paarsurrey
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They are welcome to do it.
I don't hate Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics, but they are short-sighted in their vision.
They don't respect humans for being humans, that is one aspect of their being wrong.
Regards
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What has gold to do with religion?!
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I don't hate Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics, but they are short-sighted in their vision.
They don't respect humans for being humans, that is one aspect of their being wrong.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Then you certainly haven't met some of the atheists I've met. I don't view respect for humanity as having much to do with religion at all. My father was an atheist, and he was also a well respected member of the community.
Of course, many of the group you spoke of would say it is you who is the short-sighted one. Me ... no, I try to look at the bigger picture of all sides.
Anybody who is a yogi (see Gita) can know Brahman. Understanding Brahman and its identity with the Self (Atman) is the major topic of the Upanisads. The scripture below should clear all your questions about Brahman and Atman.
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Brihadaryanaka Chapter 4 (Yajnavalkya writes)
Regarding this there are the following verses:-
There is an ancient path
Extremely fine and extending far;
It has touched me, I've discovered it!
By it they ascend to the heavenly world
Released from here,wise men, knowers of Brahman.
In it are the white and the blue, they say,
the orange, green and red,
By Brahman was this path discovered;
By it goes the knowers of brahman,
The doers of good, the men of light.
Into blinding darkness enter those
who worship ignorance;
into a greater darkness than that, as it were, enter
those who are delight in learning alone.
‘Cheerless indeed are those worlds covered with blinding darkness.
To them after death go those people who are ignorant and unwise.’
If a person truly perceives the self.
Knowing, "I am He".
What possibly could he want,
Whom possibly could he love,
That he should worry about the body?
The Self has entered this body, this sense jumble;
If a man finds him,
Recognizes him,
He's the maker of everything- the author of all!
The world is his - he is the world itself!
While we are still here, we have come to know it.
If you've not know it, great is your destruction.
Those who have known it - they become immortal.
As for the rest - only suffering awaits.
When a man clearly see this Self as God,
the Lord of what was
and what will be,
He will not seek to hide from him.
Beneath which the year revolves
together with its days,
That the gods venerate
as the light of lights,
as life immortal.
In which are established
the various groups of five (the senses),
together with Space;
I take that to be the Self-
I who have knowledge,
I who am immortal,
I take that to be-
the Brahman
the Immortal.
The breathing behind the breathing,
The sight behind the sight,
the hearing behind the hearing,
The thinking behind the thinking-
Those who know this perceive Brahman,
the first,
the ancient.
With mind alone must one behold it-
there is nothing diverse at all!
From death to death he goes, who sees here
Any kind of diversity.
As just singular must one behold it-
Immeasurable and immovable.
The Self is spotless and beyond space,
Unborn, immense, immovable.
By knowing that very one a wise Brahmin
should obtain insight for himself.
Let him not ponder over a lot of words;
It just tires the voice!
This immense unborn self is none other than the one consisting of perception here among the vital breath.
There in that space within the heart, he lies- controller of all, lord of all, ruler of all!
He does not become more by good actions or in any way less by bad actions.
He is the lord of all! He is the ruler of all creatures! He is the guardian of all creatures!
He is the dike separating the these worlds to preserve theirdistinctions.
It is he that Brahmins seek to know by reciting the Vedas, sacrifice, gift-giving, austerity and fasting.
It is he, on knowing whom a man becomes a sage.
It is when they desire him as their world that wondering ascetics undertake their asceticism.
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Cool.
But as I told you, Hindus believe that Krishna is God incarnate. This is clearly what Gita claims.
Why is it less holy than collecting figurines, or books, searching for rare plants to put in your garden, adding to a bank savings account, or collecting and amassing anything else. Humans are inherently and innately collectors. We evolved that way to survive.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It shows materialist mentality, not spiritual one and faith in G-d.
It fattens and embellishes the clergy and the priests. Religion is for the masses.
Regards
A couple of times you have equated Brahman with Allah. Are you willing to concede that if Allah is Brahman, you are Allah? A major school of Hinduism, called Advaita meaning "not two", non-dual, says "all this is Brahman": sarvam khalvidam brahma.
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Not so. Spirituality and faith are where and how you see, make and find them. It's not the gold that makes one less spiritual, it's that person who makes himself materialistic and non-spiritual. Gold doesn't make people greedy, greed is within themselves. Some religions are for the masses, not all. Some religions are highly individualistic and personal. I think you are seeing religions and God through a personal and cultural lens that does not reflect the way of things.
And how is constant argument, constant wanting your way to be right, showing a spiritual life? Or faith in God for that matter? How does constant argument uplift people?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
What is bad about it?
I follow righteous path of the founders of all truthful revealed religions. I don't judge others. I follow core teachings of all truthful revealed religions from the root scriptures. Others could differ and disagree with me with reasonable arguments. I don't feel bad about it, they have their own free opinions.
Regards.
Actually you are judging others because they don't fit your idea of truthful religions. Not all religions need to be delivered from a booming voice in the sky to be truthful. That is only your belief.
The constant game of trying to prove your religion is more true than others is tiresome, as is passive-aggressively skirting around outright proselytization for your religion and against others'.
Hinduism has no founder. But I want to explore this judging thing. If you claim to not judge others, then why are you saying the use of gold is so wrong? That doesn't make sense.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Everything. God is the gospel and the highest treasure of heaven.
You forgot to preface your comments with "I believe", or "in my opinion", or some such disclaimer that they are your beliefs and not fact.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I am not against other religions. Please
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I have given reasons. Please
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Why did you mention Brahma, then quote the Quran? They're not the same god.
Further, here you've given an example of Muslim women keeping gold for personal use that you condemn when practised in other religions. Why is keeping gold okay if it's Muslims doing it but not okay when it's Hindus doing it? That's a very self-righteous and hypocritical position to take - especially when you believe they're ultimately worshipping the same god.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
And yet you've deliberately avoided addressing the fact that gold has been used in the construction of mosques - both Ahmadi and non-Ahmadi - while you decry the use of gold in Hindu temple construction as materialistic.
It's rather obvious that you're just using this thread as yet another excuse to rail against other belief systems while you hide behind your false pretences at tolerance and respect for other faiths.
Reasons for proclaiming you're not judging? I don't understand.