What has Sarah Palin actually done?

[Smoke]

i love it when people talk about "the good old days".

back when there was segregation. an abundance of violent racism. no mixing of the races. an abundance of violent homophobia. no women's lib. a social acceptability of domestic violence. ect

I think a lot of the abstinence-only crowd liked those things.

but hey, at least teenagers (supposedly) didnt have sex!

No, they didn't. They just had a lot of premature babies six months after the wedding.

 

[JMorris]

I think a lot of the abstinence-only crowd liked those things.

i think your probably right about that

No, they didn't. They just had a lot of premature babies six months after the wedding.

twas a magical time, when baby's came to term in only 6 months. twas our immorality that caused the extra 3 months...........

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Hi Dirty,



I understand your point, but their individual actions are informed by something, right? I would say, if it is not the sex education it is the culture at large telling them that promiscuous behavior is okay and here is how you can be 'safe' doing it.

And 25% of teens having an STD is a pretty sorry track record for 'safe' sex education.

No one is telling them it's ok....not even by educating them. This is clearly your opiniion. Again, take a look at the article I linked. Teens and young adults are taught about abstnence and yet the study showed that these same informed and taught young people engaged in oral and anal sex as a means of adhering to their abstinence pledge. Additionally, it was said that those that chose the abstinence rout had sex before marriage. So your argument for abstinence is in no better position. Teens and young adults engage in sex for various reasons and it's not because we teach them how to be safe about it.

 

[MountainHumanist]

What has Sarah Palin done? She has lowered the professional and intellectual standards that used to be thought necessary in order to run for such a high office.

 

[Smoke]

What has Sarah Palin done? She has lowered the professional and intellectual standards that used to be thought necessary in order to run for such a high office.

Have you forgotten about GW Bush already?

 

[JMorris]

Have you forgotten about GW Bush already?

im fairly sure she lowered it even further

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Sunstone,

Fascinating. What is sacrifice and not always thinking about yourself called when it results in support for government social programs?

You mean the social programs that fail millions of poor people everyday. Yeah, they're doing great.

Google the subject, Joe. Look at the research. No one is stopping you from becoming informed.

Are you denying the study I posted that shows 25% of teens have an STD?

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi mball,

Look what happens when we teach them abstinence.

Who is teaching them abstinence? I would like to know if the 25% of teens that have an STD were taught abstinence.

That may be true. However, I have yet to see anything that points to it being true. They didn't have AIDS 50 years ago, for one thing. Plus, again, you still have to show that they had sex less back then.

All I am saying is that 25% of teens have an STD. I don't think the rate was that high years ago. I wouldn't call 25% of teens with an STD progress.

No, I just want you to answer the question:

Why is having sex with only one person your whole life better than having sex with several people?

IAV| Why Marriage Matters, 2nd Ed.

This little pamphlet shows the better social outcomes that the institution of marriage produces. This is based on social science and not some faith beliefs.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi JMorris,

i love it when people talk about "the good old days".

back when there was segregation. an abundance of violent racism. no mixing of the races. an abundance of violent homophobia. no women's lib. a social acceptability of domestic violence. ect

but hey, at least teenagers (supposedly) didnt have sex!

Is this supposed to be an intellectual point? We are talking about a specific issue. You can join us anytime if you would like. Silly, nonsensical clichés like that you can leave at the door.

 

[Sunstone]

Are you denying the study I posted that shows 25% of teens have an STD?

What percent of teens who have STDs were betrayed by abstinence only sex ed? And what percent of teens who have STDs had the advantage of comprehensive sex ed? Google it, Joe.

I'm not going to explain to you why it is meaningless to assert that because 25% of teens have an STD, comprehensive sex ed is not working. Even a conservative should be bright enough to figure that out --- unless your name is Bush or Cheney.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Sunstone,

What percent of teens who have STDs were betrayed by abstinence only sex ed? And what percent of teens who have STDs had the advantage of comprehensive sex ed? Google it, Joe.

I'm not going to explain to you why it is meaningless to assert that because 25% of teens have an STD, comprehensive sex ed is not working. Even a conservative should be bright enough to figure that out --- unless your name is Bush or Cheney.

If it is so easy to prove then post the link. It would take 5 seconds. If you can prove that the 25% of the teens with an STD were told 'sex is bad' education then you'll have a point.

 

[Sunstone]

Hi Sunstone,



If it is so easy to prove then post the link. It would take 5 seconds. If you can prove that the 25% of the teens with an STD were told 'sex is bad' education then you'll have a point.

Can't you use google? You aren't worth it for me to do your work for you.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Abstinence Education: Aka Propaganda

And I can attest to what is in the article as I went through Catholic school for 14 years (12 years + 2 preschool).

I was taught in my Catholic sex ed classes that pregnancy can happen with oral sex (as in like...bear with me as this is quite the super-sperm one would require for this to even be possible...a woman performs oral sex on a man, sperm is in her mouth, they kiss, he performs cunnilingus, transferring the sperm to her vagina.....therefore pregnancy....)

What other gems....

Abortion leads to sterility and suicide (as it mentions in the article). I also got those. It didn't get as far as teaching that touching a person's genitals causes pregnancy...but it came pretty close. The 43-day old fetus is a "thinking person"...got that one too. Oh and the HIV can be spread through just about any medium, including solid lead bricks (kidding.......or am I?).

It generally involved lie after lie after lie. And there's only so much BS you can debunk in a classroom that the teacher is spouting before you look like a *****-disturber.

Abstinence-Only Sex Education Statistics – Final Nail in the Coffin — Open Education

There's another.

Pay attention to this paragraph, Joe Stocks.

Therefore, those youngsters who took the virginity pledge were not only just as likely to have intercourse, they ultimately were more likely to take part in sex in an unsafe manner. This has led experts to conclude that the lessons students take from their abstinence-only education programs is a negative and/or faulty view of contraception.

 

[Magic Man]

Hi mball,

Who is teaching them abstinence? I would like to know if the 25% of teens that have an STD were taught abstinence.

Look it up. Several states teach abstinence. I thought you already knew everything about the topic. It would help if you'd do the slightest bit of research first. As I said, teens who are taught abstinence are just as likely to have sex as teens who aren't. The difference is that the teens taught abstinence are more likely not to use protection, meaning they're more likely to contract an STD. So, I'm guessing a portion of that 25% were taught abstinence only.

All I am saying is that 25% of teens have an STD. I don't think the rate was that high years ago. I wouldn't call 25% of teens with an STD progress.

Oh, now I see what you're saying. What you're saying is that you read one stat and think that means something and when you're challenged on it, you don't actually want to think or talk about it, you just want to throw it out there and make wild accusations and conclusions and not have to defend yourself. Got it. Well, when you're ready for a real conversation on the subject, I'll be here.

IAV| Why Marriage Matters, 2nd Ed.

This little pamphlet shows the better social outcomes that the institution of marriage produces. This is based on social science and not some faith beliefs.

I'm not sure why this is so hard, and I'm not sure how much simpler I can say it, so I'll just repeat it:

Why is having sex with only one person your whole life better than having sex with several people?

Notice there's nothing about marriage there. Forget about marriage. Just answer this question (repeated again for emphasis):

Why is having sex with only one person your whole life better than having sex with several people?

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Sarah Palin like Dog the Bounty Hunter are figments of the media and need to be put in their respective places.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Sarah Palin like Dog the Bounty Hunter are figments of the media and need to be put in their respective places.

But Dog the Bounty Hunter is awesome!

 

[Jeremy Mason]

But Dog the Bounty Hunter is awesome!

Yes, at least he has a respectful following.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Sarah Palin like Dog the Bounty Hunter are figments of the media and need to be put in their respective places.

Dog would make a much better President...

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Contentius,

Therefore, those youngsters who took the virginity pledge were not only just as likely to have intercourse, they ultimately were more likely to take part in sex in an unsafe manner. This has led experts to conclude that the lessons students take from their abstinence-only education programs is a negative and/or faulty view of contraception.

The next step is to show how many of the 25% teens with an STD were abstinence-only education. And a rather simple question to pose is how many teens would have an STD if they abstained from sexual activity.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi mball,

The difference is that the teens taught abstinence are more likely not to use protection, meaning they're more likely to contract an STD. So, I'm guessing a portion of that 25% were taught abstinence only.

It looks like we are both guessing here. But it seems to be an important question.

Oh, now I see what you're saying. What you're saying is that you read one stat and think that means something and when you're challenged on it, you don't actually want to think or talk about it, you just want to throw it out there and make wild accusations and conclusions and not have to defend yourself. Got it. Well, when you're ready for a real conversation on the subject, I'll be here.

What are you talking about? I point to a fact (25% of teens with an STD) and it seems that this is not what it was like before 'safe sex' education. No one here has adequately explained this. Contentius has come close.

I'm not sure why this is so hard, and I'm not sure how much simpler I can say it, so I'll just repeat it:

Why is having sex with only one person your whole life better than having sex with several people?

Notice there's nothing about marriage there. Forget about marriage. Just answer this question (repeated again for emphasis):

Why is having sex with only one person your whole life better than having sex with several people?

This is a nice evasion. The social science on clear on mongoamy (in the context of marriage). It is better for the people involved and children than a promiscuous lifestyle.