capability... Actually havent thought much about this subject. But i believe that morality is a concept that shifts as time passes on.
Perhaps it would be easier if it were constant and unchanging, but it has changed and new generations grew acustomed to a new ethic.

Now being in charge is viewed as oppression, people make fun of their superiors, parents & disobey, while back in time it was never questioned and disrespect meant you were an immoral traitor/brat. Now youre a rebel and a hero for going against socities stadards too, while back in times it was thought of as insane & fought with force.
Even christianity, for example, was viewed as an anti-social denial of the roman way of life, people who joined were subverters of the cultural norms. It took 250 years under heavy persecution and martyrdom for them to have their say.

 

[Sleeppy]

Justice prerequisite of civilized society

Justice is an effect of civilized society, not a prerequisite. Justice is constructed after civil norms allocate themselves.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Justice is an effect of civilized society, not a prerequisite. Justice is constructed after civil norms allocate themselves.

Eh without justice how can a society consider itself civilized ?

 

[Sleeppy]

Eh without justice how can a society consider itself civilized ?

According to civil norms. Justice is formulated after the allocation of civil norms establish local governance.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

According to civil norms. Justice is formulated after the allocation of civil norms establish local governance.

Humanity uncivilised ? , is political blackmail , and war and all kinds
I care not for your definition , open your eyes
Oright you think humanity is civilized , well maybe in your street you are the minority

 

[Sleeppy]

Justice is apart of mans' attempts, which are rooted in ignorance, to circumvent God's determination. It's a form of idolatry.