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What frustrates you about humanity?

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I guess you can say this is an extension to the thread created by @james blunt concerning the following:

Is it wrong that I wish all humans were dead ?

However in this particular discussion I do not proclaim to sentence nor wish that an entire human population to cease to exist. We have real world problems, but I firmly believe that majority of us are actively trying to make the world better. My profession allows me to see the ugly side of life, the corruptible, the fallible, the mortal side of a human being's existence. When I leave work, the outside world provides temporal relief in the form of a smokescreen that alleviates (momentarily) the experiences I've had at work. But as I continue to live in this world I do see the ugliness that affects me where it does become depressing. I mean after all, I turn on the television and I see our current administration and I'm already depressed. I don't want to make this entirely political but more importantly enough for me personally I have not felt American since my existence on this planet. I've never really had a complete sense of patriotism other than when I was five years-old we were coerced to say the pledge of allegiance in school.

I grow up, get a job through that I end up going to college graduating and excelling in academia then I continue my education and achieve an advance degree. I spent my whole life working twice as hard than everyone else because my own mother has instilled in me that my existence, my skin, according to society says that I'm only valuable for two things: being an athlete and being a statistic. I have built my professional life around the notion that although I will never be an athlete, I'll be the best at whatever craft that I choose to do. I've also made the life choice to not become a statistic and to alleviate myself from the dregs of the criminal world. But as I make it out of the shadows of failure and into the light of success, I still do not feel completely human. I don't feel very as if I'm a member of the human species, rather I feel like a member of the human species but as a sub category.

I recall going out with a former co-workers of mine to a Long Beach bar and we eventually met up with some guy that apparently was a good buddy of my other friend (I use the word good buddy loosely here). We talk and after a few drinks apparently this guy felt comfortable enough with me as an apparent joke for me to say "white power." White power? I understand when people get liquid courage our pre-frontal cortex walls come down and all but to say something that is totally against my beliefs? Huh? Needless to say it took both big men to keep me from breaking the guy's neck at the bar. But it confirms what I have believed all along and even through college that race is something that is in the minds of a lot of people in this country and I'm sure abroad. I'll admit, I've never sat at the table of Caucasians and felt comfortable in my life. Not because I'm scared, but because I've never felt human. I've never felt as if I belong to a collective based on the experiences as a child and the experiences of my parents and grand-parents.

There lies my frustration with humanity......

I firmly believe humanity as it exists right now will never realize its full potential with the existence of different generations as we are a conglomerate of personal experiences and residual affects of previous generations from before. We are products of our governments and social infrastructures where it seems that at present we are confined to pre-existing ideals. If we go outside the box we are chastised. If we make a voice to those who are unable to speak we are loud. These problems exist and continue to exist. When we mention these problems even those who call themselves progressives are very stagnant in discussing these issues. My existence and who I am regardless of my socioeconomic status has been pre-determined for me across the world. If I go to India, there is a name for me. If I go to China, Arab countries, and even parts of Africa there is a name for me. Although I may be seen as a person by some, but by most my phenotype and some pre-conceived notion of who I am comes first. Religious people are no different and even in the so-called "Holy Land" racial and gender discrimination is apparent.

I don't think I will ever sit at a table and feel like a complete human being not even Islam as it exists today can provide that comfort (considering there is a great deal of racism that is practiced in many Arab/Asian countries). I don't think for me I will ever sit at a table, work at a job, or be in an academic institution where my skin complexion and who I am or where I grew up is not something to be considered. In essence I will never feel like a complete human being....

What is my solution?

@james blunt was on to something when he posed the question on whether it is wrong that one wises humanity was dead. Of course my solution is somewhat different. I firmly believe the generations at least the ones born on 2050 will be the foundation where we can head towards true progressivism, true belief in one species in one humanity. So I do agree that generations and people amongst those generations need to die myself included. I do believe all of us including those on this website need to die in order to not taint future generations with our experiences and what we had to endure. A fresh start doesn't have to necessarily mean an asteroid hitting earth killing everyone, rather, it means that generations along with past experiences and even ideals have to die and fresh ones begin. Although progressive ideals ought to be a foundation of a better world how its implemented needs to start with the future. Then hopefully, some day, the lines will be blurred and sub-categories will be seen as a thing of the past and that humanity will be seen as one single category.

Sorry for the long winded post but I leave with the following video:


I perceive the above video as our potential in our future....
 

Geoff-Allen

Resident megalomaniac
Sorry for the long winded post but I leave with the following video:

No need to apologise - it was well-worth the read!

I am optimistic about our human potential - we just haven't (yet) worked out the best way of encouraging every individual to manifest their potential for joy & optimism & kindness & compassion.

There are many working for positive changes and who-knows what the future may hold - there is always hope!

Just out of idle curiosity I plugged future of humanity into the world's favourite search engine and found this -

The Realistic Future of Humanity – Predict – Medium

All the best!
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Homo Sapiens is the most successful predator now on Earth, and perhaps ever? It would be my wish that I could get in the Gene controls and make us a bit less aggressive. The issue with that is we don't know what we may face in the future? I think it is sophomoric that in all Alien contact movies I've seen. Humans get aggressive with everyone that visits. Even in the Movie, "Arrival", some idiot has to get rowdy.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think the only thing that I find frustrating is when people hold onto wrong ideas in the name of tradition
 

Earthling

David Henson
My answer to @james blunt was that I had felt that destructive tendency when I was a young man. I was angry, hateful, bitter at everything. Not just humanity but it's workings. Political, religious, social, status, wealth, poverty and not just humanity but the animal kingdom can be brutal as well. Everything. And I gradually came to realize that all of that meant very little to me in actuality. It was superficial. On the surface. And that there was something within me that was bringing about all of that hostility. Something that I was unaware of. Something unknown.

In mythology this is often represented as a dragon. You have to slay the dragon. Once you slay the dragon you are transformed, reborn. Because you've learned something new. You're not the same. In a sense you have sacrificed your old self.

Your lack of humanity - could that be that the ensuing chaos - the thing unknown represented by the dragon, is so stressful it is causing you to freeze, like a rabbit being hunted by a fox.

I've been learning new things and this line of thinking is a product of that. It may be complete nonsense, but it's kind of interesting to me.

The dragon, the phoenix, rebirth, slaying the dragon, sacrifice, Armageddon, new heavens, new earth.




 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
What frustrates me about humanity is: how can we be so smart and yet so stupid?

That's pretty much my thought too. We seem to be a species that is just smart enough to get itself into situations it is not smart enough to get itself out of. The ancient Greeks thought that was because of our tragic nature, and I'm not so sure they were wrong.

We're also very good at denying reality rather than dealing with it.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I guess you can say this is an extension to the thread created by @james blunt concerning the following:

Is it wrong that I wish all humans were dead ?

However in this particular discussion I do not proclaim to sentence nor wish that an entire human population to cease to exist. We have real world problems, but I firmly believe that majority of us are actively trying to make the world better. My profession allows me to see the ugly side of life, the corruptible, the fallible, the mortal side of a human being's existence. When I leave work, the outside world provides temporal relief in the form of a smokescreen that alleviates (momentarily) the experiences I've had at work. But as I continue to live in this world I do see the ugliness that affects me where it does become depressing. I mean after all, I turn on the television and I see our current administration and I'm already depressed. I don't want to make this entirely political but more importantly enough for me personally I have not felt American since my existence on this planet. I've never really had a complete sense of patriotism other than when I was five years-old we were coerced to say the pledge of allegiance in school.

I grow up, get a job through that I end up going to college graduating and excelling in academia then I continue my education and achieve an advance degree. I spent my whole life working twice as hard than everyone else because my own mother has instilled in me that my existence, my skin, according to society says that I'm only valuable for two things: being an athlete and being a statistic. I have built my professional life around the notion that although I will never be an athlete, I'll be the best at whatever craft that I choose to do. I've also made the life choice to not become a statistic and to alleviate myself from the dregs of the criminal world. But as I make it out of the shadows of failure and into the light of success, I still do not feel completely human. I don't feel very as if I'm a member of the human species, rather I feel like a member of the human species but as a sub category.

I recall going out with a former co-workers of mine to a Long Beach bar and we eventually met up with some guy that apparently was a good buddy of my other friend (I use the word good buddy loosely here). We talk and after a few drinks apparently this guy felt comfortable enough with me as an apparent joke for me to say "white power." White power? I understand when people get liquid courage our pre-frontal cortex walls come down and all but to say something that is totally against my beliefs? Huh? Needless to say it took both big men to keep me from breaking the guy's neck at the bar. But it confirms what I have believed all along and even through college that race is something that is in the minds of a lot of people in this country and I'm sure abroad. I'll admit, I've never sat at the table of Caucasians and felt comfortable in my life. Not because I'm scared, but because I've never felt human. I've never felt as if I belong to a collective based on the experiences as a child and the experiences of my parents and grand-parents.

There lies my frustration with humanity......

I firmly believe humanity as it exists right now will never realize its full potential with the existence of different generations as we are a conglomerate of personal experiences and residual affects of previous generations from before. We are products of our governments and social infrastructures where it seems that at present we are confined to pre-existing ideals. If we go outside the box we are chastised. If we make a voice to those who are unable to speak we are loud. These problems exist and continue to exist. When we mention these problems even those who call themselves progressives are very stagnant in discussing these issues. My existence and who I am regardless of my socioeconomic status has been pre-determined for me across the world. If I go to India, there is a name for me. If I go to China, Arab countries, and even parts of Africa there is a name for me. Although I may be seen as a person by some, but by most my phenotype and some pre-conceived notion of who I am comes first. Religious people are no different and even in the so-called "Holy Land" racial and gender discrimination is apparent.

I don't think I will ever sit at a table and feel like a complete human being not even Islam as it exists today can provide that comfort (considering there is a great deal of racism that is practiced in many Arab/Asian countries). I don't think for me I will ever sit at a table, work at a job, or be in an academic institution where my skin complexion and who I am or where I grew up is not something to be considered. In essence I will never feel like a complete human being....

What is my solution?

@james blunt was on to something when he posed the question on whether it is wrong that one wises humanity was dead. Of course my solution is somewhat different. I firmly believe the generations at least the ones born on 2050 will be the foundation where we can head towards true progressivism, true belief in one species in one humanity. So I do agree that generations and people amongst those generations need to die myself included. I do believe all of us including those on this website need to die in order to not taint future generations with our experiences and what we had to endure. A fresh start doesn't have to necessarily mean an asteroid hitting earth killing everyone, rather, it means that generations along with past experiences and even ideals have to die and fresh ones begin. Although progressive ideals ought to be a foundation of a better world how its implemented needs to start with the future. Then hopefully, some day, the lines will be blurred and sub-categories will be seen as a thing of the past and that humanity will be seen as one single category.

Sorry for the long winded post but I leave with the following video:


I perceive the above video as our potential in our future....
Regarding humans, someone once said: "We are creatures of hope."

This is not necessarily a good thing.....it tends to keep us from seeing things as they are. "Oh, yeah, things are bad, but they'll get better."

Anything, worthwhile, takes effort...and feelings of hope ain't gonna do it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I guess you can say this is an extension to the thread created by @james blunt concerning the following:

Is it wrong that I wish all humans were dead ?

However in this particular discussion I do not proclaim to sentence nor wish that an entire human population to cease to exist. We have real world problems, but I firmly believe that majority of us are actively trying to make the world better. My profession allows me to see the ugly side of life, the corruptible, the fallible, the mortal side of a human being's existence. When I leave work, the outside world provides temporal relief in the form of a smokescreen that alleviates (momentarily) the experiences I've had at work. But as I continue to live in this world I do see the ugliness that affects me where it does become depressing. I mean after all, I turn on the television and I see our current administration and I'm already depressed. I don't want to make this entirely political but more importantly enough for me personally I have not felt American since my existence on this planet. I've never really had a complete sense of patriotism other than when I was five years-old we were coerced to say the pledge of allegiance in school.

I grow up, get a job through that I end up going to college graduating and excelling in academia then I continue my education and achieve an advance degree. I spent my whole life working twice as hard than everyone else because my own mother has instilled in me that my existence, my skin, according to society says that I'm only valuable for two things: being an athlete and being a statistic. I have built my professional life around the notion that although I will never be an athlete, I'll be the best at whatever craft that I choose to do. I've also made the life choice to not become a statistic and to alleviate myself from the dregs of the criminal world. But as I make it out of the shadows of failure and into the light of success, I still do not feel completely human. I don't feel very as if I'm a member of the human species, rather I feel like a member of the human species but as a sub category.

I recall going out with a former co-workers of mine to a Long Beach bar and we eventually met up with some guy that apparently was a good buddy of my other friend (I use the word good buddy loosely here). We talk and after a few drinks apparently this guy felt comfortable enough with me as an apparent joke for me to say "white power." White power? I understand when people get liquid courage our pre-frontal cortex walls come down and all but to say something that is totally against my beliefs? Huh? Needless to say it took both big men to keep me from breaking the guy's neck at the bar. But it confirms what I have believed all along and even through college that race is something that is in the minds of a lot of people in this country and I'm sure abroad. I'll admit, I've never sat at the table of Caucasians and felt comfortable in my life. Not because I'm scared, but because I've never felt human. I've never felt as if I belong to a collective based on the experiences as a child and the experiences of my parents and grand-parents.

There lies my frustration with humanity......

I firmly believe humanity as it exists right now will never realize its full potential with the existence of different generations as we are a conglomerate of personal experiences and residual affects of previous generations from before. We are products of our governments and social infrastructures where it seems that at present we are confined to pre-existing ideals. If we go outside the box we are chastised. If we make a voice to those who are unable to speak we are loud. These problems exist and continue to exist. When we mention these problems even those who call themselves progressives are very stagnant in discussing these issues. My existence and who I am regardless of my socioeconomic status has been pre-determined for me across the world. If I go to India, there is a name for me. If I go to China, Arab countries, and even parts of Africa there is a name for me. Although I may be seen as a person by some, but by most my phenotype and some pre-conceived notion of who I am comes first. Religious people are no different and even in the so-called "Holy Land" racial and gender discrimination is apparent.

I don't think I will ever sit at a table and feel like a complete human being not even Islam as it exists today can provide that comfort (considering there is a great deal of racism that is practiced in many Arab/Asian countries). I don't think for me I will ever sit at a table, work at a job, or be in an academic institution where my skin complexion and who I am or where I grew up is not something to be considered. In essence I will never feel like a complete human being....

What is my solution?

@james blunt was on to something when he posed the question on whether it is wrong that one wises humanity was dead. Of course my solution is somewhat different. I firmly believe the generations at least the ones born on 2050 will be the foundation where we can head towards true progressivism, true belief in one species in one humanity. So I do agree that generations and people amongst those generations need to die myself included. I do believe all of us including those on this website need to die in order to not taint future generations with our experiences and what we had to endure. A fresh start doesn't have to necessarily mean an asteroid hitting earth killing everyone, rather, it means that generations along with past experiences and even ideals have to die and fresh ones begin. Although progressive ideals ought to be a foundation of a better world how its implemented needs to start with the future. Then hopefully, some day, the lines will be blurred and sub-categories will be seen as a thing of the past and that humanity will be seen as one single category.

Sorry for the long winded post but I leave with the following video:


I perceive the above video as our potential in our future....
I think the most frustrating is the tendency for overcomplicating just about everything resulting in red tape bureaucracy, stagnation, and the dampening of free intellectualization and innovation of new ideas and methods.

We essentially cripple ourselves as a species.
 
It frustrates me that people think we can overcome our collective cognitive limitations and irrationalities and make everything alright. That so many people think these and other flaws in human behaviour are 'errors' that can be 'fixed' is great proof that we can never be particularly rational.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
In my case, what frustrates me is that there is so much pride of such foolish attitudes as national pride, ever-growing population levels married with rising obliviousness towards the challenges that they create, and greed being treated as if it were some form of moral value.
 

james blunt

Well-Known Member
My answer to @james blunt was that I had felt that destructive tendency when I was a young man. I was angry, hateful, bitter at everything. Not just humanity but it's workings. Political, religious, social, status, wealth, poverty and not just humanity but the animal kingdom can be brutal as well. Everything. And I gradually came to realize that all of that meant very little to me in actuality. It was superficial. On the surface. And that there was something within me that was bringing about all of that hostility. Something that I was unaware of. Something unknown.

In mythology this is often represented as a dragon. You have to slay the dragon. Once you slay the dragon you are transformed, reborn. Because you've learned something new. You're not the same. In a sense you have sacrificed your old self.

Your lack of humanity - could that be that the ensuing chaos - the thing unknown represented by the dragon, is so stressful it is causing you to freeze, like a rabbit being hunted by a fox.

I've been learning new things and this line of thinking is a product of that. It may be complete nonsense, but it's kind of interesting to me.

The dragon, the phoenix, rebirth, slaying the dragon, sacrifice, Armageddon, new heavens, new earth.





I hate that humanity is not very good at thinking and mostly irrational . When I was young I stole a few cars, not because I wanted to hurt anybody or because of money motives but because I wanted to drive a car and be free to go where ever I felt like driving .
I hate feeling owned , humanity likes to own , especially the rich who we are their capitalist slaves . I pray for the day that cleaners , chauffeurs etc tell the rich to do their own toilet cleaning . It will be so funny that their wealth couldn't buy them slaves anymore .
Their wealth means nothing in the end , they might end up hiding in bunkers thinking they are safe , their own staff will kill them off and take their supplies . So funny really , it makes me smile .
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Homo Sapiens is the most successful predator now on Earth, and perhaps ever? It would be my wish that I could get in the Gene controls and make us a bit less aggressive. The issue with that is we don't know what we may face in the future? I think it is sophomoric that in all Alien contact movies I've seen. Humans get aggressive with everyone that visits. Even in the Movie, "Arrival", some idiot has to get rowdy.

Homo sapiens is the most successful predator. As a species you left off most wasteful, most destructive, caused the most extinctions, most pollutive, most careless, and so on.
For all the people that believe God created man, why would God create such a creature that not only destroys other species but even seems tries to destroy earth itself, i.e. his creations?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
No need to apologise - it was well-worth the read!

I am optimistic about our human potential - we just haven't (yet) worked out the best way of encouraging every individual to manifest their potential for joy & optimism & kindness & compassion.

There are many working for positive changes and who-knows what the future may hold - there is always hope!

Just out of idle curiosity I plugged future of humanity into the world's favourite search engine and found this -

The Realistic Future of Humanity – Predict – Medium

All the best!

This article is interesting and it actually has some relationship to what "Q" was talking about in the video I posted to Commander Ricard. If humanity can get beyond the simple quarrels of insignificant matters and governmental selfishness, humanity's potential is endless. We are either doomed to destroy each other over nonsense or excel.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I guess you can say this is an extension to the thread created by @james blunt concerning the following:

Is it wrong that I wish all humans were dead ?

However in this particular discussion I do not proclaim to sentence nor wish that an entire human population to cease to exist. We have real world problems, but I firmly believe that majority of us are actively trying to make the world better. My profession allows me to see the ugly side of life, the corruptible, the fallible, the mortal side of a human being's existence. When I leave work, the outside world provides temporal relief in the form of a smokescreen that alleviates (momentarily) the experiences I've had at work. But as I continue to live in this world I do see the ugliness that affects me where it does become depressing. I mean after all, I turn on the television and I see our current administration and I'm already depressed. I don't want to make this entirely political but more importantly enough for me personally I have not felt American since my existence on this planet. I've never really had a complete sense of patriotism other than when I was five years-old we were coerced to say the pledge of allegiance in school.

I grow up, get a job through that I end up going to college graduating and excelling in academia then I continue my education and achieve an advance degree. I spent my whole life working twice as hard than everyone else because my own mother has instilled in me that my existence, my skin, according to society says that I'm only valuable for two things: being an athlete and being a statistic. I have built my professional life around the notion that although I will never be an athlete, I'll be the best at whatever craft that I choose to do. I've also made the life choice to not become a statistic and to alleviate myself from the dregs of the criminal world. But as I make it out of the shadows of failure and into the light of success, I still do not feel completely human. I don't feel very as if I'm a member of the human species, rather I feel like a member of the human species but as a sub category.

I recall going out with a former co-workers of mine to a Long Beach bar and we eventually met up with some guy that apparently was a good buddy of my other friend (I use the word good buddy loosely here). We talk and after a few drinks apparently this guy felt comfortable enough with me as an apparent joke for me to say "white power." White power? I understand when people get liquid courage our pre-frontal cortex walls come down and all but to say something that is totally against my beliefs? Huh? Needless to say it took both big men to keep me from breaking the guy's neck at the bar. But it confirms what I have believed all along and even through college that race is something that is in the minds of a lot of people in this country and I'm sure abroad. I'll admit, I've never sat at the table of Caucasians and felt comfortable in my life. Not because I'm scared, but because I've never felt human. I've never felt as if I belong to a collective based on the experiences as a child and the experiences of my parents and grand-parents.

There lies my frustration with humanity......

I firmly believe humanity as it exists right now will never realize its full potential with the existence of different generations as we are a conglomerate of personal experiences and residual affects of previous generations from before. We are products of our governments and social infrastructures where it seems that at present we are confined to pre-existing ideals. If we go outside the box we are chastised. If we make a voice to those who are unable to speak we are loud. These problems exist and continue to exist. When we mention these problems even those who call themselves progressives are very stagnant in discussing these issues. My existence and who I am regardless of my socioeconomic status has been pre-determined for me across the world. If I go to India, there is a name for me. If I go to China, Arab countries, and even parts of Africa there is a name for me. Although I may be seen as a person by some, but by most my phenotype and some pre-conceived notion of who I am comes first. Religious people are no different and even in the so-called "Holy Land" racial and gender discrimination is apparent.

I don't think I will ever sit at a table and feel like a complete human being not even Islam as it exists today can provide that comfort (considering there is a great deal of racism that is practiced in many Arab/Asian countries). I don't think for me I will ever sit at a table, work at a job, or be in an academic institution where my skin complexion and who I am or where I grew up is not something to be considered. In essence I will never feel like a complete human being....

What is my solution?

@james blunt was on to something when he posed the question on whether it is wrong that one wises humanity was dead. Of course my solution is somewhat different. I firmly believe the generations at least the ones born on 2050 will be the foundation where we can head towards true progressivism, true belief in one species in one humanity. So I do agree that generations and people amongst those generations need to die myself included. I do believe all of us including those on this website need to die in order to not taint future generations with our experiences and what we had to endure. A fresh start doesn't have to necessarily mean an asteroid hitting earth killing everyone, rather, it means that generations along with past experiences and even ideals have to die and fresh ones begin. Although progressive ideals ought to be a foundation of a better world how its implemented needs to start with the future. Then hopefully, some day, the lines will be blurred and sub-categories will be seen as a thing of the past and that humanity will be seen as one single category.

Sorry for the long winded post but I leave with the following video:


I perceive the above video as our potential in our future....

The emperor's clothes.
 
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