What Drives The Trump Haters

[columbus]

And Obama, as we found out, was so socialist and equality driven that he even wanted Iran to have nukes too.

Can you give us any (evidence based) reasons to believe this? Obama and his State department managed to get an agreement that, at least, slowed down the Iranian self defense program.
Why do you think he wants them to have nukes?
Tom

 

[Shadow Link]

Why? You obviously haven't if you think the Iran nuclear deal was about "giving Iran nukes".

Just pointing out that trump is doing more to enable Iran to get nukes than Obama ever did.


Geez, did I really have to clarify that?

Time will tell, however, allowing a country as unstable as Iran to have these capabilities is not exactly a great move...

"Obama “got what he wanted: a smaller, slower, more easily constrained and monitored nuclear program, no pre-emptive Israeli strikes and no need for an American one,” said Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East negotiator for Republican and Democratic administrations.

“But Iran got more,” he added, citing billions of dollars in sanctions relief “to support bad actors without giving up a large nuclear infrastructure that could allow them to weaponize should they choose to do so.”"

 

[Shadow Link]

Care to try to actually rebut any of my assertions?

Your assertion is that "fundies" believe that Trump can force an end or override these things on his own. Don't worry though, he'll be a lot closer at doing so after November.

 

[Shadow Link]

Why do you think he wants them to have nukes?
Tom

*Sarcasm*

 

[idav]

We were well aware of what we were getting with Trump -- someone that would disrupt the status-quo in Washington.

Reversing the policies to before the major financial crisis that happened 10 years ago isn’t fighting the status quo. In fact quite the opposite but it’s great if your rich, especially for the banks.

 

[Yerda]

Notice that I did use an adjective there. So I'm disagreeing with the way you rationalized with what was said.

Do you agree that Trump is a conman?

We were well aware of what we were getting with Trump -- someone that would disrupt the status-quo in Washington.

Really?

I have heard this a lot but never heard anyone give a serious outline of how they expected a disruption campaign in the heart of government and led by a maximally self-interested confidence trickster to work in the benefit of the average voter. I'm interested to hear how that's supposed to go.

And Obama, as we found out, was so socialist and equality driven that he even wanted Iran to have nukes too.

I'm interested in hearing how socialism, equality and nukes for Iran overlap but perhaps in another thread.

 

[Shadow Link]

Reversing the policies to before the major financial crisis that happened 10 years ago isn’t fighting the status quo. In fact quite the opposite but it’s great if your rich, especially for the banks.

Speculation is not really Truth thought is it?

 

[Shadow Link]

Do you agree that Trump is a conman?

Really?

I have heard this a lot but never heard anyone give a serious outline of how they expected a disruption campaign in the heart of government and led by a maximally self-interested confidence trickster to work in the benefit of the average voter. I'm interested to hear how that's supposed to go.

I'm interested in hearing how socialism, equality and nukes for Iran overlap but perhaps in another thread.

1. Not in the strictest sense of the word, no.

2. How it's going is that you are underestimating Trump.

3. Not everyone can pick up on sarcasm, but that's ok.

 

[Yerda]

1. Not in the strictest sense of the word, no.

2. How it's going is that you are underestimating Trump.

3. Not everyone can pick up on sarcasm, but that's ok.

Ah. I missed the sarcasm because, well, it sounded like something a Trump supporter would say. You did go down the classic route of "...but Obama did it first/worse" so maybe you can forgive my slowness.

I have friends who believe Trump is literally going to save Western civilisation so I've heard the underestimation claim before. I try to entertain the idea but I lack the imagination to see how the guy who set himself up for a presidential run by publicy promoting the racist fantasies of Western civilisation's bitterest voting bloc is going to save us.

 

[idav]

Speculation is not really Truth thought is it?

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3. Not everyone can pick up on sarcasm, but that's ok.

Poes law.

 

[Shadow Link]

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Poes law.

⸮

 

[Shadow Link]

I try to entertain the idea but I lack the imagination to see how the guy who set himself up for a presidential run by publicy promoting the racist fantasies of Western civilisation's bitterest voting bloc is going to save us.

Perhaps you could elaborate a little more here.

 

[james dixon]

The Trump I see today is NOT the man he “said” he was during the election

------Our greatest achievement will be impeaching trump-------

----Donald Trump's greatest achievements----

Trump revokes background checks to buy guns

NEWS FEB 28 2017, 8:39 PM ET
Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Monday rejected an Obama-era plan to make automobiles more fuel efficient, opening up a long process to weaken current standards and putting California and the federal government on a collision course over vehicle emissions.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/02/world/asia/02reuters-usa-epa-autos.html

Trump sons' hunting in focus as US lifts import ban on African elephant trophies

The Trump administration’s decision to loosen restrictions around the import of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia has turned attention back to the president’s family’s own connection to the controversial sport.

Donald Trump Jr and Eric Trump are prolific big-game hunters and during the 2016 campaign, images re-emerged of the pair on a 2011 hunting trip posing with animals they had killed on safari, including an elephant, a buffalo and a leopard.
xoxo, Jane on Twitter

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump again called for an end to the filibuster and said there will be no deal with Democrats on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, also known as DACA.

"Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous liberal (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release. Getting more dangerous. 'Caravans' coming. Republicans must go to Nuclear Option to pass tough laws NOW. NO MORE DACA DEAL," Trump tweeted Sunday morning.
Trump tweets: 'NO MORE DACA DEAL' - CNNPolitics

Trump’s lies
With just 10 days before he finishes his first year as president, Trump has made 2,001 false or misleading claims in 355 days, according to our database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the president. That’s an average of more than 5.6 claims a day.
Analysis | President Trump has made more than 2,000 false or misleading claims over 355 days


Will you vote for trump again-?
just asking

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Trump I see today is NOT the man he “said” he was during the election

------Our greatest achievement will be impeaching trump-------

----Donald Trump's greatest achievements----

Trump revokes background checks to buy guns

NEWS FEB 28 2017, 8:39 PM ET
Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Monday rejected an Obama-era plan to make automobiles more fuel efficient, opening up a long process to weaken current standards and putting California and the federal government on a collision course over vehicle emissions.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/02/world/asia/02reuters-usa-epa-autos.html

Trump sons' hunting in focus as US lifts import ban on African elephant trophies

The Trump administration’s decision to loosen restrictions around the import of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia has turned attention back to the president’s family’s own connection to the controversial sport.

Donald Trump Jr and Eric Trump are prolific big-game hunters and during the 2016 campaign, images re-emerged of the pair on a 2011 hunting trip posing with animals they had killed on safari, including an elephant, a buffalo and a leopard.
xoxo, Jane on Twitter

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump again called for an end to the filibuster and said there will be no deal with Democrats on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, also known as DACA.

"Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous liberal (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release. Getting more dangerous. 'Caravans' coming. Republicans must go to Nuclear Option to pass tough laws NOW. NO MORE DACA DEAL," Trump tweeted Sunday morning.
Trump tweets: 'NO MORE DACA DEAL' - CNNPolitics

Trump’s lies
With just 10 days before he finishes his first year as president, Trump has made 2,001 false or misleading claims in 355 days, according to our database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the president. That’s an average of more than 5.6 claims a day.
Analysis | President Trump has made more than 2,000 false or misleading claims over 355 days


Will you vote for trump again-?
just asking

I am not totally against the enabling of big game trophies. There is a very legitimate argument that that promotes big game preservation.

 

[james dixon]

I am not totally against the enabling of big game trophies. There is a very legitimate argument that that promotes big game preservation.

You are making an oxymoron statement. You are saying that trump's son is killing animals in order to force their future safety by creating future game preserves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are making an oxymoron statement. You are saying that trump's son is killing animals in order to force their future safety by creating future game preserves.

Not an oxymoron at all. Many realize to make it worthwhile for the people of Africa to preserve certain species there must be an economic reason to do so. We come from a wealthy country where we can afford to block off areas from development. Most African countries cannot afford to do that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And even in the U.S. we have our own example of that. Many duck species were brought back largely due to the work of duck hunters. One cannot hunt that which does not exist.

 

[Yerda]

Perhaps you could elaborate a little more here.

Obama's birth certificate...

 

[Shad]

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

The ACLU was against this as well. Having the ACLU against it you know it was a horrible idea give the ACLU's political slant.

 

[Underhill]

The real con man was Obama. We could get into all the policies you'd like, but we would just conclude that those policies would just add up to one big achievement of failure in an attempt to monopolize and push democratic socialism down our throats, and as far as that goes, the rest of the world too. Trump! Trump! Trump!

Aww...yeah...the good ole "having sense" debacle vs. "true intent" debate. Trump! Trump! Trump!

And what I find funny is knowing that the libs had control of every institutionalized avenue of power, hating the constitution and its understanding of liberty, and yet they still lost. Trump! Trump! Trump!

Wow. just. wow.