What I see as irresistable about Islam

[sandandfoam]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

 

[no-body]

Yes when I first read the Koran I felt beauty there certainly. The adoration of the one life is a noble prospect no matter what you call yourself.

Unfortunately the hadiths are the stupidest thing I've ever heard of "we're going to follow all these rules because they sound like something the prophet would say"

Sufism for the win.

 

[Chisti]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

One q, if I may. What does submission mean to you, Stephen?

 

[sandandfoam]

One q, if I may. What does submission mean to you, Stephen?

I think submission means surrender to God. I don't think that this surrender is like a light switch - not submitted/submitted, I think it is a process. I believe at my core I know God and the surrender is a cessation of swimming against the tide and a turn towards God. It is embracing the wonderment of a wild Ocean and a moonlit sky, it is following the heart.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

To me, submission is breathing in the feeling of this moment. What could one possibly need outside of what one already has?

 

[Peace]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

:clap Very well said Stephen

 

[Gaura Priya]

Very beautiful! I find that in the religion of Submission unto God, miracles are not found in miraculous extranatural occurrences, but as the Qur'an tells, miracles are found in nature and in ourselves. The secrets of everything and the beauty of God's creation are found in all of creation, as a sign and testimony of God Himself.


"And in the earth are portents for those whose faith is sure.
And also in yourselves. Can ye then not see?"

-- Qur'an, adh-Dhariyat (The Scatterers) 51:20-21


I prefer the Qur'an Alone movement... Go ijtihad!

 

[Madhuri]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

The path of Bhakti is similar- but instead of the word 'submission' we use the term 'surrender'.

What is the meaning of the second verse when it says 'are signs of those of understanding'?

 

[Starsoul]

I think submission means surrender to God. I don't think that this surrender is like a light switch - not submitted/submitted, I think it is a process. I believe at my core I know God and the surrender is a cessation of swimming against the tide and a turn towards God. It is embracing the wonderment of a wild Ocean and a moonlit sky, it is following the heart.

SubhanAllah brother stephen, you just got it sooo right, so well said MashAllah, so well put!

 

[sandandfoam]

The path of Bhakti is similar- but instead of the word 'submission' we use the term 'surrender'.

What is the meaning of the second verse when it says 'are signs of those of understanding'?

Hi Madhuri,

It says "for those of understanding" rather than "of those of understanding" - is that clearer?

 

[Madhuri]

Hi Madhuri,

It says "for those of understanding" rather than "of those of understanding" - is that clearer?

Ooops, silly me!

 

[sandandfoam]

Ooops, silly me!

LOL - welcome to my world!

 

[K.Venugopal]

What could one possibly need outside of what one already has?

Yes. Nevertheless, may I reword it as, "What could one possibly need outside of what one already is?"

 

[samar hussain]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

u hav shared really good point i like it

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

Tried to frubal you but I can't. Meh.

 

[K.Venugopal]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"

I think there is a timeless art of awakening by various means and Islam is a particular means that was brought into the world by Mohammad.

Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

The Quran sees the heaven and earth etc, posits that there is a creator and declares the creator to be a certain Allah. But man has always seen heaven and earth and so many other things and have posited so many theories – not all about there being a creator.

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

There is no doubt that between your quotes you see a beauty in Islam. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and while the beholder may want to share the beauty he sees, he must accept that beauty does not lie only on that which he beholds.

 

[sandandfoam]

There is no doubt that between your quotes you see a beauty in Islam. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and while the beholder may want to share the beauty he sees, he must accept that beauty does not lie only on that which he beholds.

I have no problem at all accepting that. My problems lie with subjective claims to objectivity. Be them from religious/secular/theist/atheist or whoever.

 

[K.Venugopal]

I have no problem at all accepting that. My problems lie with subjective claims to objectivity. Be them from religious/secular/theist/atheist or whoever.

One person learns about Allah through one scripture and another person learns about, say, Krishna through a different scripture. Both persons may experience the truth they learn. The question is, are the experiences of both persons different? Is it not just like satisfying hunger? Two persons may eat different types of food, but is not the satisfaction of hunger the same? So, though the objects which give us divine experience or satisfies our hunger may seem different, they are not, to the extent they reach us to our goal.

 

[sandandfoam]

One person learns about Allah through one scripture and another person learns about, say, Krishna through a different scripture. Both persons may experience the truth they learn. The question is, are the experiences of both persons different? Is it not just like satisfying hunger? Two persons may eat different types of food, but is not the satisfaction of hunger the same? So, though the objects which give us divine experience or satisfies our hunger may seem different, they are not, to the extent they reach us to our goal.

Yes I imagine it is so.
I think that all a person can do is to try and come to terms with the wonder of being. Peace. My attempt to do so has brought me here. I find Islam irresistable, it sates my hunger and calms me.
I have no doubt but that others find their fill elsewhere and who am I to knock it? I am happy for anyone who can find a measure of peace. On my reading that is the message of Islam. I know there are others who would disagree - but when we find something from nationality to religion to a football club to follow we must internalise it and it becomes a part of us. This is what Islam means to me, peace tolerance and reconciliation with being.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I read this ages ago and it really stuck in my mind "Islam is not a historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission"
and in the Quran (3 190) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding."

Between these two quotes is an intoxicating mix that makes me breathe easily and step lightly. There is a beauty in Islam that is almost blinding to me. I know the beauty is not seen by everyone, but anyway, I thought I'd share.

Well tell me where the first quote came from and I can give you my opinion of the thread.

Hands down, the first quote is more beautiful than the second quote. Now if they both came from the Quran, it would be more beautiful.