What God/Gods really are.

[BSM1]

Ok, I understand there was no beginning, existence is eternal, and unified, so questions about where it came from are irrelevant, it did not come from anywhere, it has always existed. It is only the manifested forms that have beginnings and endings relative to human observations, though in truth, it is one everlasting movement.

I'm not talking about the existence of existing, we can show that in multiple relative comparisons, but the purpose of existence is the bigger question, IMO.

 

[YAW7911]

Yes that too, timelessness is a more appropriate word than eternal. Imho, time is a concept arising from the human mind's observations of the relative movement as apparent aspects of the one, whether it be the measurement of relative movement of the stars, planets, etc., or pendulums, quartz crystals, atomic oscillations, etc., and is immaterial.

I wouldn't say time doesn't really exist. Rather, it's far more complicated.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm not talking about the existence of existing, we can show that in multiple relative comparisons, but the purpose of existence is the bigger question, IMO.

The question about the purpose of existence does not arise if one is in union with God, in fact no questions arise, all is as it should be.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I wouldn't say time doesn't really exist. Rather, it's far more complicated.

What is called time is in fact merely a measurement of the persistence of existence, but the reality of existence continuing to exist is not complicated, nor the measurement thereof, time has no reality in and of itself.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

hey friend can you kindly tell me how many posts new users have to make to create there own thread ? here ??

Hi, welcome to RF, it used to be 15, but I am not sure if that is still the case. You can ask here....

Are you new to ReligiousForums.com?

 

[BSM1]

The question about the purpose of existence does not arise if one is in union with God, in fact no questions arise, all is as it should be.

That's certainly convenient, but the questions will always come while we exist on this plane of reality.

 

[YAW7911]

That's certainly convenient, but the questions will always come while we exist on this plane of reality.

What about the nature of existence, as you would describe god as 'existing'?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That's certainly convenient, but the questions will always come while we exist on this plane of reality.

True, but the real is forever on the other side of conceptual knowledge. When it comes the reality represented by God, there are no end of questions and speculation, but unless we realize union, the conceptualization about it is relative vanity. Though discussion does have its place in religious practice for sure.

 

[BSM1]

What about the nature of existence, as you would describe god as 'existing'?

True, but the real is forever on the other side of conceptual knowledge. When it comes the reality represented by God, there are no end of questions and speculation, but unless we realize union, the conceptualization about it is relative vanity. Though discussion does have its place in religious practice for sure.

There is certainly plenty of room for discussion on this interesting topic. To further muddy the water, I have said that God is the Known and the Unknown. I have said that God is also the Knowing and the Not Knowing. IMO the only way we can validate and accept our existence is if we first accept our non-existence.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is certainly plenty of room for discussion on this interesting topic. To further muddy the water, I have said that God is the Known and the Unknown. I have said that God is also the Knowing and the Not Knowing. IMO the only way we can validate and accept our existence is if we first accept our non-existence.

Can you elaborate on God being the known and unknown, and accepting our non-existence? If you mean as I have been saying, that the reality of God is real, but human conceptions about reality of God is not, I understand. In the letting go of our dualistic view of reality, we learn what and who we really are.

 

[BSM1]

Can you elaborate on God being the known and unknown, and accepting our non-existence? If you mean as I have been saying, that the reality of God is real, but human conceptions about reality of God is not, I understand. In the letting go of our dualistic view of reality, we learn what and who we really are.

I think you've said it perfectly. This duality has been the cornerstone for every dogmatic tenet of all religions. As you so rightly put it once we let go of the separation that this "twoness" causes, we begin to find ourselves in the "Oneness", so to speak. God, IMHO, has to be everything we know and not know. By the same token, God has to be the Knowing and the Not Knowing which mean even the questions we ask and the question we don't even know how to ask is also God.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I understand, and agree BSM1. I think it was Bodhidharma who was said have said..."True understanding is not only understanding understanding, it is also understanding not understanding." I used it for my sig line once..

 

[Nigel]

Then why bother saying it?

Because you are the rock against which I smash the clay jugs containing my own competing ideas.

Nothing like telling us what we think to make us accept what you think about what we think, right?

Yeah I see how that sounds, apologies just my own insecurities on display there.
Apparently, anyone who doesn't think like YOU DO.. are utterly closed minded. What a coincidence.

The better to influence the naive person. I don't give UP my rational mind when I am to consider a bunch of ideas. Sorry. Not as EMPTY here as you might like me to be.

Believe it or not this was naive attempt to explain the process of having an open mind. As I only have my self as a frame of reference I can see how this sounded arrogant.

I'm not as lucky as you, I'm not so sure of anything. So I convert to everything. Try it out, see what good it holds.

Nothing gets written into my core beliefs unless it works.

I can put things in a mental sandbox.

Apologies for making assumptions and generalisatons, sorry if I offended you.

P.S.

I didn't read your probably fascinating theories. I thought your insulting introduction was quite enough.

You know what they say about getting offended?

Nothing happens when you get offended. It's not like you go to bed offended and wake up with a horrible disease.

 

[BSM1]

I understand, and agree BSM1. I think it was Bodhidharma who was said have said..."True understanding is not only understanding understanding, it is also understanding not understanding." I used it for my sig line once..

The more I read this the more I like it.