What ever happened to ISIS?

[Spiderman]

You should cross check your references one by one, not just do blind copy pastes.

No matter how wrong one believes a person to be, one should be accurate in one’s accusations

Ive read the Qu'ran front to back twice, two different translations. There is much hate and bigotry in the text.

I gave up on the Bible by doing the same thing, reading it from Genesis to Revelation. I realized it is hypocrisy to condemn bigotry and hate, while at the same time defending a book that promotes it.

I admire Jesus because he didn't raise up an army that conquered people (like Muhammad). He preached "love your enemies, turn the other cheek" and forgave those who crucified him.

So, I can love Jesus, because most of what he taught doesn't go against my conscience.

But anything in the Bible that is hateful, violent, bigoted, and cruel (like the Qu'ran) I reject, otherwise i'm a hypocrite.

 

[danieldemol]

Ive read the Qu'ran front to back twice, two different translations. There is much hate and bigotry in the text.

I gave up on the Bible by doing the same thing, reading it from Genesis to Revelation. I realized it is hypocrisy to condemn bigotry and hate, while at the same time defending a book that promotes it.

I admire Jesus because he didn't raise up an army that conquered people (like Muhammad). He preached "love your enemies, turn the other cheek" and forgave those who crucified him.

So, I can love Jesus, because most of what he taught doesn't go against my conscience.

But anything in the Bible that is hateful, violent, bigoted, and cruel (like the Qu'ran) I reject, otherwise i'm a hypocrite.

Your viewpoint is understood, however some of the texts you quoted above do not seem to have come from the Quran.

My point is deny the Quran on the basis of what is in it if you wish, but not on the basis of what is not in it.

Strive for accuracy

 

[Father Heathen]

Mass Shootings is the biggest fad now.

Yeah, damned murdered children hogging the limelight. Screw 'em, am I right? It's drawing attention away from where it needs to be; on grown men chasing balls around! *air horn*

 

[Spiderman]

Your viewpoint is understood, however some of the texts you quoted above do not seem to have come from the Quran.

My point is deny the Quran on the basis of what is in it if you wish, but not on the basis of what is not in it.

Strive for accuracy

Im on a phone, have googled some and those are accurate.

The ones that bother me most I know come from the Koran.

I will thoroughly check each one when i get to a computer tommorow, but my point remains.

I googled it. The call to slay Idolators, not be friends with Jews, commit violence against nonmuslims, people like me getting tortured, humiliated, their hands and feet chopped off (so they can't walk, feed themselves, or wipe their own butt), is all in the Qu'ran!

Hence, to despise such barbaric cruelty, hate, torture, violence, and bigotry is noble Imo!

 

[Earthling]

Am I the only one who notices that they haven't really been talking about it lately?

Israeli Secret Intelligence Service?

Who is the latest fake boogey man? Don't we have a war with Iran to do? Maybe they decided to ease up on the world for a while before they all start bombing our stupid asses like we have everyone else.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

I think almost every modern group misinterprets Islam in some way.

However, when it comes to antisemitism, calls to violence, hatred, bigotry, torturing, humiliating, decapitating, mutilating, dismembering, crucifying, and wiping out non-muslims, it's clearly and blatantly commanded in the Qu'ran, and can be found in the Hadiths, and the lifestyle of the founding "Prophet", as well.

Pointing out such errors should be just as acceptable and politically correct as pointing out the errors of Nazism, but it's not!

See the verses I quoted a few posts up. It's thoroughly disgusting bigotry, no matter what context a person tries to use to defend it!

There's also a lot of verses that suggest otherwise that condemn force conversion and wanting to live peacefully with disbelievers. Because just like the bible, it was written by multiple people so you will get conflicting messages.

But I care more about the actions of Muslims rather than judge because of sayings mentioned in book written over a thousand years ago.

 

[Spiderman]

Israeli Secret Intelligence Service?

Who is the latest fake boogey man? Don't we have a war with Iran to do? Maybe they decided to ease up on the world for a while before they all start bombing our stupid asses like we have everyone else.

If you think Islamic extremism is a "fake Boogeyman",
You aren't one of the prepubescent Christian girls taken from home and forced to marry a middle-aged Muslim man.

Harsh misogynistic and oppressive policies are affecting hundreds of millions of lives.

Before America went into Afghanistan, women were forced to dress like Darth Vader (covering their face), they couldn't get an education or drive, people were stoned to death, humiliated, tortured, mutilated, and beheaded publicly for next to nothing.

As far as im concerned, every woman's life was ruined. That's a whole gender. I would rather be one of the crickets, cockroaches, beetles, or caterpillars I feed my spiders, than be a woman under those conditions, including Saudi-Arabia (Muslim Holy Land, Alli of America).

This is how a whole gender dressed before American intervention:

Thats an entire gender.
I'd rather be spider food!

 

[Theweirdtophat]

If you think Islamic extremism is a "fake Boogeyman",
You aren't one of the prepubescent Christian girls taken from home and forced to marry a middle-aged Muslim man.

Harsh misogynistic and oppressive policies are affecting hundreds of millions of lives.

Before America went into Afghanistan, women were forced to dress like Darth Vader (covering their face), they couldn't get an education or drive, people were stoned to death, humiliated, tortured, mutilated, and beheaded publicly for next to nothing.

As far as im concerned, every woman's life was ruined. That's a whole gender. I would rather be one of the crickets, cockroaches, beetles, or caterpillars I feed my spiders, than be a woman under those conditions, including Saudi-Arabia (Muslim Holy Land, Alli of America).

This is how a whole gender dressed before American intervention:
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Thats an entire gender.
I'd rather be spider food!

He is mentioning them as a boogeyman, as in America has used and/or created the group to cause problems and division. This isn't the first time it's happened. They did it with Osama and Saddam too. Especially when we had no right to invade entire countries to punish them because of what terrorists did to the twin towers. If some ethopian terrorists blew up our stuff, would it make sense to invade Ethiopia itself? No. American government wanted to go war with those countries to begin with and made up stuff to get people ready to invade. We were the invaders there. The whole war on terror is a joke anyway because you're not declaring a war on any country. You can't define a winner, so it goes on forever, which is why it lasted that long.

America will most likely create another boogeyman to get people to invade yet another country, probably Iran.

 

[Spiderman]

There's also a lot of verses that suggest otherwise that condemn force conversion and wanting to live peacefully with disbelievers. Because just like the bible, it was written by multiple people so you will get conflicting messages.

But I care more about the actions of Muslims rather than judge because of sayings mentioned in book written over a thousand years ago.

Doesn't change the fact that hatred, bigotry, and violence is promoted in the Qu'ran and fuels groups like ISIS, Taliban, Boko-haram, and the misogynost bigoted Saudi Government Theocracy. The Islamic "Holy Land"(America's "Alli").

If there is a book that says "all men are equal" and then repeatedly calls people to lynch minorities, should we focus on the good verses promoting equality, or condemn the whole book as toxic, bigoted, hateful, dangerous trash?

It's not healthy to be politically correct here and bury our heads in the sand.

 

[Spiderman]

Doesn't change the fact that hatred, bigotry, and violence is promoted in the Qu'ran and fuels groups like ISIS, Taliban, Boko-haram, and the misogynost bigoted Saudi Government Theocracy. The Islamic "Holy Land"(America's "Alli").

If there is a book that says "all men are equal" and then repeatedly calls people to lynch minorities, should we focus on the good verses promoting equality, or condemn the whole book as toxic, bigoted, hateful, dangerous trash?

It's not healthy to be politically correct here and bury our heads in the sand.

It is noble and healthy to take a stand against hatred, bigotry, homophobia, violence, oppression, misogyny, tyranny, cruelty, and pedophilia, even when to do so is politically incorrect!

I do the same with the Bible (or I would be a hypocrite).

Stop the hate!

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Doesn't change the fact that hatred, bigotry, and violence is promoted in the Qu'ran and fuels groups like ISIS, Taliban, Boko-haram, and the misogynost bigoted Saudi Government Theocracy. The Islamic "Holy Land"(America's "Alli").

If there is a book that says "all men are equal" and then repeatedly calls people to lynch minorities, should we focus on the good verses promoting equality, or condemn the whole book as toxic, bigoted, hateful, dangerous trash?

It's not healthy to be politically correct here and bury our heads in the sand.

And there's a lot of verses that say otherwise. But people conveniently forget that

Not that it matters. You are using it as an excuse to despise Muslims. Most don't go around force converting people anyway. There's a billion of them and the terrorist groups out there don't really represent even a quarter of the population. It only appears that way because they keep reporting them over and over.

Also focus on the laws of the country. Saudi Arabia is corrupt. Take away there religion and they will find new ways to be corrupt. The Muslims in Malaysia and Kazakhstan will not behave the same way as the ones in Egypt in Saudi Arabia. It isn't also just the laws but culture as well. You can have a group where they do something bad because of their culture, even if their religion never mentions it.

People who are already despising Muslims will often say the terrorists represent Islam or the majority or act as if that is what a real muslim is supposed to be in order to justify there prejudice against them.

 

[Earthling]

If you think Islamic extremism is a "fake Boogeyman",
You aren't one of the prepubescent Christian girls taken from home and forced to marry a middle-aged Muslim man.

Yeah, right. Islamic Extremist who just always happen to be where we need oil and have never attacked Israel.

 

[Spiderman]

And there's a lot of verses that say otherwise. But people conveniently forget that

Not that it matters. You are using it as an excuse to despise Muslims. Most don't go around force converting people anyway. There's a billion of them and the terrorist groups out there don't really represent even a quarter of the population. It only appears that way because they keep reporting them over and over.

Also focus on the laws of the country. Saudi Arabia is corrupt. Take away there religion and they will find new ways to be corrupt. The Muslims in Malaysia and Kazakhstan will not behave the same way as the ones in Egypt in Saudi Arabia. It isn't also just the laws but culture as well. You can have a group where they do something bad because of their culture, even if their religion never mentions it.

People who are already despising Muslims will often say the terrorists represent Islam or the majority or act as if that is what a real muslim is supposed to be in order to justify there prejudice against them.

I already addressed the peaceful verses. I'm glad they are there.

And I don't despise Muslims. I have prayed at a mosque, and will wear a kufi, wash my hands, face, and feet, face Mecca barefoot with my face to the ground to praise Allah in Arabic, with any Muslim who wants to do so with me.

I even considered becoming Muslim because they have so many kids, are growing so rapidly, very prayerful + devout, don't drink, dont usually abort children, dress modestly, and take a stand for what they believe (on average, more than Christians).

However, if a book has peaceful verses combined with calls to hatred, bigotry, cruelty, and violence, should we focus on the peaceful verses, or recognize that the book is dangerous and responsible for the brainwashing, oppression, killing, homophobia, violence, terrorism, or sexism that is affecting hundreds of millions of people?

 

[Spiderman]

Yeah, right. Islamic Extremist who just always happen to be where we need oil and have never attacked Israel.

The information I presented about governments that in many ways ruin the lives of an entire gender and persecute non-muslims, is a verifiable fact!

 

[Earthling]

The information I presented about governments that in many ways ruin the lives of an entire gender and persecute non-muslims, is a verifiable fact!

FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! Greedy American, British and Israeli PIGS!

MURDERERS!

 

[Spiderman]

FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! Greedy American, British and Israeli PIGS!

MURDERERS!

At least British, American, and Israeli governments don't outlaw the Bible, cut off hands, stone adulterers, cut off heads for blasphemy, kill homosexuals, make women dress like Darth Vader, refuse to let women drive and get an education etc....so they are quite civilised in comparison to some of the Theocracies and regimes these days imo.

 

[Earthling]

At least British, American, and Israeli governments don't outlaw the Bible, cut off hands, stone adulterers, cut off heads for blasphemy, kill homosexuals, make women dress like Darth Vader, refuse to let women drive and get an education etc....so they are quite civilised in comparison to some of the Theocracies and regimes these days imo.

Fake, Fake, Fake.

 

[Spiderman]

I knew a neo-nazi in jail who had a tattoo of Hitler on one leg and a swastika on the other. Yet he had friends who were minorities. He didn't hate minorities and was well-respected. He just thought his ethnicity was superior.

The Qu'ran teaches similar bigotry in a different form. It teaches Muslims are superior, they have the only acceptable Religion; and it repeatedly calls them to kill Jews, Christians, "Idolators", and unbelievers. It speaks of those infidels like they aren't even human, and you should not be friends with them, unless they convert to Islam.

How is that not comparably as ugly as Nazism? Hence, I'm doing the right thing by pointing out these errors!

 

[Spiderman]

I love Muslims.

We all should love our Muslim brethren.

I don't want anyone to hate Muslims.

But one can still love Muslims while pointing out the hatred and bigotry that is promoted in the Qu'ran.

I love Christians and Jews, but still point out the errors and atrocities in the Bible.

It's the right thing to do!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah, damned murdered children hogging the limelight. Screw 'em, am I right? It's drawing attention away from where it needs to be; on grown men chasing balls around! *air horn*

Remember Boko Haram kidnapping all those school children?

After a while news reports dropped it like a hot potato. Mass shootings where it's at today baby!! Ratings heaven. Milk it for all it's worth while it lasts till the next big thing comes along.

Whoo!!! Hot doggy!!