What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

[sayak83]

The one who is on his/her death-bed and counting last breaths thinks that good actions are good because they make their own lives good overall ? why ?

Loll, how much life is still left behind ?

One who is in his death bed is in no condition to do anything much. They are usually entirely dependent on care of others in such a condition and hence need other people even more. A hale and hearty active person in death bed is a fictional construct.

 

[Left Coast]

Kohlberg sometimes experienced depression as well.
Lawrence Kohlberg - Wikipedia

My favorite color is green.

How is that relevant?

 

[ppp]

Kohlberg sometimes experienced depression as well.
Lawrence Kohlberg - Wikipedia

I loathe mint and chocolate. What of it?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Atheists are afraid of the physical world. Everything in the physical world.

We aren't the ones walking around praying for protection. Atheism requires a courage unknown to the theist. The atheist is the one standing on his two legs like the rational primate nature made him to be, with the courage to face life without superstitions or powerless talismans, fully aware that there may be nobody off of this planet that is looking out for him or even knows he's here, and that he may be mortal and experience a return after death to the oblivion from which he came before birth.

The atheist faces the reality he finds, not the fantasy he needs to believe to be more comfortable.

Atheists often support would-be tyrants

Are you an American? Look around you. The Christians, especially the white evangelicals, are the ones supporting the would-be tyrant. The secular humanists are not so easily duped.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis.

Look around you.

God has absolute power yet he does not use it even to reveal himself

Just like Santa, who is even more powerful than any lesser god. Santa could exert his influence on us daily, but he chooses not to. Instead, he strategically remains in the background allowing people to be naughty or nice without interfering, but writing it down and checking it twice. You'll see after you die.

lest he force someone to believe who didn't want to.

That would be a crime against nature. Imagine a parent showing something to a child and forcing that child to believe something based on the evidence of its senses. The horror. Oh, the horror!

Why are people getting suckered into hating Trump?

Suckered? Lust look at the loathsome deplorable. How is anybody not repulsed and nauseated by that insect? How are people being suckered into believing that the jack-booted thug and serial liar and sexual predator is somehow an acceptable human being. This is what religious training and the willingness to believe by faith contrary to the available evidence does to tens of millions of people apparently.

they are suckered, because they can't explain why they hate him so much

Sure we can. And Have. You'll see soon enough why you should never have given your support and consent to that monster.

You no doubt have no sense of how close you are to widespread violent vigilantism and violence on the streets. What do you think will happen if it is announced that Biden has won the election? Are you expecting Trump and his armed, angry nutjobs living all around you and looking for a fight to just accept that determination as legitimate?

Atheists fear death

Nope. That's the person who needs to believe he is immortal, who is so terrified of extinction after death that he needs to whistle in the dark through life muttering to nobody to please watch over him.

they fear wild animals

LOL. Your cartoonish depiction of atheists just became laughable.

 

[Tambourine]

Do theists actually avoid doing crimes because they are afraid of being punished in the afterlife?

Or could there possibly be other reasons?

 

[Tambourine]

Pretty much this. Atheists are afraid of the physical world. Everything in the physical world.

I'm not afraid. Are you?

 

[Valjean]

Compassion often leads to violence, particularly terroristic violence. Compassion for those you view as being oppressed can lead to hatred of the oppressor.

I'm not following. Can you give some examples of this sort of circumscribed compassion?

This is not compassion. It's tribalism, ie: compassion only for your own in-group.
This is racism, religious fundamentalism, nationalism, identity politics. It's not typically a feature of compassion-based morality.

The more 'developed' concepts of morality may also underpin violent utopian ideologies though.

What are these 'developed' concepts of morality, and what is a 'violent utopia'?
A "violent utopia" brings to mind Nazism or white supremacy, that is, utopia only for a specific in-group. This is not my idea of developed morality. It sounds more like a primitive tribal or religious morality.

Developed morality would be a 'big tent' morality; a moral consideration that extends far beyond an individual's particular status community. Where does violence fit in here?

 

[Nakosis]

Theists, believe that if they will do something wrong like; violence, robbery, bluff, fraud etc. Definitely in return they will receive some kind of punishment, or sufferings in their current birth, or next birth, or hell, or somewhere else.

Resulted, by fearing this they avoid doing bad actions.

My question is.. What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

Kindly note: by asking this question I DO-NOT claim any kind of next birth, or hell etc.

Consequences. Every action has consequences. Sometimes the consequences are good, sometimes they are bad. Good actions generally bring good consequences, bad actions bring bad ones. So just like everyone else, I try to avoid bad consequences bad not doing bad actions.

Same as a theist, except I see my consequences as being more tangible.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think that you are afraid, because if you have see the video completely, today you are a Christian with hope. All the Atheist teachings are just men's illusions. Something that they cannot prove. And that is shame afraid.

What are all these atheist teachings? Do I need to brush up on them - as you seem to need with regards science if you seriously think 6000 years is a sensible age for the Earth, and the development of life on it. You are living with tunnel vision.

 

[Augustus]

I'm not following. Can you give some examples of this sort of circumscribed compassion?

This is not compassion. It's tribalism, ie: compassion only for your own in-group.
This is racism, religious fundamentalism, nationalism, identity politics. It's not typically a feature of compassion-based morality.

All human thought requires in/out group distinctions though. Human identity is grounded as much in who we are not than who we actually are.

If you felt compassion for the Jews of Europe in 1939, you probably didn't feel compassion for the Nazis too.

As for examples, many people who devoted their lives to left-wing causes out of compassion for the oppressed, all at immense personal cost, were involved in or at least supported 'revolutionary violence'.

What are these 'developed' concepts of morality, and what is a 'violent utopia'?
A "violent utopia" brings to mind Nazism or white supremacy, that is, utopia only for a specific in-group. This is not my idea of developed morality. It sounds more like a primitive tribal or religious morality.

Developed morality would be a 'big tent' morality; a moral consideration that extends far beyond an individual's particular status community. Where does violence fit in here?

Utopian ideologies that see violence as a valid tool of progress towards the utopia. The utopia itself is not violent.

Utopian ideologies that condone violence in support of their goals range from Communism to Fascism to radical Islam.

When your goal is utopian, the ends always justify the means.

Developed morality in the sense of 'stages of moral development' relates to abstract reasoning and a focus on universal systems of justice rather than adherence to norms.

An advanced morality claims the right to know when to disobey these norms in pursuit of the greater good.


On the off-chance you are interested, this book on the subject is great.

In Pfaff's view, the Romantic movement and its notion of "redemptive, utopian violence" fueled the century-long conflagration that first engulfed Europe in August 1914. A National Book Award finalist for Barbarian Sentiments: America in the New Century (1989) and a political columnist for the International Herald Tribune , Pfaff believes the death of chivalry, "a code of national and personal conduct," and the growth of totalitarian utopias were the legacy of WWI. To explore this, Pfaff closely examines six influential artists, writers and intellectuals—T.E. Lawrence, Gabriele D'Annunzio, Ernst Jünger, Willy Münzenberg, André Malraux and Arthur Koestler—"who believed themselves committed to progressive causes" and styled themselves romantic warriors; all ended up disillusioned or murdered. In crisp learned prose, Pfaff weaves a tale of men driven by a lust for power fueled by the heroic notion of human society perfected through the application of romantic ideals. Pfaff holds the classical view that human life is fundamentally tragic, and for him, these utopias necessarily devolved into cruel, murderous totalitarian regimes. He concludes that we have no worldview today to replace the belief in religious or secular progress; he vaguely argues for a reawaking of the power of virtue over idealism. At a time when war has been cast as redemptive, this book deserves to be widely read and discussed.

 

[Valjean]

The most fear of an Atheist is that, their teachings has a no beginning and a no ending. Their story begins in the middle of no where by a big bang theory. And what was the cause of the big bang they don't know. They are afraid of the truth.

You seem to have some idea that theoretical cosmogeny underlies atheism. This is ridiculous. The Big Bang never enters the mind of most atheists, and most know little about it.
You say the cause of the Big Bang is unknown. This is true, and it's true of theists, as well.
"Goddidit" proposes an agent, but it explains nothing. The religious have a less comprehensive explanation of the BB than physics does.
"Afraid of the truth?" What does that mean? Intellectuals follow the evidence and don't fear evidence that contradicts their current beliefs. The religious seem to fear and deny any evidence that threatens their faith -- itself not evidence based.

You seem to think atheism is some sort of movement or doctrine. You talk about atheist "teachings." There are no atheist teachings, and there is no atheist doctrine. Atheism is a lack of belief, not a set of beliefs.

If this world is millions year with humans upon it, why between 300 years ago till today, people was traveling by horses and today we have space shuttles in the sky? Ten millions years ago how do they travel?

What's your point? There was an explosion of technology when humans finally abandoned religious folklore and began analyzing and testing actual observations. What else would you expect?

We Christians knows that this earth is about 6000 years old. They was traveling already on horses. And we know exactly when knowledge was to going increase. So we have a beginning and an end.

This is the major fear for all that don't believe in God.

Young-Earth is folklore. It contradicts all relevant, objective evidence.
What is this beginning and end thing, and why would anyone either fear or not fear it?

 

[Pipiripi]

You seem to have some idea that theoretical cosmogeny underlies atheism. This is ridiculous. The Big Bang never enters the mind of most atheists, and most know little about it.
You say the cause of the Big Bang is unknown. This is true, and it's true of theists, as well.
"Goddidit" proposes an agent, but it explains nothing. The religious have a less comprehensive explanation of the BB than physics does.
"Afraid of the truth?" What does that mean? Intellectuals follow the evidence and don't fear evidence that contradicts their current beliefs. The religious seem to fear and deny any evidence that threatens their faith -- itself not evidence based.

You seem to think atheism is some sort of movement or doctrine. You talk about atheist "teachings." There are no atheist teachings, and there is no atheist doctrine. Atheism is a lack of belief, not a set of beliefs.
What's your point? There was an explosion of technology when humans finally abandoned religious folklore and began analyzing and testing actual observations. What else would you expect?
Young-Earth is folklore. It contradicts all relevant, objective evidence.
What is this beginning and end thing, and why would anyone either fear or not fear it?

If Atheist is not a teaching, why the most knows the same? Who is the first person that have come with the idea that there is no God and have followers? Why believe in something that can proof nothing.

Christians knows that are Spirit, some good and some bad. We have the proof. Because they entered in all humans body that don't believe in God. Only in the name of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit they can come out. And you all have seen this before. Go on YouTube click Spirit. This spirit doesn't let you see what they are doing to humans. Christians cast them out. They speak to us. Go to God my friends there is hope.

Look at this statement:
An Atheist when he died, there is nothing more because there is no God. So nothing to loose.
A Christian when he died He have hope of resurrection. Because there is a God.
If we have to choose which one is better? If God exist what have you loose? Choose wise my friend.

 

[Pipiripi]

What are all these atheist teachings? Do I need to brush up on them - as you seem to need with regards science if you seriously think 6000 years is a sensible age for the Earth, and the development of life on it. You are living with tunnel vision.

Go and see on YouTube. The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) tried to answer all the questions. Let me know that you can.

 

[McBell]

If Atheist is not a teaching, why the most knows the same? Who is the first person that have come with the idea that there is no God and have followers? Why believe in something that can proof nothing.

Christians knows that are Spirit, some good and some bad. We have the proof. Because they entered in all humans body that don't believe in God. Only in the name of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit they can come out. And you all have seen this before. Go on YouTube click Spirit. This spirit doesn't let you see what they are doing to humans. Christians cast them out. They speak to us. Go to God my friends there is hope.

Look at this statement:
An Atheist when he died, there is nothing more because there is no God. So nothing to loose.
A Christian when he died He have hope of resurrection. Because there is a God.
If we have to choose which one is better? If God exist what have you loose? Choose wise my friend.

Any entity that falls for Pascals Wager is not an entity worthy of the title God.

 

[McBell]

Go and see on YouTube. The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) tried to answer all the questions. Let me know that you can.

Are you on Ray Comforts payroll?

 

[FearGod]

Theists, believe that if they will do something wrong like; violence, robbery, bluff, fraud etc. Definitely in return they will receive some kind of punishment, or sufferings in their current birth, or next birth, or hell, or somewhere else.

Resulted, by fearing this they avoid doing bad actions.

My question is.. What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

Kindly note: by asking this question I DO-NOT claim any kind of next birth, or hell etc.

It depends on ones belief regarding the afterlife, some theists do more bad deeds than some atheists
because some are just liars and hypocrites.

The quran made it clear that next life is coming and life on earth won't last forever, God
said that he will even create the same fingertips that people have on earth, I wonder
if people during the era of the quran have knowledge about how unique are the fingertips.

No one can be sure about the fact that there will be another life, even the atheists themselves
can never be sure about this matter but i believe they wish that there will be no afterlife to
avoid punishment, we came to this life from a very tiny sperms and eggs, if this was planned
by a planner then i think it won't be a hard job for him to bring back the life as he made it the first time.

 

[blü 2]

What makes your morality ? I want to know that.

Morality is partly evolved, partly acquired.

We know from anthropology and from studies of children that all humans have evolved moral tendencies appropriate for life as a gregarious primate. These are child nurture and protection, dislike of the one who harms, like of fairness and reciprocity, respect for authority, loyalty to the group, and a feeling of virtue / self-worth through self-denial.

Our evolution has also given us a conscience, and a capacity for empathy.

The rest of our morality is acquired from our upbringing, culture, education and experience ─ how to encounter people of the same or opposite sex, older, same age, or younger, how to dine with others, how to dress depending on the occasion, the rules of excretion, and much more of the kind.

 

[Cooky]

Do you need fear of retribution to avoid doing all those things? If yes, I propose you keep believing.

Ciao

- viole

I was just watching the mini-series Chernobyl, and there was a scene where the head of the KGB explained how people follow people... And there are people who follow those people, and so on.

...And it’s called the Circle of Accountability.

And then I started thinking about how here innthe West, we just kind of do what we're supposed to do most of the time. But not all the time.

Here's an article on the Circle of Accountability.

Chernobyl Should Make Humanity Count Its Blessings

The most chilling moment in Chernobyl—in a way, worse than the explosion of the reactor itself—comes when the scientist assigned to help deal with the accident, Valery Legasov, stops a senior KGB official named Charkov to plead the case of a researcher who has been arrested. When Legasov asks about his researcher, Charkov pretends not to know who she is. Legasov notes that she was followed, and Charkov points to two goons down the hall. “And they follow me. The KGB is a circle of accountability, nothing more.” Legasov asks again for his associate’s release, and in return Charkov asks whether the professor will be “accountable” for her. When Legasov says he will, the old spy says, “Then it is done.” When Legasov begins to repeat her name—so the KGB knows whom to release—Charkov says, “I know who she is,” and walks away.

For more, see article.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Go and see on YouTube. The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) tried to answer all the questions. Let me know that you can.

I'll do so when you get a decent science education. You seem to be dismissing so much as for your beliefs to be based outside of reality.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Theists, believe that if they will do something wrong like; violence, robbery, bluff, fraud etc. Definitely in return they will receive some kind of punishment, or sufferings in their current birth, or next birth, or hell, or somewhere else.

Resulted, by fearing this they avoid doing bad actions.

My question is.. What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

Kindly note: by asking this question I DO-NOT claim any kind of next birth, or hell etc.

I don't avoid doing 'bad actions' because of what I fear (basically).
People who do bad actions are parasites feeding on others. I have more self respect than that, and I sleep soundly because of it.

It's worth noting that I am in a luxurious position in that I can act according to my conscience without having to watch my children starve, etc.

Context (as always) is important.