What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

[sayak83]

Theists, believe that if they will do something wrong like; violence, robbery, bluff, fraud etc. Definitely in return they will receive some kind of punishment, or sufferings in their current birth, or next birth, or hell, or somewhere else.

Resulted, by fearing this they avoid doing bad actions.

My question is.. What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

Kindly note: by asking this question I DO-NOT claim any kind of next birth, or hell etc.

I take objection to the fact that theists don't do bad things merely because of fear of God or Karma (say). Most people experience the fact that the quality of their lived experience improves when they contribute to the community and nurture human relationships through mutually beneficial actions and words. They see that good actions are good because they make their own lives good overall. That is why most people are good.
There are places however where this does not hold. Mafia like criminal networks and families, cut-throat predatory corporate cultures and corridors of political power are places where one if benefitted by harming others. These organizations are parasitic on society and in these places what is good for the individual is no longer good for the society. While the number of people involved in such cultures are small, most of the world's crime is concentrated in these parasitic groups.

 

[Polymath257]

I NEVER mean that one may lock their loved one's in some room.

By love creating fear, I mean the fear of loosing someone's love. NOT that person.

And yes, that create sufferings.

And I would submit that having such fear means it isn't real love, but a type of infatuation.

 

[chinu]

I take objection to the fact that theists don't do bad things merely because of fear of God or Karma (say). Most people experience the fact that the quality of their lived experience improves when they contribute to the community and nurture human relationships through mutually beneficial actions and words. They see that good actions are good because they make their own lives good overall. That is why most people are good.

The one who is on his/her death-bed and counting last breaths thinks that good actions are good because they make their own lives good overall ? why ?

Loll, how much life is still left behind ?

 

[Polymath257]

Who was first the chicken or the egg?
The woman or the baby? What about the man? What is the name of the first woman and man? What has occurred the big bang? It is just a bang from nothing? Did nothing produce an explosion?

The egg existed long before there were chickens. And, the transition from non-chicken to chicken was over the course of many generations, so picking an arbitrary dividing line between the two makes no sense.

In the , there was no 'first woman or man'. Our non-human ancestors changed gradually over many generations. Again, an arbitrary line for 'first' makes no sense.

As for the Big Bang, we don't know if there was anything before or not. it may well be that time itself began at the Big Bang. In fact, in the standard model that is precisely what happens. Unfortunately, we don't have a tested theory of quantum gravity, nor do we have *any* evidence from a pre-Big Bang universe (or multiverse). So, at this point, we simply do not know.

But, no, the Big Bang was NOT an explosion in the typical sense of matter being flung away from a center into a surrounding space. Instead, it is an expansion of space itself. And that expansion is still going on. We *do* have evidence from times of a few minutes into this expansion and that evidence fits our equations for the situation.

 

[Polymath257]

You can give another invitation

Which I will gladly accept the next time I travel to Europe.

 

[Polymath257]

If you are strong, see if you can answered all the questions. The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) don't be afraid.

Most of the questions are based on poor understanding, and have underlying assumptions that are wrong.

I notice that the movie asks ordinary people what they believe instead of actually looking at the scientific literature. That is a propaganda technique intended to divert attention away from the facts and into the realm of opinions.

Now, which questions would you like me to answer?

BTW, maybe we should go to another thread for this--it is off topic for a discussion of atheist morality.

 

[chinu]

And I would submit that having such fear means it isn't real love, but a type of infatuation.

Now, this sounds like the fear of loosing permanent-happiness by knowing impermanent happiness. isn't it ?

 

[ChristineM]

You can give another invitation

Sure, given the Atlantic puddle it may be a while though

 

[chinu]

Which I will gladly accept the next time I travel to Europe.

Include me too

 

[Polymath257]

Now, this sounds like the fear of loosing permanent-happiness by knowing impermanent happiness. isn't it ?

Sort of. It is more being happy when a loved one is happy, whether or not it is with you.

 

[chinu]

Sort of. It is more being happy when a loved one is happy, whether or not it is with you.

What if, somebody else give some kind of pain to your loved one ? How will you manage that ? Will you still remain happy ?

 

[Pipiripi]

The egg existed long before there were chickens. And, the transition from non-chicken to chicken was over the course of many generations, so picking an arbitrary dividing line between the two makes no sense.

In the , there was no 'first woman or man'. Our non-human ancestors changed gradually over many generations. Again, an arbitrary line for 'first' makes no sense.

As for the Big Bang, we don't know if there was anything before or not. it may well be that time itself began at the Big Bang. In fact, in the standard model that is precisely what happens. Unfortunately, we don't have a tested theory of quantum gravity, nor do we have *any* evidence from a pre-Big Bang universe (or multiverse). So, at this point, we simply do not know.

But, no, the Big Bang was NOT an explosion in the typical sense of matter being flung away from a center into a surrounding space. Instead, it is an expansion of space itself. And that expansion is still going on. We *do* have evidence from times of a few minutes into this expansion and that evidence fits our equations for the situation.

You are just imagining fantasy come not true.

 

[Pipiripi]

Most of the questions are based on poor understanding, and have underlying assumptions that are wrong.

I notice that the movie asks ordinary people what they believe instead of actually looking at the scientific literature. That is a propaganda technique intended to divert attention away from the facts and into the realm of opinions.

Now, which questions would you like me to answer?

BTW, maybe we should go to another thread for this--it is off topic for a discussion of atheist morality.

I think that you are afraid, because if you have see the video completely, today you are a Christian with hope. All the Atheist teachings are just men's illusions. Something that they cannot prove. And that is shame afraid.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of course this is true.
And NO such good person exist on this earth, this is also true.

If you are familiar with any such person. Give me an example

Step out into the world and open your eyes; there are countless people who are kind and compassionate simply because it's an innate part of their character. They're simply good for its own sake and want to make the world a better place. They don't need spankings or belly rubs from gods to steer their behavior.

 

[Father Heathen]

If you are strong, see if you can answered all the questions. The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) don't be afraid.

lol directed by the banana guy, Ray Comfort. The movie is a waste of time because it attempts to present arguments that were debunked long before the movie was ever produced. It was made to assuage creationists, not convert atheists.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you are strong, see if you can answered all the questions. The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) don't be afraid.

Many posters here want to support a claim by offering a
movie to watch. The problem is that movies take time
& full attention, yet so often turn out to be useless screeds.
To watch'm risks wasting time & effort. I recommend that
you make your case in writing using your own words.

The other problem here is that I'm much more familiar
with atheism than thou art, & your claims are ludicrous.
We've heard it all before here on RF in many thousands
of posts from believers wanting to debunk atheism.
It's always the same old same old.
This means that to support your claims, you need something
new, compelling, & brief....if you want to spark interest.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who was first the chicken or the egg?

I'd long ago figured out the answer to this age old question.
Assumptions....
- The chicken evolved from a prior bird. Let's say "gallus gallus".
- At some point in the long time of transition from gallus gallus
to a chicken, there was a parent just barely genetically different
enuf from the offspring to be a different kind of fowl.
Id est, gallus gallus begat a chicken.

Because chickens come from eggs, the egg came first.

The woman or the baby? What about the man? What is the name of the first woman and man? What has occurred the big bang? It is just a bang from nothing? Did nothing produce an explosion?

To ask questions that you believe cannot be answered isn't
an argument for or against anything, either religion or atheism.
Religion is big on providing answers, but they're so often wrong,
eg, the age of the Earth. But even more often, they have a
bigger problem, that of being "nicht einmal falsch" (beliefs so
fanciful that they aren't verifiable, eg, the number of angels
who can dance on the head of a pin).

Btw, I'd already answered one of your questions. When my
kids asked who the first man was, I named him "Bob".

 

[Polymath257]

I think that you are afraid, because if you have see the video completely, today you are a Christian with hope. All the Atheist teachings are just men's illusions. Something that they cannot prove. And that is shame afraid.

Again, I have seen the video. it is bad propaganda at best.

Which questions do you want answered from it?

 

[Father Heathen]

Many posters here want to support a claim by offering a
movie to watch. The problem is that movies take time
& full attention, yet so often turn out to be useless screeds.
I recommend that you make your case in writing using
your own words.
The other problem here is that I'm much more familiar
with atheism than thou art, & your claims are ludicrous.
We've heard it all before here on RF in many thousands
of posts from believers wanting to debunk atheism.
It's always the same old same old.
This means that to support them, you need something
new, compelling, & brief....if you want to spark interest.

I disagree, and I require you read all of the Dragonlance novels to understand why.

 

[Polymath257]

You are just imagining fantasy come not true.

No, I am using conclusions based on evidence and supported by a scientific theory that has been repeatedly tested.

YOUR views are the ones based on things that cannot be seen or tested. You are the one proposing a comforting fantasy with no supporting evidence. And you are the one that seems to be afraid of addressing the real evidence outside of your religious texts.