What has gold to do with religion?!

[paarsurrey]

Isn't it about gold, Paarsurrey? Or have you changed the OP?

I gave quotes from other religions on gold, meantime significance of gold from Hinduism perspective came into discussion.
Wearing ornaments of gold are only a cultural thing nothing of holiness in it. Agree? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What has gold to do with religion?!

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 9

Better stop short than fill to the brim.
Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt.
Amass a store of gold and jade, and no one can protect it.
Claim wealth and titles, and disaster will follow.
Retire when the work is done.
This is the way of heaven.

http://www.wussu.com/laotzu/laotzu09.html
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[Vinayaka]

G-d created both earth and the moon :

[2:30] He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth; then He turned towards the heavens, and He perfected them as seven heavens; and He knows all things.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=29​

There is no other truthful claimant. Right?
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I don't believe that, because our God is't as creator God.

 

[Vinayaka]

I gave quotes from other religions on gold, meantime significance of gold from Hinduism perspective came into discussion.
Wearing ornaments of gold are only a cultural thing nothing of holiness in it. Agree? Please
Regards

No, I disagree.

 

[paarsurrey]

Brahman is not a person. Brahman cannot speak. Please google it.
Editted ... here it is: the ultimate reality underlying all phenomena.

Does Brahman listen, if he cannot speak? Please
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[Vinayaka]

Does Brahman listen, if he cannot speak? Please
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No. Brahman can't be anthropomorphised.

 

[paarsurrey]

It is a phenomenon which one could understand if one would like to:

[8:18] So you (Muhammad) killed them not, but it was Allah Who killed them. And thou threwest not when thou didst throw, but it was Allah Who threw, that He might overthrow the disbelievers and that He might confer on the believers a great favour from Himself. Surely, Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=8&verse=17​

No compulsion to understand it, one may remain on one's faith, however. Please
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Brahman did say to Muhammad that when Muhammad threw a handful of sand towards the Meccan disbelievers and that blew a wind of high intensity full of sand that almost blinded the Meccas, it was the hand of god that started the wind and the sand.
Neither Muhammad took it that Muhammad had become G-d nor his followers.
The prophets/messengers of G-d become one with him, in attributes that a human can attain from G-d, that don't make one G-d.
Jesus and Krishna also manifested such attributes of Brahman.
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[paarsurrey]

So, as per Vedas , Brahman does not speak, does not listen and does not see. Am I right?
Brahman cannot create anything also and neither can move himself nor can move anything else. Doesn't it make him an inanimate, never knowing of his existence even. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Anybody, please
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[sayak83]

Brahman did say to Muhammad that when Muhammad threw a handful of sand towards the Meccan disbelievers and that blew a wind of high intensity full of sand that almost blinded the Meccas, it was the hand of god that started the wind and the sand.
Neither Muhammad took it that Muhammad had become G-d nor his followers.
The prophets/messengers of G-d become one with him, in attributes that a human can attain from G-d, that don't make one G-d.
Jesus and Krishna also manifested such attributes of Brahman.
Regards

Sorry. Hindus believe that Krishna is an incarnation of God. You are free to disbelieve. Regards
Please

 

[sayak83]

So, as per Vedas , Brahman does not speak, does not listen and does not see. Am I right?
Brahman cannot create anything also and neither can move himself nor can move anything else. Doesn't it make him an inanimate, never knowing of his existence even. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Anybody, please
Regards

Brahman is not seperate from us. Brahman is the self-awareness of all beings, the life of all life, the existence of all existence. Brahman IS existence of all that exists, Brahman IS awareness of all who are aware, Brahman IS the love, bliss and peace of all who are Self-realized. (Sat-Chit-Ananda). Nothing else exists apart from Brahman.

 

[von bek]

I am curious @paarsurrey, I see you frequently use the term "revealed religion". By this term, do you simply mean a religion that has a historical founder? Or, are you saying more?

 

[paarsurrey]

Brahman is not seperate from us. Brahman is the self-awareness of all beings, the life of all life, the existence of all existence. Brahman IS existence of all that exists, Brahman IS awareness of all who are aware, Brahman IS the love, bliss and peace of all who are Self-realized. (Sat-Chit-Ananda). Nothing else exists apart from Brahman.

What is the source of His existence? How did they come to know about Him.
Quran mention His attributes by speaking to Muhammad:

[2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=255

And Brahman did speak to others before Muhammad and after him to people in all ages and all regions of the world. Indeed Brahman is great, whatever name He has in whatever languages in the world. No compulsion however in believing in Him, He loves every people.
Everybody is welcome to agree with me or disagree with me with reasonable or unreasonable argument, both the Believers and the Non-Believers.


Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I am curious @paarsurrey, I see you frequently use the term "revealed religion". By this term, do you simply mean a religion that has a historical founder? Or, are you saying more?

Hi friend von bek !
Historically also, but G-d Brahman Yahweh Ahura Mazda Allah etc has spoken to virtuous people to let know humans about His existence. Humans have not discovered Him, but He himself spoke and that is as to how we know Him.
You are welcome for your input in the thread.

Thanks and regards.

 

[paarsurrey]

What has gold to do with religion?!

[17:94] ‘Or thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’
[17:95] And nothing has prevented men from believing when the guidance came to them save that they said, ‘Has Allah sent a man as a Messenger?’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=17&verse=93
The disbelievers always think in material things but Brahman G-d Allah wants that we concentrate our attention on ethical, moral and spiritual uplift of our self, so that we enjoy more bounties of Him in this world and in the life in hereafter.

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[Vinayaka]

The disbelievers always think in material things but Brahman G-d Allah wants that we concentrate our attention on ethical, moral and spiritual uplift of our self, so that we enjoy more bounties of Him in this world and in the life in hereafter.

Regards

Paarsurrey, did you ever consider that maybe one of those bounties we can enjoy is the beauty of gold? Like the beauty of trees, or a ripe fruit, or a beautiful flower?

 

[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey, did you ever consider that maybe one of those bounties we can enjoy is the beauty of gold? Like the beauty of trees, or a ripe fruit, or a beautiful flower?

The part of it spent on charity and welfare of the human being is OK, but amassing it is a dis-service and not at all holy.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What has gold to do with religion?!

“The scholar does not consider gold and jade to be precious treasures, but loyalty and good faith.”

― Confucius, The Ethics of Confucius

Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

The part of it spent on charity and welfare of the human being is OK, but amassing it is a dis-service and not at all holy.
Regards

We agree to a point. I think some is okay, like some jewellery for example.

 

[paarsurrey]

We agree to a point. I think some is okay, like some jewellery for example.

Yes, if charity is done from it regularly as Brahman has advised:

[23:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[23:2] Surely, success does come to the believers,
[23:3] Who are humble in their Prayers,
[23:4] And who shun all that which is vain,
[23:5] And who are active in paying the Zakat*,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=23&verse=0
*A set ratio of gold and silver of the ornaments being worn by the women of a household is to be spent in charity on yearly basis. It is one of the cardinal pillars of the truthful Dharma/Religion.

Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes, if charity is done from it regularly as Brahman has advised:

Brahman never advises. Even atheists perform lots of charity. Charity comes from within, in my opinion. It comes from a recognition that personal wealth does not lead to happiness, and much more of course.