Are you really asking me why Buddhists would honor the Buddha? I never mentioned anything about what the Buddha asked of His followers.
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What has gold to do with religion?!
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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Are you really asking me why Buddhists would honor the Buddha? I never mentioned anything about what the Buddha asked of His followers.
paarsurrey
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A person would respect most if one follows the Buddha in his character. Gold or stone don't matter in religion. Please
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Gold doesn't matter in religion? That's funny because I distinctly remember you posting a Quran verse that said this:
The Quran itself says gold does matter in religion. It matters in your religion, paarsurrey. Stop griping about other faiths' use of gold when your own holy book advocates it.
Yes, gold does not matter in the Buddhadhamma. Like all things, it is unsatisfactory, impermanent, and not-self. However, we are not talking about gold being necessary for anything, we are talking about why gold gets associated with different religious groups. The Buddha did not command statues to be made of Him, later Buddhists made statues to pay Him honor. This was and is done out of love and devotion to the Buddha and His dhamma. He showed us the way out of suffering, rebirth, and (re)death. Even if we heaped together every material object of worth to fashion the largest statue ever seen, it would still pale in comparison to what the Buddha gave us.
Gold certainly seemed to matter to God when was directing the design of His tabernacle and its contents to the Israelites:
Exodus 35:4-5 - Moses said to the whole Israelite community, “This is what the Lord has commanded: From what you have, take an offering for the Lord. Everyone who is willing is to bring to the Lord an offering of gold, silver and bronze."
Exodus 35:30-33 - Then Moses said to the Israelites, “See, the Lord has chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood and to engage in all kinds of artistic crafts.
Exodus 36:13 - Then they made fifty gold clasps and used them to fasten the two sets of curtains together so that the tabernacle was a unit.
Exodus 37:1-9 - Bezalel made the ark of acacia wood—two and a half cubits long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high. He overlaid it with pure gold, both inside and out, and made a gold molding around it. He cast four gold rings for it and fastened them to its four feet, with two rings on one side and two rings on the other. Then he made poles of acacia wood and overlaid them with gold. And he inserted the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry it. He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. Then he made two out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover. The cherubim had their wings spread upward, the cover with them. The cherubim faced each other, looking toward the cover.
Exodus 39:42-43 - The Israelites had done all the work just as the Lord had commanded Moses. Moses inspected the work and saw that they had done it just as the Lord had commanded. So Moses blessed them.
Exodus 35:4-5 - Moses said to the whole Israelite community, “This is what the Lord has commanded: From what you have, take an offering for the Lord. Everyone who is willing is to bring to the Lord an offering of gold, silver and bronze."
Exodus 35:30-33 - Then Moses said to the Israelites, “See, the Lord has chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood and to engage in all kinds of artistic crafts.
Exodus 36:13 - Then they made fifty gold clasps and used them to fasten the two sets of curtains together so that the tabernacle was a unit.
Exodus 37:1-9 - Bezalel made the ark of acacia wood—two and a half cubits long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high. He overlaid it with pure gold, both inside and out, and made a gold molding around it. He cast four gold rings for it and fastened them to its four feet, with two rings on one side and two rings on the other. Then he made poles of acacia wood and overlaid them with gold. And he inserted the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry it. He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. Then he made two out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover. The cherubim had their wings spread upward, the cover with them. The cherubim faced each other, looking toward the cover.
Exodus 39:42-43 - The Israelites had done all the work just as the Lord had commanded Moses. Moses inspected the work and saw that they had done it just as the Lord had commanded. So Moses blessed them.
Satyamavejayanti
Well-Known Member
Hinduism did not start with Krishna or Bhagvad Gita, this is out of context request.
roger1440
I do stuff
It’s not that God values gold. The point is people value gold. Gold is used as a sort of reciprocation. Since God is highly valued, the materials used to honor God must also be highly valued. If houses of worship were built by children, there is a pretty good chance they would be made of Legos.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please name its founder.
Also please mention who named "Hindu" and "Hinduism"?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Sorry, the topic is "What has gold to do with religion?!" not the groups but the core of religion. The best thing what Buddha gave was his teachings and his character and gold has nothing to do with it. It distracts one's attention from his teachings and his character. Right?
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Satyamavejayanti
Well-Known Member
Another out of Context and out of Topic request.
I gave you a reason why Gold is part of Hinduism, what have you to say to that?
Nefelie
Member
Oh, he is Muslim! OK, now I get it
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Paarsurrey, how come you didn’t comment on Tumah’s photos?
Is it because it’s inconvenient or because he is Jewish…?
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
And they would survive for millennia unscathed.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
Superficially appealing.
Highly malleable.
Often used to influence and control people.
Held in high regard and granted great value by some totally out of proportion to its practical applications.
Used by leaders as a symbol or their power and authority.
Americans think they have more of it than they actually do.
Highly malleable.
Often used to influence and control people.
Held in high regard and granted great value by some totally out of proportion to its practical applications.
Used by leaders as a symbol or their power and authority.
Americans think they have more of it than they actually do.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Hinduism has no founder. The origin of the tern 'Hindu' and 'Hinduism' is still up for debate, but the general consensus at this point in time is that it was coined by outsiders not knowing what else to call it.
I think it would benefit you to take a basic 'world religions' course, as it seems you have many misconceptions all around.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
So, "Hinduism" is a misnomer not a specific religion. It is related to all the religions in the sub-continent .
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I would say it's not so much a misnomer as an 'umbrella term'. Like 'Abrahamism' is an umbrella term for Judaism, Christianity & Islam (these three are grouped together in the Abrahamic Religions DIR) ; or 'Olympianism' is an umbrella term for the polytheisms practised by the Greeks, the Romans and the Etruscans. While Hinduism is an umbrella term for a wide number of belief & practice systems, it itself falls under an umbrella term known as the 'Dharmic Religions'. Ever notice that Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism & Sikhism are all grouped together in the Dharmic DIR?
And yes, it's related to most existing religions on the Indian sub-continent. I hesitate to say all because there'll probably be one someone can bring up as an exception to the rule. There usually is.
Its not founded by any one person. It has grown organically with the peoples and the civilizations. Can be traced back to Indus Valley times as well as to the Indo-European people of Central Asia who later came to Northern India.
Naming was done by the Muslims. Hinduism is all the beliefs people held East of the river Indus before the Muslim conquest of India.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
What has gold to do with religion?!
[17:91] And they say, ‘We will never believe thee until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth;
[17:92] ‘Or thou have a garden of date palms and vines, and cause streams to gush forth in the midst thereof in abundance;
[17:93] ‘Or thou cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as thou hast claimed, or thou bring Allah and the angels before us face to face;
[17:94] ‘Or thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’
[17:95] And nothing has prevented men from believing when the guidance came to them save that they said, ‘Has Allah sent a man as a Messenger?’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=17&verse=93
Gold has nothing to do with religion.
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[17:91] And they say, ‘We will never believe thee until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth;
[17:92] ‘Or thou have a garden of date palms and vines, and cause streams to gush forth in the midst thereof in abundance;
[17:93] ‘Or thou cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as thou hast claimed, or thou bring Allah and the angels before us face to face;
[17:94] ‘Or thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’
[17:95] And nothing has prevented men from believing when the guidance came to them save that they said, ‘Has Allah sent a man as a Messenger?’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=17&verse=93
Gold has nothing to do with religion.
Regards
Your religion, believe what you want.
I really don't care about what your scripture says. Just like we don't care what it says about making and worshiping images of God in the first place.
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