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What Drives The Trump Haters

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
I think Trump is more of a symptom of a deeper issue affecting America. Those who would focus all their anger and hatred on Trump personally are probably wasting their energy.
I agree that America’s political problems are greater than Trump. He is certainly was symptom and not the root cause.

However,

as president, he fuels the toxicity and champions all the things that are wrong with politics, from his twitter diplomacy, to his juvenile name calling, to his personal character failings, to his ignorance and dumbing down of complex issues, from his lying, to his nepotism, to his chaotic administration. And he’s created a cult following who is willing to ignore all that, to embrace and to perpetuate that toxicity. He has made the most toxic aspects of politics into something that his followers defend and admire. He may have started out a symptom. But he has remarkably quickly become the disease.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I agree that America’s political problems are greater than Trump. He is certainly was symptom and not the root cause.

However,

as president, he fuels the toxicity and champions all the things that are wrong with politics, from his twitter diplomacy, to his juvenile name calling, to his personal character failings, to his ignorance and dumbing down of complex issues, from his lying, to his nepotism, to his chaotic administration. And he’s created a cult following who is willing to ignore all that, to embrace and to perpetuate that toxicity. He has made the most toxic aspects of politics into something that his followers defend and admire. He may have started out a symptom. But he has remarkably quickly become the disease.

He's essentially the underbelly of American culture personified.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
He's essentially the underbelly of American culture personified.
I really was hoping that the silver lining of electing Trump would be that conservatives would get everything they were claiming to want in a president... and then realize how Incompetent, corrupt, contemptible, and dysfunctional it was.

Instead, they either ignore it or embrace it. This won’t be the teachable moment I hoped it would be. The worst aspects of politics in this country are getting distilled into a purer, more potent form, impervious to reality, reason, or points of view different from their own.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I agree that America’s political problems are greater than Trump. He is certainly was symptom and not the root cause.

However,

as president, he fuels the toxicity and champions all the things that are wrong with politics, from his twitter diplomacy, to his juvenile name calling, to his personal character failings, to his ignorance and dumbing down of complex issues, from his lying, to his nepotism, to his chaotic administration. And he’s created a cult following who is willing to ignore all that, to embrace and to perpetuate that toxicity. He has made the most toxic aspects of politics into something that his followers defend and admire. He may have started out a symptom. But he has remarkably quickly become the disease.

Yeah, as I said, I get why there's a lot of people upset with Trump. I think this is going to end up being a primary issue in the upcoming midterm elections.

As for the "cult following," there are a number of factors in play.

For one, there has always been certain segment of the population which is mistrustful of the mainstream media, often dismissed as being "too liberal." I don't agree with this myself, but I know that the perception is out there and why people believe it.

Similarly, many people are mistrustful of government, particularly the power, size, and scope of the Federal government as it currently operates. This view has actually been at the very backbone of US political culture from its very beginnings.

Added to this is a feeling uneasiness and the belief that we are a nation in decline. You can hear it practically everywhere you go - statements like "the country is going down the tubes" or "to hell in a handbasket." I've been hearing this kind of talk all my life, and not just from Republicans or right-wingers. The left also has made similar observations.

It's not just empty "gloom and doom" rhetoric either; we do have some serious problems facing this country on several fronts. People see this; they're not blind. They see the boarded up buildings in areas which once abounded with activity and commerce. They see all the abandoned industries and other remnants of an economy that once worked. They can see the condition of their roads and other public works. They see their tax money being collected but nothing to show for it. The people think they're being scammed, and in a lot of cases, they probably are.

Not just that, but there are warnings of climate change and other environmental problems on the horizon. There are worries about geopolitics, terrorism, and a heating up of international tensions.

There's been a growing feeling that the country has been moving in the wrong direction and that it's been horribly mismanaged for a long time. There's been a longstanding perception of corruption, cronyism, "iron triangles," incompetence, waste, and abuses of power - and these are mostly considered reasonable perceptions compared to some of the wilder conspiracy theories - which can find many believers among people who already mistrust the government.

So, the people who comprise the "cult following" you mentioned see Trump as their white knight in shining armor who is going to "drain the swamp." They see him as going in to clean up government, so the perception would hold that the government (or "deep state") is going to come back at him and fight back with a vengeance. They might argue that there is a vendetta against Trump from a government that doesn't want to be cleaned up.

You might dismiss it as a bunch of hooey, and it probably is, but what I see is an ever-growing vicious circle in which the more they attack Trump, the more dug in and entrenched his followers become. If it seems like there's some kind vendetta against Trump, they might try to make him out to be some kind of martyr.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I fear Trump will be impeached before he can be decisively defeated in an open election. If he is impeached, there will be masses of people who -- despite any evidence to the contrary -- will consider him unfairly impeached. If he is decisively defeated, there will still be many Trump supporters who consider the election rigged, but, depending on just how decisively he is defeated, there will be many other Trump supporters who are demoralized by it. And the majority of people, the ones who turned out to defeat him, will feel empowered.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I fear Trump will be impeached before he can be decisively defeated in an open election. If he is impeached, there will be masses of people who -- despite any evidence to the contrary -- will consider him unfairly impeached. If he is decisively defeated, there will still be many Trump supporters who consider the election rigged, but, depending on just how decisively he is defeated, there will be many other Trump supporters who are demoralized by it. And the majority of people, the ones who turned out to defeat him, will feel empowered.

Trump has been right about one thing, and that is the blind, uncritical loyalty of his supporters. He did say during his campaign that he “could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters".
The fact that ethics, character, and integrity don't matter to such a large portion of the American public is a very bleak, dark stain on the fabric of this nation.
 
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Shadow Link

Active Member
Trump isn't a conman because Obama is?

That's just silly.
Notice that I did use an adjective there. So I'm disagreeing with the way you rationalized with what was said.


We were well aware of what we were getting with Trump -- someone that would disrupt the status-quo in Washington. And Obama, as we found out, was so socialist and equality driven that he even wanted Iran to have nukes too.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Notice that I did use an adjective there. So I'm disagreeing with the way you rationalized with what was said.


We were well aware of what we were getting with Trump -- someone that would disrupt the status-quo in Washington. And Obama, as we found out, was so socialist and equality driven that he even wanted Iran to have nukes too.
So, how is Moscow this time of year?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
That sounds just like the fundies saying scientists hate god and His glorious Creation. A lot of fundies voted for Trump. With their simplistified view of things, they believed He would reopen the coal mines and the steel mills and get rid of that evil NAFTA and put the Chynees in their place and...and...

It is an embarrassment to America that Trump is president, because of what he is and, more important, because of how many people voted for him.
Yeah, I get it...it's not that you're ignorant, it's just that you know so much that isn't so.
Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?

  • A lot of fundies did vote for trump.
  • A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the coal mines, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the steel mills, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed he would get rid of NAFTA, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed believed he would put China in it's place. Well, he threatened to do so. In response, China would tax a whole bunch of stuff. Trump supporting soybean farmers are dirtying their undies.

Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Moscow is probably doing well right now considering that they're probably getting their money back from the Clinton Foundation that was being lapped up at one time — to keep them quiet.
Uh-huh. Any other ridiculous accusations and conspiracy theories you'd care to throw out while we're all here? No one's mentioned George Soros or the Illuminati for literally minutes...
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The fact that ethics, character, and integrity don't matter to such a large portion of the American public is a very bleak, dark stain on the fabric of this nation.
The fact that ethics, character, and integrity don't matter to such a large portion of the ultra conservative Christian public is a very bleak, dark stain on the fabric of this nation, but really not surprising.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
And Obama, as we found out, was so socialist and equality driven that he even wanted Iran to have nukes too.

Uh huh.

Iran ready to resume nuclear program if US leaves deal
TEHRAN, Apr. 21 (MNA) – In an interview with American CBS TV Network, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif says the country is ready to restart its nuclear program if the Trump administration reinstates sanctions.
  1. Trump Reinstates Sanctions
  2. Iran Responds by Restarting Nuclear Program
  3. Trump Responds by tweeting "There Is No Collusion".
attaboy
 

Shadow Link

Active Member
Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?

  • A lot of fundies did vote for trump.
  • A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the coal mines, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the steel mills, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed he would get rid of NAFTA, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed believed he would put China in it's place. Well, he threatened to do so. In response, China would tax a whole bunch of stuff. Trump supporting soybean farmers are dirtying their undies.

Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?
I think your concerns are fundamentally off.
Uh huh.

Iran ready to resume nuclear program if US leaves deal
TEHRAN, Apr. 21 (MNA) – In an interview with American CBS TV Network, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif says the country is ready to restart its nuclear program if the Trump administration reinstates sanctions.
  1. Trump Reinstates Sanctions
  2. Iran Responds by Restarting Nuclear Program
  3. Trump Responds by tweeting "There Is No Collusion".
attaboy
So what's your point?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Yeah, I get it...it's not that you're ignorant, it's just that you know so much that isn't so.

Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?

  • A lot of fundies did vote for trump.
  • A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the coal mines, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed he could reopen the steel mills, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed he would get rid of NAFTA, he hasn't.
  • A lot of fundies believed believed he would put China in it's place. Well, he threatened to do so. In response, China would tax a whole bunch of stuff. Trump supporting soybean farmers are dirtying their undies.

Care to try to rebut any of my assertions?
I think your concerns are fundamentally off.


Care to try to actually rebut any of my assertions?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
And Obama, as we found out, was so socialist and equality driven that he even wanted Iran to have nukes too.

Uh huh.

Iran ready to resume nuclear program if US leaves deal
TEHRAN, Apr. 21 (MNA) – In an interview with American CBS TV Network, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif says the country is ready to restart its nuclear program if the Trump administration reinstates sanctions.
  1. Trump Reinstates Sanctions
  2. Iran Responds by Restarting Nuclear Program
  3. Trump Responds by tweeting "There Is No Collusion".
attaboy
So what's your point?

Just pointing out that trump is doing more to enable Iran to get nukes than Obama ever did.


Geez, did I really have to clarify that?
 
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