What Drives The Trump Haters

[idav]

What policies?

Just about all policies Trump wants.

Thanks, now I know you don't really get it.

The articles conflation of 'human oneness' and 'political correctness' isn't my problem. As if wanting the same rights for all peoples is somehow an affront to the pursuit of happiness misses the boat. I don't think it has anything to do with the need for political correctness, after all political correctness would hinder the ability to actually speak against our government or its administration.

 

[ecco]

I found this thread under North American Politics, so I'll comment.

Shadow Link,

Are you too lazy to excerpt relevant parts from your linked article?

Are you too insecure to express your own comments regarding anything in the linked article?

Six-year-olds can copy and paste links and say "SEE!"​

I think your dodging truthful implications.


Personal suggestive attacks won't help you none.

I didn't make that post to help me or to help you.

 

[Shadow Link]

Just about all policies Trump wants.

The articles conflation of 'human oneness' and 'political correctness' isn't my problem. As if wanting the same rights for all peoples is somehow an affront to the pursuit of happiness misses the boat. I don't think it has anything to do with the need for political correctness, after all political correctness would hinder the ability to actually speak against our government or its administration.

I didn't make that post to help me or to help you.

 

[idav]

As a self-identified conservative even I was not particularly impressed with the article. The deep hatred for Trump and the right goes way beyond mere "political correctness". In theory, when Saint Hillary uttered her infamous thoughts on the "deplorables", it is now obvious that she wasn't meaning Trump supporters, but rather the 42% of eligible voters who sat the election out, as well as women who did not vote for her. (I'm kidding, btw.)

The reality is, however, it wasn't the people who voted for Trump or disaffected Bernie supporters. It was even the people who voted for Gary what's his name or Jill Stien. What cost our beloved Saint Hillary the election was her failure to get out the vote in what should have been a slam dunk election.

I think much of the hatred towards Trump is based on this unconscious realization that not enough people were convinced that Hillary was the best choice to make the difference. For example, she is a not a great speaker and I think her scripted and robotic performances on the election trail simply did not translate into real votes.

Yes, she got more votes than Trump, but that is hardly something to brag about considering how highly she was billed as being the most qualified person ever to run while having turned in mediocre performances in virtually any public role she committed herself to. So while she had a number of public, high profile positions, she just wasn't very memorable in any of them. Yet, this queen of mediocrity, who was definitely running on the Clinton brand name, was the best choice.

On top of this reality, we have Trump, who is a polarizing personality, at best, and if you listen to his army of detractors they get quite a bit more hysterical in their adjective use. Rather than simply bombastic, mercurial, Trump is seen as the horrid candidate that has shocked them to their senses. The initial response to Trump's election was not, "What did we do wrong? What was wrong with our message that it failed to resonate with the majority of ELIGIBLE voters?" No, their response, almost in lockstep, was that the message was fine and all that was needed was to ratchet up volume several decibels. Like the endless impeachment drivel, this is not a winner strategy. Especially with the DNC practically broke.

Another fine point is how the right was often charged with trying to buy the election with billionaire donors, like the dreaded deplorable kings, the Koch brothers, flooding the minds of voters with fake whateverisms and then when the dust settled it was not Trump that spent the most money. Low and behold, it was the Democrats that spent FAR more money than Trump. So who was really trying to buy the election with their mediocre candidate?

I think the hatred for Trump is based in the unconscious recognition that the Anti-Trump narrative was simply not compelling enough to the real majority of eligible voters. Of course, Trump, being the personality he is, certainly loves poking his detractors in the eyes with a rather big stick... and Twitter... *sigh*

It's really about policies. You have one side that hated everything Obama did for eight years and loves seeing repeal after repeal while the other side thinks the repeals are a travesty. I dont particularly hate repeals but I think its pretty retarded (sorry can I use that word ) when it isn't followed with a decent replacement. I see trumps actions like, not really liking the policies, which is fine but then acting like doing nothing is better.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It's really about policies. You have one side that hated everything Obama did for eight years and loves seeing repeal after repeal while the other side thinks the repeals are a travesty. I dont particularly hate repeals but I think its pretty retarded (sorry can I use that word ) when it isn't followed with a decent replacement. I see trumps actions like, not really liking the policies, which is fine but then acting like doing nothing is better.

I agree. I never liked Obama, and thought many of his policies were poor compromises. But repealing a poor policy without replacing it with a better one is worse than leaving it in place, IMHO.

Then there's all the baiting and divisive talk, Trump's own bad, poorly thought through policies. The chaos within the administration and Trump's seeming encouragement of it. And, being completely honest, while I think his personal life is his own business, the hypocrisy of his enablers for turning a blind eye to Trumps many personal failings, when they were ready to crucify Obama over the most inane and insignificant stuff, REALLY makes me mad.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That article is just far-right fringe crank trash, with shades of Fascism. It's promoting right-wing authoritarian, nationalist, populism and a sort of cult of personality. Ending it by invoking God is even more revolting.

Anyway, I hate Trump and his movement because he is opposed to everything a liberal secular democracy stands for. He is authoritarian, admires dictators, thinks neo-Nazis are "good people", promotes violence, thinks his followers committing hate crimes is just them being "passionate", corrupt, a bigot, a scumbag who treats women like garbage and makes disgusting statements about his daughters, thinks women should be "punished" for having an abortion, a narcissist, hates a free press and just generally stirs up all the worst aspects of America's sordid history. He is dividing us and generally making a laughingstock out of America.

I also tend not to like people who want to restrict my rights and opportunities out of prejudice (a pathetic draft dodger who has insulted vets and military families telling people like me we can't serve because of our gender identity) and who generally wants to make my life harder.

 

[Revoltingest]

A real problem with Trump haters.....
People who never served in the military dis him for being a "draft dodger".

Aside from the utter hypocrisy & blatant sexism of that barb,
there's nothing noble about submitting to the draft. Go dodgers!

 

[YmirGF]

It's really about policies. You have one side that hated everything Obama did for eight years and loves seeing repeal after repeal while the other side thinks the repeals are a travesty. I dont particularly hate repeals but I think its pretty retarded (sorry can I use that word ) when it isn't followed with a decent replacement. I see trumps actions like, not really liking the policies, which is fine but then acting like doing nothing is better.

If I am not wrong, Idav, any words are permissible when discussing the Trumpenator.

 

[Revoltingest]

If I am not wrong, Idav, any words are permissible when discussing the Trumpenator.

Correcto!
Tis different from criticizing Obama, in which case it's inherently racist.
But with Trump, we can mock his hair, skin color, & verbal ticks.

 

[YmirGF]

Correcto!
Tis different from criticizing Obama, in which case it's inherently racist.
But with Trump, we can mock his hair, skin color, & verbal ticks.

Correctomundo, RevoltingOne. It is not possible to be racist (or even go overboard) against a rich, white, p***y-grabbing, Alpha male as he embodies the White Supremacist Patriarchy.

 

[shunyadragon]

You have much more yet to learn.

I will qualify this as an inability to respond otherwise.

We all have very much more yet to learn.

 

[YmirGF]

We all have very much more yet to learn.

Hopefully, that never ceases.
*crosses fingers*

 

[idav]

Correcto!
Tis different from criticizing Obama, in which case it's inherently racist.
But with Trump, we can mock his hair, skin color, & verbal ticks.

Correctomundo, RevoltingOne. It is not possible to be racist (or even go overboard) against a rich, white, p***y-grabbing, Alpha male as he embodies the White Supremacist Patriarchy.

You all are too funny!

If I am not wrong, Idav, any words are permissible when discussing the Trumpenator.

My oldest tells me they are taught they can't or shouldn't say retard because its offensive. I never know if i might be offending someone , or probably impossible not to offend at least someone for just about anything we say.

 

[Revoltingest]

My oldest tells me they are taught they can't or shouldn't say retard because its offensive. I never know if i might be offending someone , or probably impossible not to offend at least someone for just about anything we say.

Well, it is considered bigoted to call someone "retarded" when they aren't, as an insult.
Imagine how the actual retarded & their family feel.

 

[idav]

Well, it is considered bigoted to call someone "retarded" when they aren't, as an insult.
Imagine how the actual retarded & their family feel.

Yup thats what I hear about all the PC stuff, I'm one of the biggest offenders.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yup thats what I hear about all the PC stuff, I'm one of the biggest offenders.

If you use this group's name as an insult, do you also
use disparaging names for blacks, women, Jews, etc?

 

[idav]

If you use this group's name as an insult, do you also
use disparaging names for blacks, women, Jews, etc?

No but to be fair I usually only call myself retarded, like "I'm so retarded". Its a pretty common saying actually.

 

[Revoltingest]

No but to be fair I usually only call myself retarded, like "I'm so retarded". Its a pretty common saying actually.

Being common makes it OK, eh.
I won't give you much grief over it, but I recommend re-considering it.

 

[idav]

Being common makes it OK, eh.
I won't give you much grief over it, but I recommend re-considering it.

Oh I know, like I mentioned my high school kid says theyve been talking about PC in their class. I dont mean to offend folks but I wonder where should people draw the line. PC can definately get out of hand.

 

[shunyadragon]

Well, it is considered bigoted to call someone "retarded" when they aren't, as an insult.
Imagine how the actual retarded & their family feel.

I consider it a negative name calling regardless of whether on has mental problems.