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What evidence is there that christians are all mass deluded?

Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
atotalstranger said:
To be deluded, you have to actually believe. I don't think the vast majority of Christians have ever examined their beliefs enough to make those beliefs meaningful.
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Technically, to be deluded you have to actually be not meeting the standard of other people's beliefs. Particularly about you.
 
blueman

blueman

God's Warrior
Paul Rusco said:
To be fair though, I don't think Christians are mass deluded, I can't even venture a guess, especially since there's no such thing as a "real" or "true" Christian.

Yeah there are some loonies, but that's a Human trait that exists in fields that arn't even related to religion, let alone Christianity.

I guess it's like when people ask are Atheists immoral, but both "Atheist" and "immoral" can't even be truely defined anyways, therefore I'd be lying if I said, or attempted to give you an accurate answer - other than:

I honestly cannot answer your question.

:no:
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I'm not sure I understand your point about there not being a such thing as a real or true Christian? Please clarify
 
averageJOE

averageJOE

zombie
averageJOE said:
It's the central belief of Christianity that I find delusional. The worshiping of a flesh and blood mortal man, who may or may not have actually lived. Actually believing this mortal man was God.

OK, maybe delusional is too strong of a word. But I definatly find it to be weird and creepy.
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Madhuri said:
Funny, that's the part I respect the most.
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Let me ask you this;
If someone TODAY claimed to be the messiah and also had a bunch of followers what would be your recation to it? Would you think they were delusional?

Remember, Charles Manson and his "family" truley believed he was the messiah.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Heneni said:
Present the evidence and let's examine it....
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Well, let's establish what you mean by "mass deluded". Can non-Christian religions, or any aspects of them, be characterized as mass delusions? E.g. the religions of the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Sumerians, Indians, their creation mythologies, their hero legends, the miracles they witnessed firsthand (the doors of the temple open by themselves, with a trumpet blast, for example); their rituals to curry the favor of the gods, the mass pilgrimages to hear the wisdom of the Oracle of Delphi --- do these count as mass delusions?
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
There are, right now, literally millions of people in India who believe a miracle man named Sathya Sai Baba is a living god, and who have personally witnessed him walking on water or other outlandish things. If that is not a "mass delusion" then there simply is no such thing as a mass delusion. And the same goes for countless cults including the cult of Jesus of Nazareth, and its Pauline extensions. We have the miracle of walking on water and casting demons into pigs, all the way to sightings of the Virgin Mary and stigmata (in the wrong locations!)

Which is not to say that there is nothing admirable or redeeming about Christianity or that it is equivalent to all upstart cults.....but merely that Christianity shares one aspect in common with an upstart cult, that elements of it are mass delusion.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Give us some examples of mass delusions, and some examples of things which seem like mass delusions but are not, according to your meaning. Then we can make a comparison to aspects of Christianity.
 
Tiapan

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
Well the existence of heaven and hell, are believed real places by many christians, and life after death, would this not count as deluded? As an atheist I can only conclude it is mass delusion.

Cheers
 
Mister Emu

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
the doors of the temple open by themselves, with a trumpet blast, for example
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This certainly doesn't count, as it really happened :p It was just mechanical in nature...

It only means they were incorrect... now if you showed an ancient greek the inner mechanical workings of the door and they still believed it was a miracle... then one maybe might say delusion...

If that is not a "mass delusion" then there simply is no such thing as a mass delusion.
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I disagree... for it to be a delusion you would have to be able to prove it didn't happen... say have video footage of the man not walking on water on the date he was supposed to have done so...

stigmata (in the wrong locations!)
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How is that delusional? Now, some are frauds, and it is interesting that stigmata appears in the places that the stigmatic believes were on Jesus, but I don't see how stigmata is evidence of delusion?
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Taking the question of the OP at face value (probably not the wisest thing to do), I would say that their beliefs in so-called Free Will and in a Creator God are objectivelly the best evidence.
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
averageJOE said:
Let me ask you this;
If someone TODAY claimed to be the messiah and also had a bunch of followers what would be your recation to it? Would you think they were delusional?

Remember, Charles Manson and his "family" truley believed he was the messiah.
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Ask Christians what they think of Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda
 
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