What Drives The Trump Haters

[idav]

Aye, there's much going on....some good, some bad, all worth monitoring.
As for Donald's porn star friends, I couldn't give a rat's patootie.


Woohoo!
"Patootie" got past the RF propriety & innocence filters.

The porn star stuff doesn’t matter so much but I am rather curious on cohen and his clients creating shell companies to launder money, regardless of who it was they are trying to pay off.

 

[Revoltingest]

You were the one implying as much. I never judged the entire group beyond the fact that they (you) put the root of the problem in power.

You inferred.
If you judge people as individuals, this is good.

As I see it, you tried to put the worse problem in power.
But I don't judge you harshly for this. We simply have
different values, goals, & evaluation methods.

 

[Revoltingest]

The porn star stuff doesn’t matter so much but I am rather curious on cohen and his clients creating shell companies to launder money, regardless of who it was they are trying to pay off.

Meh....I'm much more interested in the Iran nuke deal, N Korea's potential
for peace, tax reform, etc. The minion soap opera is much less interesting.

 

[Underhill]

You inferred.
If you judge people as individuals, this is good.

As I see it, you tried to put the worse problem in power.
But I don't judge you harshly for this. We simply have
different values, goals, & evaluation methods.

Thus far my predictions for Trump have been 100% correct. If anything he has been worse than predicted.

I don't see where Hillary would have been much different than Obama or her husband. Both of them seem like saints by comparison to the current debacle.

 

[Underhill]

Meh....I'm much more interested in the Iran nuke deal, N Korea's potential
for peace, tax reform, etc. The minion soap opera is much less interesting.

If Trump throws out the Iranian deal, you can forget about a N. Korea deal. So we are back to square one on both fronts.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thus far my predictions for Trump have been 100% correct.

Really?
Have links to posts making specific predictions?

If anything he has been worse than predicted.

So much for 100%, eh.

I don't see where Hillary would have been much different than Obama or her husband. Both of them seem like saints by comparison to the current debacle.

Opinions will vary on that.
But I don't want to re-live pre-election evaluations.
(Few paid attention to mine, & fewer still remembered them accurately.)

 

[Revoltingest]

If Trump throws out the Iranian deal, you can forget about a N. Korea deal. So we are back to square one on both fronts.

I make no predictions.
His negotiating style is combative, & consequently chaotic.
But I do think his relationships with Israel & Iran are toxic.

 

[idav]

Meh....I'm much more interested in the Iran nuke deal, N Korea's potential
for peace, tax reform, etc. The minion soap opera is much less interesting.

I’m shocked you don’t like soap operas, shocked I tell you!

 

[Stevicus]

You say that, but it was the closest I've seen anyone come to overthrowing the status quo (in a positive way at least).

After Trump, I suspect a positive movement like that will have even more impact.

If Sanders had gotten the nomination, then it would have offered voters a clearer choice. Let's hope that the Democrats have learned their lesson. If they nominate Oprah Winfrey in 2020, then I'll assume that they're deliberately throwing the election.

 

[Stevicus]

Speaking mainly for myself, but not only me, I didn't reject Sander's ideas. Some I thought over the top, but I really wanted his vision of the USA.
But I watched Obama get steamrolled by the people who really run this country. People like Trump lied about him with impunity, and blamed him for the outcome of the policies put in place by the Republicans.

Yeah, but it obviously didn't prevent him from becoming president, and it was largely irrelevant for the 2016 election since Obama was a lame duck.

Candidates lying about other candidates is par for the course in U.S. politics.

I wanted a vicious politico who had what it takes to implement some of those policies, even if not perfectly. Clinton fit that bill. (pun intended)

I thought Sanders could have handled himself just as well. Not sure what you mean by "vicious politico," but I tend to agree - which is why I would generally support someone more radical. Pro-Wall Street types like Clinton are exactly what the Democrats don't need in the next election.

And obviously the American People agreed with me, check the election results for yourself if you want.
That's what "drives the Trump haters". The majority of the US electorate voted against his policies, so when he even tries to implement them he is taking on The People. And, yeah, some of us are pretty hateful about it.
Tom

Well, yeah, but that's the breaks of the game in U.S. politics. It's happened before where someone won the election while getting fewer popular votes. Neither one of them got an absolute majority, so I don't accept that either of them had a mandate of "The People."

 

[ecco]

Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?

• A lot of fundies did vote for trump.
• A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the coal mines, he hasn't.
• A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the steel mills, he hasn't.
• A lot of fundies believed he would get rid of NAFTA, he hasn't.
• A lot of fundies believed believed he would put China in it's place. Well, he threatened to do so. In response, China would tax a whole bunch of stuff. Trump supporting soybean farmers are dirtying their undies.

Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?

Your assertion is that "fundies" believe that Trump can force an end or override these things on his own. Don't worry though, he'll be a lot closer at doing so after November.

So, you cannot rebut any of my assertions.

 

[idav]

Yeah, but it obviously didn't prevent him from becoming president, and it was largely irrelevant for the 2016 election since Obama was a lame duck.

Candidates lying about other candidates is par for the course in U.S. politics.



I thought Sanders could have handled himself just as well. Not sure what you mean by "vicious politico," but I tend to agree - which is why I would generally support someone more radical. Pro-Wall Street types like Clinton are exactly what the Democrats don't need in the next election.



Well, yeah, but that's the breaks of the game in U.S. politics. It's happened before where someone won the election while getting fewer popular votes. Neither one of them got an absolute majority, so I don't accept that either of them had a mandate of "The People."

Trump takes the cake for people who broke the electoral vote vs popular vote, he had the biggest loss. 3 million is nothing to scoff at. To be fair though John Quincy Adams had the biggest percentage of negative votes while still winning.
List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia

 

[Stevicus]

Trump takes the cake for people who broke the electoral vote vs popular vote, he had the biggest loss. 3 million is nothing to scoff at. To be fair though John Quincy Adams had the biggest percentage of negative votes while still winning.
List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia

It also shows that the 1876 election had a wider margin, percentage-wise.

As for John Quincy Adams, I remember reading a story about how he used to get up early in the morning, walk to the Potomac from the White House, and go skinny dipping. The president could do things like that back in those days.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump takes the cake for people who broke the electoral vote vs popular vote, he had the biggest loss. 3 million is nothing to scoff at. To be fair though John Quincy Adams had the biggest percentage of negative votes while still winning.
List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia

Then give John the cake!

 

[idav]

Then give John the cake!

Trump took it with his biggly win, besides Quincy cheated.

 

[Underhill]

Really?
Have links to posts making specific predictions?

I'm not going to dig them out. But he's made us a laughing stock. He's been quick to send in the air strikes. He spends like there is no tomorrow while lowering taxes...

It wasn't difficult.

So much for 100%, eh.

He has done what I predicted and worse. That doesn't make my predictions wrong.

Opinions will vary on that.
But I don't want to re-live pre-election evaluations.
(Few paid attention to mine, & fewer still remembered them accurately.)

I remember some of them. But those I remember revolved around Hillary being worse because she was a hawk and the hope that Trump would be better. Clearly you nailed it.

 

[Underhill]

I make no predictions.
His negotiating style is combative, & consequently chaotic.
But I do think his relationships with Israel & Iran are toxic.

How quick is NK going to be to jump in bed with Trump if he just tanked the Iran deal?

 

[Underhill]

If Sanders had gotten the nomination, then it would have offered voters a clearer choice. Let's hope that the Democrats have learned their lesson. If they nominate Oprah Winfrey in 2020, then I'll assume that they're deliberately throwing the election.

I think Oprah would win but yes, I agree that there are better options out there.

 

[Revoltingest]

I remember some of them. But those I remember revolved around Hillary being worse because she was a hawk and the hope that Trump would be better. Clearly you nailed it.

Two things are known....
1) Trump hasn't started any new wars.
2) Hillary's presidential record is only stellar because it's imagined.

 

[Revoltingest]

How quick is NK going to be to jump in bed with Trump if he just tanked the Iran deal?

I make no predictions about NK's behavior.