What Happens When We Die?

[Faithofchristian]

Who told you this nonsense? And produce your spirit as evidence.

Well you just proved my case, That the dead know nothing, only that they shall die.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well you just proved my case, That the dead know nothing, only that they shall die.

Haha. You are easily pleased. We all die. Not know that?

 

[`mud]

Allow my blood to be with me
Let the flames to release me
Free my spirit to the Cosmos
Send memories of me to others
Leave my spirit be born again
With the other's spirits melded
To the stars that fostered me
Will I be further nurtured

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

You said in a previous post: "My theory is that our soul programs maintain a backup or twin in that non-local, timeless quantumland, which of course, being timeless, survives our physical death in the universe. I assume there's an overall consciousness there, God, which initiated the Big Bang birth of the universe." I did not see much proof offered.

No, nor did I offer it as such, only a possible theory, based minimally in fact, yes, but facts nonetheless. I don't rely either on highly questionable NDEs, though I can't discount them completely either. That the universe is a quantum computer is almost beyond scientific dispute. And if it does exist, our consciousnesses are a part of its programming.

 

[Thief]

I just got to thinking, what exactly happens to us after we die? I don't mean our bodies. What I mean is, what happens to our "soul" after we die? Do you think it goes to Heaven or Hell? Do you think it gets reincarnated until we achieve Nirvana? Or do you think nothing happens? Or something else? Please put what you think below and possibly an explanation if you feel motivated enough to do so. Thank you!

I believe you end up alongside others
that think and feel the same way you do

How else to be happy?
How else to be fair?

 

[Phantasman]

I seek such understanding in what Christ taught, since many report to have seen him after death. But all indications are that the mind does not die as the flesh does. The question arises, does the mind cease conscious thought (awareness). I believe the answer is yes. But conscious is only a part of the mind, and not the heart (of it).

9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?
11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision - Gospel of Mary

Mary traveled with Christ as much as the disciples themselves. And the disciples were even somewhat jealous of how Jesus loved her as much as them.

Man has mapped the brain but the mind is still evasive. We have a subconsciousness that man still has trouble understanding. I believe Jesus called this the heart, or core. A person can shut down conscious thought, yet the subconscious can become real to the mind. Who hasn't woke up from a dream or nightmare that didn't appear so real that that their heart raced or they sweat? Then, when conscious, they say it was a dream. Yet it appeared real.

It is this depth where I believe the soul and spirit store the reflections from the conscious food fed to it. It is this heart that does not die. It isn't a physical thing made up of atoms and molecules. It is beyond energy.

This powerhouse can keep the body alive while still providing thought. When the demand of the body is released, this heart still remains. It doesn't need blood to exist. It doesn't need consciousness to remain. It is the part of man that resides in the spiritual realm. Christ said to experience it, we must close out all physical distractions (entering a closet and shutting the door).

Man has defined hypnotism as the state of mind when we relax the conscience to a point that the sub conscience opens up to us. This deep seeded area is then made to believe whatever the invader suggests.

When people say that spirituality is a dream, they are correct, IMO. Every indication from Christ is that it is this area that spirit exists. That God is known. And continues even when the body no longer houses it. Basically, a body within a body. A person in a coma looses all track of time. A conscious person can experience all types of disorientation's, like vertigo and dizziness. Yet the heart doesn't experience these things. Sleep is the closest we can get to the purity of spirit while we seek it in a conscious manner.

We know that consciousness is lost in death. But the question remains, does the deepest unknown part continue in a realm that is infinite. If God is spirit, and we have an area within our mind that resides in it, then the words of Christ are real.

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."- Gospel of Thomas

Christ came to separate spirit and flesh. Physical and spiritual. There are much more spiritual teachings in the scriptures that the catholic church doesn't want man to know. Gnosis is knowledge. Knowledge is understanding. Without it, men follow the folly of men. And create religions for people to follow.

The answers are there if one seeks them without fences. We can only go on the faith and hope of the knowledge we obtain. In the end, there is no proof or disproof. Just our perception of what happens at death. And where we desire to go when it happens.

 

[Pudding]

I just got to thinking, what exactly happens to us after we die? I don't mean our bodies. What I mean is, what happens to our "soul" after we die? Do you think it goes to Heaven or Hell? Do you think it gets reincarnated until we achieve Nirvana? Or do you think nothing happens? Or something else? Please put what you think below and possibly an explanation if you feel motivated enough to do so. Thank you!

I haven't meet a method which can consistently reliably repeatably examine the validity of soul's existence. Though i do have a tiny bit of belief that soul exists, through the story of ghost and supernatural experience of people (not me) here and there. As to what happens to our soul after we die? I have no idea nor do i have any beliefs about that.

 

[osgart]

If intelligence pre existed the creation of life on earth, then perhaps there is an afterlife. Perhaps we dont sense all of reality and we are created by this intelligence.

To understand existence so well as to create living creatures is no small feat.

From what i have seen of DNA it is a highly intelligent microworld.

I see evolution ignores the question of intelligence in its processes at all costs. Thats definetly ego, and a human error in simple logic.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If intelligence pre existed the creation of life on earth, then perhaps there is an afterlife. Perhaps we dont sense all of reality and we are created by this intelligence.

To understand existence so well as to create living creatures is no small feat.

From what i have seen of DNA it is a highly intelligent microworld.

I see evolution ignores the question of intelligence in its processes at all costs. Thats definetly ego, and a human error in simple logic.

Why do you say the last? Quite recently they seem to have discovered genes allied to intelligence. Why would there be the necessity for something else?

 

[`mud]

I call it `spirit`, that piece of mine that senses all the stuff around me and adds more knowledge to my gnosis.
It came to me from my parents and the food they ate, especially my Mother. Somewhere in there, my entity,
is a crystal of being......my `core`.
With a lot of believers the spirit is religious in meaning,
Gods, nirvana, Buddha, Jesus, Allah, &_OD.
I'm trying to find a new word for the meaning of `spirit`,
Any suggestions......
My core exists within me and will exit on my dyeing,
to once again find the Cosmos, sans cognizance.
~
it seems that I said this stuff before, doesn't it ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Haha. You are easily pleased. We all die. Not know that?

Ha ha, not all die, had you any knowledge of the spiritual living that do not die, but pass by death, to life in Christ Jesus.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Ha ha, not all die, had you any knowledge of the spiritual living that do not die, but pass by death, to life in Christ Jesus.

Fine. I'll look into it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Fine. I'll look into it.

Look, your body of flesh and blood dies, But your spirit that is within your body does not die.
The only one that has the power to destroy the spirit is God and this all happens at the valley of decision. When everyone will make their decision who's side they are on.

Whether unto life in God in eternal life or Satan unto eternal death.This eternal death, is when God destroys all the spirits that made their decision to be with Satan. They will have no part in the new earth. That anything that has sin in it will be eradicated from off the face of the Earth.

 

[osgart]

Why do you say the last? Quite recently they seem to have discovered genes allied to intelligence. Why would there be the necessity for something else?

Scientists for whatever reason do not like the implications of intelligent agency in the creation of life. I did see they found genes directly associated with intelligence, but what do they attribute that to; non intelligent processes. I cant possibly believe non intelligent processes are responsible for intelligence.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Look, your body of flesh and blood dies, But your spirit that is within your body does not die.
The only one that has the power to destroy the spirit is God and this all happens at the valley of decision. When everyone will make their decision who's side they are on.

Whether unto life in God in eternal life or Satan unto eternal death.This eternal death, is when God destroys all the spirits that made their decision to be with Satan. They will have no part in the new earth. That anything that has sin in it will be eradicated from off the face of the Earth.

So you say. At what age did you get this? I have no evidence to believe in such things as a spirit. Never needed to have such beliefs and was never indoctrinated into them - for which I can bless my lovely mother - who would have been regarded as an angel by many. She was all I needed to ensure I grew up to be a reasonably honest and pleasant person - her as role model.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Scientists for whatever reason do not like the implications of intelligent agency in the creation of life. I did see they found genes directly associated with intelligence, but what do they attribute that to; non intelligent processes. I cant possibly believe non intelligent processes are responsible for intelligence.

They don't like it because it is likely to be patent nonsense. Had a good look at nature have you. It's not exactly pleasant. Why would any creator ensure so much barbarity went on? At the top here, as humans, we are relatively lucky - or is that because we deserved this?

" I cant possibly believe non intelligent processes are responsible for intelligence."

I can.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

I just got to thinking, what exactly happens to us after we die? I don't mean our bodies. What I mean is, what happens to our "soul" after we die? Do you think it goes to Heaven or Hell? Do you think it gets reincarnated until we achieve Nirvana? Or do you think nothing happens? Or something else? Please put what you think below and possibly an explanation if you feel motivated enough to do so. Thank you!

Everyone goes to a special place designed specifically for them to live for eternity.

Oh, that includes Hitler and Charles Manson. They get a special place too.

There is no of eternal torment. It would be illogical and inconsistent with a God of love.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

... what happens to our "soul" after we die?

You are first assuming that "soul" exists with this question. Based on everything we can and have ever witnessed in this universe, there is basically no room for the reality of an item like what is described as the "soul" of a human being. I feel that simple questions put enough shadow of doubt on the "soul" (with this I refer to its meaning by conventional standard) that it does not seem plausible. Anyway, here's my list of questions that cast serious doubt on the affirmative position of "soul":

• Have we ever come across anything that is sustained forever without external inputs/refreshment of energies? Why would "soul" qualify for this treatment when nothing else in the universe works this way?
• What objective evidence (evidence that can be experienced or verified by everyone) do we have that there is any sort of afterlife administration of any kind?
• Do you really feel that human consciousness is important enough to warrant some other, unknowable entity taking its time and care to preserve all forms and instances of that consciousness for all time?
• Why do the camps of thought (various religions/philosophies) differ on what the afterlife consists of if it is so obviously a real thing?
• What factors distinguish any of the various stories of "the afterlife" from fiction?
• If the soul is "you" as you know and love yourself, then it must ,necessarily, come equipped with things like your personality, your memories, intelligence level, likes and dislikes, etc. However, those types of things about you can be lost if you suffer enough physical damage to your brain - which has been evidenced in our lifetimes by people suffering brain damage who are no longer "themselves." To the point that, if the "soul" cannot be altered by physical damage, then the soul is not your personality, memories, likes and dislikes, etc. meaning it is not really the "you" that you care about on this Earth. And if it isn't "you", then why do you care what happens to it? If God loves "you", and you feel that the subject "you" comes prepackaged with those things that make you an individual, then why does even God care about your soul if it isn't "you?"

Too much room for doubt. Not enough evidence. Much more support for the idea that there is nothing beyond death. Really the only thing I can think of that the afterlife has going for it to cast doubt on "no afterlife" is the preponderance of stories told by humans, and NDEs (near death experiences). But BOTH of those are entirely subjective, and NDEs specifically are only ever had when the body/brain is in shut-down/panic mode - which doesn't seem to me like a very trustworthy moment in time to start pointing to as "evidence." And I can point to at least 3 of the things on my list and give reasons as to why they are objective in ideation.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

You are first assuming that "soul" exists with this question. Based on everything we can and have ever witnessed in this universe, there is basically no room for the reality of an item like what is described as the "soul" of a human being. I feel that simple questions put enough shadow of doubt on the "soul" (with this I refer to its meaning by conventional standard) that it does not seem plausible. Anyway, here's my list of questions that cast serious doubt on the affirmative position of "soul":

• Have we ever come across anything that is sustained forever without external inputs/refreshment of energies? Why would "soul" qualify for this treatment when nothing else in the universe works this way?
• What objective evidence (evidence that can be experienced or verified by everyone) do we have that there is any sort of afterlife administration of any kind?
• Do you really feel that human consciousness is important enough to warrant some other, unknowable entity taking its time and care to preserve all forms and instances of that consciousness for all time?
• Why do the camps of thought (various religions/philosophies) differ on what the afterlife consists of if it is so obviously a real thing?
• What factors distinguish any of the various stories of "the afterlife" from fiction?
• If the soul is "you" as you know and love yourself, then it must ,necessarily, come equipped with things like your personality, your memories, intelligence level, likes and dislikes, etc. However, those types of things about you can be lost if you suffer enough physical damage to your brain - which has been evidenced in our lifetimes by people suffering brain damage who are no longer "themselves." To the point that, if the "soul" cannot be altered by physical damage, then the soul is not your personality, memories, likes and dislikes, etc. meaning it is not really the "you" that you care about on this Earth. And if it isn't "you", then why do you care what happens to it? If God loves "you", and you feel that the subject "you" comes prepackaged with those things that make you an individual, then why does even God care about your soul if it isn't "you?"

Too much room for doubt. Not enough evidence. Much more support for the idea that there is nothing beyond death. Really the only thing I can think of that the afterlife has going for it to cast doubt on "no afterlife" is the preponderance of stories told by humans, and NDEs (near death experiences). But BOTH of those are entirely subjective, and NDEs specifically are only ever had when the body/brain is in shut-down/panic mode - which doesn't seem to me like a very trustworthy moment in time to start pointing to as "evidence." And I can point to at least 3 of the things on my list and give reasons as to why they are objective in ideation.

The soul would not exist for eternity ‘in’ this universe.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So you say. At what age did you get this? I have no evidence to believe in such things as a spirit. Never needed to have such beliefs and was never indoctrinated into them - for which I can bless my lovely mother - who would have been regarded as an angel by many. She was all I needed to ensure I grew up to be a reasonably honest and pleasant person - her as role model.

Well you just proved my point again. Yeah you sure are acting like a pleasant person.

Maybe you need to refine what a pleasant person is ?